Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[NjDevsRR]

Its a great place but it isnt as good as other cities in the league. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Toronto, Montreal, St Louis, Minnesota and Tampa Bay are all much better. I cant really say for other cities because I haven't been there.

I said NJ in my post you replied to, New Jersey is a state and a wonderful state it is.

Also to the guy who mentioned Newark, they play in the safe nice area, but who the hell cares, the players don't live there. Most of the players live in Hoboken which is a really realy nice city.

Also NJ has the ocean, mountains in the winter, close to Philly and NYC, has the least amount of travel, any kind of world class cuisine you can imagine due to the diversity and like I said before has everything you can ask for in a state. It's hilarious how many people are uneducated and ignorant about this state since the only part they see is the area near Philly and NYC. Educate yourselves.. :

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexnaidus...armpit-of-am?utm_term=.vnLwWVrq5G#.xskYJ4XNEo

https://www.thecrazytourist.com/15-most-beautiful-places-to-visit-in-new-jersey/

 

[NjDevsRR]

Sounds like Buffalo, except for the expensive part.

Not really in terms of icome tax, NJ and NY rates are pretty close.

 

[Dogewow]

If I were him there'd be no doubt in my mind that I'd go to Chicago over Toronto or Buffalo. Why would he sign with a team who's rebuilding? Makes no sense to me. Unless he really really likes the city and makeup of the team. We all know money talks and 99% of players chase it. Chicago gives him the best shot at putting up big numbers which obviously leads to the big payday. Leafs fans, or Sabres fans for that matter, shouldn't expect him to sign with either club in all honesty.

As a Sabres fan, I'd love to see Vesey sign with us, but this is the truth right here.

Almost every year we see talk and speculation that the family/hometown connection will drive a player to a certain destination, and every year we see it not being the case. It does happen occasionally (Wild), but a lot of the time there are more important factors that motivate a players decision. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him sign with proven teams like Chicago or Pittsburgh, especially considering every team offers him the same contract.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Would be neat if the Devils can land Vesey. If he is the real deal then the Devils all of a sudden have a strong top 6.

Hall Henrique Cammalleri
Vesey Zajac Palmieri

 

[Man Bear Pig]

As a Sabres fan, I'd love to see Vesey sign with us, but this is the truth right here.

Almost every year we see talk and speculation that the family/hometown connection will drive a player to a certain destination, and every year we see it not being the case. It does happen occasionally (Wild), but a lot of the time there are more important factors that motivate a players decision. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him sign with proven teams like Chicago or Pittsburgh, especially considering every team offers him the same contract.

The exact same contract, which is the problem for teams without any recent success/rebuilding clubs. If you're the Leafs or Sabres you're selling hard on playing with two kids in Matthews and Eichel. Two players with about as short of a track record you can find professionally. That vs playing alongside this past seasons point leader and hart winner in Kane, one of the best centers in Toews, or two centers in Pittsburgh who are both capable of winning the Hart in any given year. Oh, and the cups of course. If I'm Vesey there's no chance I sign in Buffalo,Toronto,Boston etc. No chance at all.

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

The exact same contract, which is the problem for teams without any recent success/rebuilding clubs. If you're the Leafs or Sabres you're selling hard on playing with two kids in Matthews and Eichel. Two players with about as short of a track record you can find professionally. That vs playing alongside this past seasons point leader and hart winner in Kane, one of the best centers in Toews, or two centers in Pittsburgh who are both capable of winning the Hart in any given year. Oh, and the cups of course. If I'm Vesey there's no chance I sign in Buffalo,Toronto,Boston etc. No chance at all.

Well, he already passed up the chance to play on Nashville's top line with with a pretty good centre in Johansen (Poile said he would put them together), while on a cup contender for Nashville, AND he'd burn a year off his ELC. Plus, he spent so much time and went through so much bashing just so he could become an UFA and choose his team, with Chicago's bad cap situation there's a very real chance he could find himself traded to a team out of his control once his ELC ends in 2 years, a la Saad.

 

[BBKers]

Hawks or Rangers?
Rangers saving space for him all along and then one more big trade.
Hawks lack space.
Math wins

 

[H a w k s*]

If this kid signs with the Hawks he's gonna suck. If he signs with someone else he's gonna be a franchise player either I can't lose the Hawks need to fire bowman

 

[Phenomenon13]

If I were him there'd be no doubt in my mind that I'd go to Chicago over Toronto or Buffalo. Why would he sign with a team who's rebuilding? Makes no sense to me. Unless he really really likes the city and makeup of the team. We all know money talks and 99% of players chase it. Chicago gives him the best shot at putting up big numbers which obviously leads to the big payday. Leafs fans, or Sabres fans for that matter, shouldn't expect him to sign with either club in all honesty.

Chicago also has the highest odds of moving him as a cap casualty. He will not be getting the payday from the city he likes. Furthermore rebuilding teams offer better opportunity to play a larger role hence more points.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Hawks or Rangers?
Rangers saving space for him all along and then one more big trade.
Hawks lack space.
Math wins

There was a third team, and Ray Shero was scouting him yesterday, but yes lets ignore that team.

 

[Dogewow]

Well, he already passed up the chance to play on Nashville's top line with with a pretty good centre in Johansen (Poile said he would put them together), while on a cup contender for Nashville, AND he'd burn a year off his ELC. Plus, he spent so much time and went through so much bashing just so he could become an UFA and choose his team, with Chicago's bad cap situation there's a very real chance he could find himself traded to a team out of his control once his ELC ends in 2 years, a la Saad.

I don't know that I'd call them a cup contender. A playoff team for sure, but it'd be a tough sell to say that Nashville is in the same category of Chicago and Pittsburgh.

Also, Johansen isn't on the level of Toews, Crosby, Malkin and all the other talented players that these other teams are offering.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I still think Vesey will sign with his home town Bruins regardless what the rumor mill is spitting out lately. But let's look at where Vesey would fit into the top-6 with the teams of the latest rumor.

NJ:
Taylor Hall - Adam Henrique - Beau Bennett
Jimmy Vesey - Travis Zajak - Kyle Palmieri

NYR:
Chris Kreider - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Jimmy Vesey - Mika Zibanejad - Mats Zuccarello

Chi:
Jimmy Vesey - Jonathan Toews - Patrick Kane
Artemi Panarin - Artem Anisimov - Nick Schmaltz


Which gives him the best chance for big stats?

I gotta say, Vesey would not surpass Miller on the NY roster.

 

[Heraldic]

The problem with Chicago is that you might very well end up being like Saad - after asking for long term big payday in Chicago, you might find yourself in Arizona, Carolina etc. asking that. I doubt many players want to see that happening to them.

And with all due respect, Devils must be a joke here, right?

Their two offensively most talented players happen to play the exact same position Vesey himself plays... Meaning biggest competition and weak line mates. Two best centers are not exactly offensive powerhouses. Palmieri the only RW who has a real offensive touch, but who has so far showed it only once.

And about Devils "trending up in the East"... Sure, but compared to Toronto and Buffalo?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The problem with Chicago is that you might very well end up being like Saad - after asking for long term big payday in Chicago, you might find yourself in Arizona, Carolina etc. asking that. I doubt many players want to see that happening to them.

And with all due respect, Devils must be a joke here, right?

Their two offensively most talented players happen to play the exact same position Vesey himself plays... Meaning biggest competition and weak line mates. Two best centers are not exactly offensive powerhouses.

And about Devils "trending up in the East"... Sure, but compared to Toronto and Buffalo?

But if he goes to Chicago he probably gets a cup before his ELC is up

 

[Heraldic]

But if he goes to Chicago he probably gets a cup before his ELC is up

Counting on any team "probably" winning a cup in two next years is stupid at best. Chicago sure is one of those teams with the best odds, but even their odds are not that great.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I remember him at WHC 2015 as 22 yo. I mean, he was nothing... well, perhaps a little bit better, than nothing, but not much. Has he improved that much, that so many teams want him?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Counting on any team "probably" winning a cup in two next years is stupid at best. Chicago sure is one of those teams with the best odds, but even their odds are not that great.

I like the chances of a team with Towes Kane Keith Seabrook, Hossa Panarin Campbell and Crawford

 

[Heraldic]

I like the chances of a team with Towes Kane Keith Seabrook, Hossa Panarin Campbell and Crawford

Yeah, and I like the chances of a team which has actual depth after their top-6 instead of just sparepart plugs.

 

[ijuka]

I like the chances of a team with Towes Kane Keith Seabrook, Hossa Panarin Campbell and Crawford

Last season they were out when? And this season they are strictly worse.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Last season they were out when? And this season they are strictly worse.

Last season they needed another D man had they got another top D man they would have won but they Couldn't get him. They addressed that when they signed Campbell he's old but still a top 4 guy.

 

[Eric Sachs]

Its a great place but it isnt as good as other cities in the league. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Toronto, Montreal, St Louis, Minnesota and Tampa Bay are all much better. I cant really say for other cities because I haven't been there.

NJ isn't a city so I'm fairly confused here.

You do also realize that NYC is about 10-15 miles from Newark. If someone wants to live in NYC that badly, they easily can.

Depends where you live in NJ. You ain't foolin anyone if you're starting up with "Newark is better than Tampa"

I always forget that NHL rule requiring that players on a team live in the city they play.

Most of the young single players live in Hoboken.. Henrique for example. It's a pretty nice area and a stone's throw from both NYC and Newark. NJ also has some of the most upscale family neighborhoods in the country in Alpine and New Vernon.

 

[Irishguy42]

I gotta say, Vesey would not surpass Miller on the NY roster.

If Vesey comes to NY, I have a feeling Nash is seeing the door out.

But otherwise, I agree. Vesey doesn't take up Millers spot off the bat.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

If Vesey would want a cup within his ELC, Pittsburgh would be the strongest bet. We could probably re-sign him too. Although the speculation about us has sadly kinda faded out.

 

[dashripdot]

If Vesey comes to NY, I have a feeling Nash is seeing the door out.

But otherwise, I agree. Vesey doesn't take up Millers spot off the bat.

If he chooses NYR, he'll start out no higher than the 3rd line. Nash isn't going anywhere just because Vesey signs. It would take an offer of a reasonable return, which Gorton hasn't received yet, to deal Nash.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

New article. Apparently a well informed scout says it's between BOS, CHI and NYR.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...and_harvard_star_is_narrowing_list_for_monday

“We’ve looked at depth charts with some teams and talked about them. . . . “There’s obviously a lot of thought that goes into it: The city, the coach, the GM, the salary structure, how a team treats their players in the second and third contracts down the road.”

That last sentence can be worrisome for Chicago.