Dreger: Buchnevich is likely to be traded

[ToniJ1960]

I've seen the Rangers referred to as "The Rags" in various media since the 1990s. It's easier to say than "Rangs" and makes sense so it's become an accepted abbreviation. If you are talking to anyone interested in hockey and say "The Rags" they know you are talking about NYR.

Trying to read something pejorative into it says more about the poster(s) than the term, IMO.

Edit: For myself, I just call them NYR in typing because it's less letters.

Im not a Rangers fan or hater I just want to say it sounds bad to me like when someone calls The Blues The Bloosers. Its not the same but you wont hear or see me do it,

 

[Robtom18]

Ok can we get back to buchy booo.

 

[BlueSeal]

Im not a Rangers fan or hater I just want to say it sounds bad to me like when someone calls The Blues The Bloosers. Its not the same but you wont hear or see me do it.

 

[Anthony5967]

2024 1st + 2025 1st + Brennan Othmann

 

[BlueDream]

2024 1st + 2025 1st + Brennan Othmann

This is a really solid offer, I like it.

Question though, do you think Drury would actually go hard after Buch? It’s just a weird situation because for how little he gave Buch away for, it would make him look even worse if he turned around and traded a haul to bring him back. Maybe I’m looking into it too much, but because of that, I feel like Drury will go after other players instead.

 

[Detroit Knights]

hi andy! got any more "stricknasty guarantees" such as "matt tkachuk will sign in stl"?

but for real yours can't be a real post. he is a king clown when it comes to blues predictions

go ahead and keep reading the rest of the replies from this, it'll all become clear.

 

[Anthony5967]

This is a really solid offer, I like it.

Question though, do you think Drury would actually go hard after Buch? It’s just a weird situation because for how little he gave Buch away for, it would make him look even worse if he turned around and traded a haul to bring him back. Maybe I’m looking into it too much, but because of that, I feel like Drury will go after other players instead.

I think that's a fear most NYR fans have right now. They think Drury will let his ego get in the way of winning a Cup. I don't see it. If NYR do not get him, I doubt it would be because he can't face the music of reacquiring him. The trade didn't work out, but Blais was solid before he blew his knee out. I would never let a trade from three years ago, when I am chasing a Cup, be the reason I don't want a certain player.

 

[biturbo19]

Willinder + would be ask

I mean, it's fair for that to be the ask, but if it is, Canucks can't afford to be in on that. If the ask is more in the Hague/Korczak realm as that post suggested from Vegas, then it becomes a conversation.

But Willander is functionally "untouchable" for Vancouver. Probably the only futures piece that is.

 

[biturbo19]

Detroit is trading youth for a 29 year old? That literally makes no sense at all for a team trying to build a younger core.

Like i said, i don't really think Detroit would go there. Just working through the playoff teams to figure out who even really has the "pieces" to make a deal like this. Detroit happens to be one of the few that does. But given where their team is at in their process...i'd agree, i don't really see them getting involved at those sort of prices. Not for a Winger that they don't really need.

 

[PettersonHughes]

I mean, it's fair for that to be the ask, but if it is, Canucks can't afford to be in on that. If the ask is more in the Hague/Korczak realm as that post suggested from Vegas, then it becomes a conversation.

But Willander is functionally "untouchable" for Vancouver. Probably the only futures piece that is.

Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-Petey IMO. We already sold Hunter, and top-notch ELCs are worth their weight in gold. If we were to trade for BUchnevich I'd rather a young forward like Hoglander go back if Podkolzin or another young forward has proven that they're ready to be the next man up, since they would cost less but would themselves be ready to step up.

What do the Blues need? I'd hope we can do Hoglander + Mikheyev (to make the cap work) and 1st as a foundation, since there were comparables to Lindholm, but I think Vancouver's really at a point where, having spent to get Lindholm, they need to be smart about what other futures they trade. He would be a great skilled winger to add, since Vancouver could really use 1-2 more.

 

[57special]

Blues are in the playoffs as of now, and have a good chance of staying there. Seems crazy to make this move. There are no super teams in the West, IMO, and Blues should know better than most how a team can come from out of nowhere to playoff success.

 

[Anthony5967]

Blues are in the playoffs as of now, and have a good chance of staying there. Seems crazy to make this move. There are no super teams in the West, IMO, and Blues should know better than most how a team can come from out of nowhere to playoff success.

Where is there a Pietrangelo on STL this time around? They don't have that stud #1 on the blueline anymore. Also, aren't they mostly a one line team? When Buch is 30, would you re-sign him for 7-8 years at close to $8M? These are things you have to think about. If a GM came up to Army with multiple firsts and a prospect like Othmann, would you take it? He would have to consider it. That's three firsts.

 

[biturbo19]

Both have showed pretty well at the NHL level. If I were calling shots and Vancouver was asking it would have to start with Willander and I’m not sure I’d veer off of that. That being said I wouldn’t expect as much else to be added on to a package. Would probably shoot for Willander a 1st and whatever. So is needed to facilitate the deal.

Buch does have a 12 team NTC though. Would hope that the success of Vancouver would facilitate it. But most guys do not want to be moved to Canada.

Yeah. It's fair enough to ask for Willander for Buchnevich, but i think that just completely ends the discussion. Willander is probably the only truly "untouchable" futures piece in the Canucks organization. So it's a real non-starter.

I find it kind of funny that you're viewing guys like Hague and Korczak as options that could get things moving, but would hold firm on Willander or bust from the Canucks. I think he's several cuts above in terms of caliber of prospect. But if that's the dealbreaker, then so be it. I wouldn't really expect Vancouver to be in on what Buchnevich would cost...i just thought that if guys like Hague/Korczak can get things moving...maybe it's not completely impossible to at least poke around for the Canucks. Though realistically, the Lindholm trade package was probably what it would've taken for Buchnevich...and they already traded that for Lindholm.

 

[DJB]

Why the rush? Blues are in a playoff spot and Buchnevich has an extra year on his contract.

Selling him at peak value knowing they don’t likely sign him next year .

 

[Synergy27]

2024 1st + 2025 1st + Brennan Othmann

If the Rangers give up a haul like that to reacquire a piece that they deemed not part of their core and sold for $0.50 on the dollar, the pitchforks will be out for Drury. I wouldn’t want to be hanging out in his pizza shop when the Molotov cocktails start raining in.

 

[biturbo19]

Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-Petey IMO. We already sold Hunter, and top-notch ELCs are worth their weight in gold. If we were to trade for BUchnevich I'd rather a young forward like Hoglander go back if Podkolzin or another young forward has proven that they're ready to be the next man up, since they would cost less but would themselves be ready to step up.

What do the Blues need? I'd hope we can do Hoglander + Mikheyev (to make the cap work) and 1st as a foundation, since there were comparables to Lindholm, but I think Vancouver's really at a point where, having spent to get Lindholm, they need to be smart about what other futures they trade. He would be a great skilled winger to add, since Vancouver could really use 1-2 more.

I don't really think Lekkerimaki would be an "untouchable" for me. But i've never really cared for the guy, so that probably influences things. No idea how high Ruthervin are on him. D-Petey wouldn't be either, though i think realistically, he's probably worth a lot more the Vancouver than he is to anybody else, so it'd be hard to throw him into a trade that actually makes sense.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Selling him at peak value knowing they don’t likely sign him next year .

I get it from an asset management perspective, but the Blues are in the 2nd wildcard spot in the West with teams nipping at their heels.

Trading Buchnevich for futures could easily make them miss the playoffs, which would suck.

 

[BlueSeal]

Army has done black magic before, if this happens, I expect nothing less.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I get it from an asset management perspective, but the Blues are in the 2nd wildcard spot in the West with teams nipping at their heels.

Trading Buchnevich for futures could easily make them miss the playoffs, which would suck.

If Armstrong thinks trading Buch will give the Blues a better future he will do it. Just like when he traded Shattenkirk and Stastny.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

If Armstrong thinks trading Buch will give the Blues a better future he will do it. Just like when he traded Shattenkirk and Stastny.

Can't he at least wait until the offseason, and not potentially sabotage St Louis' playoff chances?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Can't he at least wait until the offseason, and not potentially sabotage St Louis' playoff chances?

Blues would get more value if he traded Buch now than what they would get if they traded him in the offseason or next year.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Vegas: Guentzel @ 50%

Pens: Buchnevich

Blues: Edstrom + Vegas 2024 1st



Guentzel better than Buch but if he’s on his way out then Buch is a nice replacement for this year and next while the Pens try to remain “competitive”

Vegas gets the best player for cheap

Blues get a first and the knights best prospect

 

[RedHawkDown]

Army has done black magic before, if this happens, I expect nothing less.

Better hope he doesn’t trade with Yzerman though

 

[BleedBlue14]

Yeah. It's fair enough to ask for Willander for Buchnevich, but i think that just completely ends the discussion. Willander is probably the only truly "untouchable" futures piece in the Canucks organization. So it's a real non-starter.

I find it kind of funny that you're viewing guys like Hague and Korczak as options that could get things moving, but would hold firm on Willander or bust from the Canucks. I think he's several cuts above in terms of caliber of prospect. But if that's the dealbreaker, then so be it. I wouldn't really expect Vancouver to be in on what Buchnevich would cost...i just thought that if guys like Hague/Korczak can get things moving...maybe it's not completely impossible to at least poke around for the Canucks. Though realistically, the Lindholm trade package was probably what it would've taken for Buchnevich...and they already traded that for Lindholm.

Well in terms of Hague/Korczak it’s guys who have proven to be able to play well at the NHL level that are young. I wouldn’t view those as as big of a portion of the deal as a Willander. But it’s something of interest that could help.

Could the defensive Pettersson be better than them? Sure but the bust factor on him is still very real (in terms of not adjusting at the NHL level). I would still probably want a 1st+2nd+ very good prospect with one of those two named defenseman. But I said if they’d include them because it’s hard to see them moving depth on the defense to add up front as it would open another hole.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-Petey IMO. We already sold Hunter, and top-notch ELCs are worth their weight in gold. If we were to trade for BUchnevich I'd rather a young forward like Hoglander go back if Podkolzin or another young forward has proven that they're ready to be the next man up, since they would cost less but would themselves be ready to step up.

What do the Blues need? I'd hope we can do Hoglander + Mikheyev (to make the cap work) and 1st as a foundation, since there were comparables to Lindholm, but I think Vancouver's really at a point where, having spent to get Lindholm, they need to be smart about what other futures they trade. He would be a great skilled winger to add, since Vancouver could really use 1-2 more.

Not even close. If that is best offer he won’t be dealt.

Yeah. It's fair enough to ask for Willander for Buchnevich, but i think that just completely ends the discussion. Willander is probably the only truly "untouchable" futures piece in the Canucks organization. So it's a real non-starter.

I find it kind of funny that you're viewing guys like Hague and Korczak as options that could get things moving, but would hold firm on Willander or bust from the Canucks. I think he's several cuts above in terms of caliber of prospect. But if that's the dealbreaker, then so be it. I wouldn't really expect Vancouver to be in on what Buchnevich would cost...i just thought that if guys like Hague/Korczak can get things moving...maybe it's not completely impossible to at least poke around for the Canucks. Though realistically, the Lindholm trade package was probably what it would've taken for Buchnevich...and they already traded that for Lindholm.

Those Vegas guys are bit pieces. Would think edstrom and 1st also.