Confirmed with Link: Buch traded to STL for Blais + 2nd (2022)

[Machinehead]

I don't think Zibanejad is going anywhere. I've never heard of that guy.

 

[tlk]

I don't think Zibanejad is going anywhere. I've never heard of that guy.

4 clicks and just the extension probably anyway (if anything at all)

 

[RangerBoy]

After the Rangers chose Othmann they brought it back to the studio and discussed the pick. Gorts threw in something to the effect of “I heard something about them wanting to get tougher in New York”.

Nothing crazy but it brought up an “ohhhh” response from the rest of the panel.

Sensed a little bitterness there for sure. For good reason

Maybe if Gorton did his job instead of making jokes, he wouldn't have been sitting in a studio in New Jersey talking about the draft. The ESPN show was done from the NHL Network studio in NJ.

Gorton brought Lucic and Marchand to Boston. The Rangers drafted the same players every year.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Like I said yesterday I understand that the Rangers needed to fix their bottom six I get that. But it just seems they are making it too much of a priority and paying a heavy price for it in terms of assets and money. I feel like they should have gotten either a 2021 or 2022 first instead of a second in the deal.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I don't think Zibanejad is going anywhere. I've never heard of that guy.

He's Joe Micheletti's brother. FWIW, Joe recently spoke to Drury....

 

[Kovalev27]

Rangers we’re gonna take the goalie Cossa sounds like and got leap frogged. Ouch

 

[Kovalev27]

Who is this guy?

inb4 Eichel is a player on Buffalo

nicks actually a buddy of mine from college I’m going to pm him see if he’s playing around or not

update

he was just having some fun with everyone. Sabre’s are asking for way to much think kakko and or lafreniere same I’ve heard. Is that going to change? Who knows but the price tag is absurd.

 

[Kovalev27]

Inside the Pavel Buchnevich trade, no Jack Eichel trade and a busy day for the NY Rangers

Sounds like the market wasn't really there for Buch at his expected ongoing cost.

nobody has cap space and for wingers? unless they’re star wingers You maybe have a handful of teams at best to work with.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Maybe if Gorton did his job instead of making jokes, he wouldn't have been sitting in a studio in New Jersey talking about the draft. The ESPN show was done from the NHL Network studio in NJ.

Gorton brought Lucic and Marchand to Boston. The Rangers drafted the same players every year.

he drafted grit/toughness last year yet left the big team with no way two defend itself. Wasn’t fair as the cap/dead money was a mess last year . . Then again, can’t defend losing Fast, dollars for Jack Johnson, extending Strome, resigning Kreider and striking out with TDA b/c the roster is still in the position it was at the pre-covid trade deadline.

 

[SRHRangers]

Woke up, and I still feel the same.

Buch was traded for a guy that was being scratched last season.

Horrible asset management, and I'm calling Drury ,Isiah Idzik for the foreseeable future.

 

[Ola]

I don't care how people choose to paint these last few days; I don't trust Drury anymore.

I am not worried yet.

(a) I think it makes a lot of sense bringing in more role players who are willing to hit the ice and play full throttle hockey without thinking about tomorrow.

You cannot do that with Kreider, Gauthier and 5 skilled wingers. Gauthier was/is a 100% passenger, I wonder if people have forgot how an energy winger plays the game when they think Gauthier could be a contributor. Maybe he can find a way under Gallant, but I don’t think he deserves another chance. JMO.

Players need to go out and players need to come in.

(b) I’ve never, or at least rarely, questioned the return a team gets after auctioning a player across the league. You can’t “sell” a player to another team, it doesn’t work like that. You get the return you get, what the market is willing to pay. Then of course like the return on an individual basis can be questioned, like Namestnikov. But how many here hand to heart got a good track of Blais?

If we get a 2nd round pick and an asset worth a second round pick it’s more or less a return on par with what Hayes and Zuccarello fetched. We signed everyone to bridge deals under Gorton. Buch faith was sealed when he got the bridge deal. That was my first response to the contract Buch signed two years ago. This means that he will be traded and the return will be so-so at best. If he plays well, he will cost a ton.

(c) You could argue that all contracts Gorton signed — every single one of them — were disasters. From Zucc to Miller to Hayes to Buch to Ziba to many others. Everyone of these players would have fetched a significantly better return if they wouldn’t have been strong armed into Gorton’s bridge deal circus.

The Zibanejad deal is the absolute worst. 5 years. Who gives a 23 y/o a 5 year deal? Right at the time we are supposed to start to compete he becomes a UFA lol. I don’t know whether to cry or to laugh.

I want an independent investigation. How could Gorton be allowed to sign these brain dead contracts? How could nobody around him intervened? It simply was extremely obvious that it was going to be tremendously damaging for the organization and it was the complete opposite of what basically all other teams in the league did.

This is going to cost us. We do not have one single good contract on the books. Competing in the NHL is — only — about squeezing in as much talent as you can under the cap, and we do not have one single contract that is even decent. Drury has nothing to work with whatsoever stepping into this job and he basically has to start from scratch with a rebuild — to a large extent.

(d) The Othman pick is interesting. I like his potential. He got hockey sense, he got intensity, he can carry the puck, he works hard. His skating technique is remarkably poor, which makes — to me at least — his potential a big question mark on the upside. He can improve, how much?

 

[CasusBelli]

It's Eichel. Always was Eichel. Anything else is a backup plan. We'll see what happens tomorrow could be a series of trades to make things happen of which this was the first one.

Even with his injury? God I hope not.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Woke up, and I still feel the same.

Buch was traded for a guy that was being scratched last season.

Horrible asset management, and I'm calling Drury ,Isiah Idzik for the foreseeable future.

What was he scratched twice?

Thats what happens with a coach who holds people accountable. Quinn only went out of his way to do with with ELC players who weren't Howden.

 

[Savant]

Rangers we’re gonna take the goalie Cossa sounds like and got leap frogged. Ouch

According to who?

 

[egelband]

nicks actually a buddy of mine from college I’m going to pm him see if he’s playing around or not

update

he was just having some fun with everyone. Sabre’s are asking for way to much think kakko and or lafreniere same I’ve heard. Is that going to change? Who knows but the price tag is absurd.

No wonder he wasn’t traded on day one.

 

[leetch2]

Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?

 

[NYRFAN218]

Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?

Nor trade him? They're not pressed up for cap space this upcoming season. Unless there's a deal in the works immediately, this trade didn't have to happen this second. There's no way they don't get this value or better in a week , a month, 8 months at the deadline, etc. The cap space thing is being framed as an immediate issue when it's a 22-23 issue and beyond.

That's what makes this even more disappointing. If they had Eichel lined up then I get the need for clearing out the cap space in a sense. With nothing else lined up, why did this have to happen now in a trade that indisputably makes the Rangers worse and isn't close to an equitable return?

 

[leetch2]

Nor trade him? They're not pressed up for cap space this upcoming season. Unless there's a deal in the works immediately, this trade didn't have to happen this second. There's no way they don't get this value or better in a week , a month, 8 months at the deadline, etc. The cap space thing is being framed as an immediate issue when it's a 22-23 issue and beyond.

That's what makes this even more disappointing. If they had Eichel lined up then I get the need for clearing out the cap space in a sense. With nothing else lined up, why did this have to happen now in a trade that indisputably makes the Rangers worse and isn't close to an equitable return?

But if you wait, you have to sign him. He probably goes to arbitration and gets $6M+. So now you have to play him next year instead of the kids while knowing that he's gone. And yes, you can trade him at the deadline, but you've potentially wasted a year of development time by having to play a guy that's leaving. It's hardly ideal.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Maybe if Gorton did his job instead of making jokes, he wouldn't have been sitting in a studio in New Jersey talking about the draft. The ESPN show was done from the NHL Network studio in NJ.

Gorton brought Lucic and Marchand to Boston. The Rangers drafted the same players every year.

lol Cuylle ? Trading up to get Schneider? He was addressing it gimme a break

We’ll see how great the Drury decision is in time

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?

Held a bit longer. But its also possible that they moved him now because they want to use the money they would have had to give him elsewhere.

 

[Tawnos]

Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?

I've been thinking about this question a lot. They could have waited past yesterday, especially since the pick isn't until next year anyway. I'm not sure they could have waited beyond Tuesday though, because once you get there, it's UFA season and the suitors for Buchnevich might just find someone they don't have to give up assets for.

You can't wait much longer than that, really, if the determination is that you won't be able to afford him after this season. If you sign him to a stopgap 1-year deal, you're putting yourself into a situation of self-renting or trading an important player away at a deadline where you plan to be in the playoff hunt. If you sign him to a long-term deal, eating UFA years, it would end up being a hard contract to move in the flat-cap world.

I think it's perfectly reasonable why Drury might have felt the need to move him now and am willing to believe that was the best offer on the table. Even so, I'm really unhappy with the return. Not Blais, but rather the 2nd rounder. If it was Blais+1, I'm happy today.

 

[Savant]

Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?

They should have done nothing. The pick they got was a 2022 so there was no rush to do something before the draft.

What clearly happened is NYR called STL about Blais and then Armstrong got to work.

This wasn’t the only offer either so I am really curious what we turned down from the other two rumored teams because what they got from the Blues is a joke

 

[Ola]

lol Cuylle ? Trading up to get Schneider? He was addressing it gimme a break

Why was Gauthier and the likes on our 4th line? He is as soft as they get.

 

[Doctyl]

I've been thinking about this question a lot. They could have waited past yesterday, especially since the pick isn't until next year anyway. I'm not sure they could have waited beyond Tuesday though, because once you get there, it's UFA season and the suitors for Buchnevich might just find someone they don't have to give up assets for.

You can't wait much longer than that, really, if the determination is that you won't be able to afford him after this season. If you sign him to a stopgap 1-year deal, you're putting yourself into a situation of self-renting or trading an important player away at a deadline where you plan to be in the playoff hunt. If you sign him to a long-term deal, eating UFA years, it would end up being a hard contract to move in the flat-cap world.

I think it's perfectly reasonable why Drury might have felt the need to move him now and am willing to believe that was the best offer on the table. Even so, I'm really unhappy with the return. Not Blais, but rather the 2nd rounder. If it was Blais+1, I'm happy today.

Hell even if the 2nd was a conditional 1st on him re-signing there, I’d feel a lot better

 

[Tawnos]

Hell even if the 2nd was a conditional 1st on him re-signing there, I’d feel a lot better

You're not allowed to do re-signing conditions anymore