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Confirmed with Link: Buch traded to STL for Blais + 2nd (2022)

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leetch2 said:
Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?
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It’s tough because conventional wisdom says just hang onto him for another season and move him at the deadline, where you *might* get a late first and a small add for him

I was reading either Larry’s or Vince’s latest where I think one of them said the team opted to take the player + a second as opposed to just a late first

This might speak to the way teams evaluate players though. By all accounts Buchnevich is a top line two way forward who’s in his prime, the most a team is willing to offer is a late 1st in a crappy draft or a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick?

Idk, it’s a tough situation
 
Yeah you had to trade Buch now or close to now. Evidently according to Brooks they'd been trying for weeks. The one thing you couldn't do was go into the season with him and the have to either self-rent or move him out in a playoff race, both of which would be undesirable options.

Maybe the market for him just didn't develop? I don't know why that would happen, but there are always guys the league undervalues. Maybe this was one of those cases.
 
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Laffy Taffy said:
Not sure how I completely missed that there was a new CBA
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Me neither! :laugh: How else do you think there could be a dictated flat-cap?

Players didn't like the re-signing conditions because it either eliminates one possible team, or sometimes depresses the offer from the team that traded for them. Just as an example, I bet the Stars make Zuccarello a better offer if it didn't mean giving up a 1st round pick.
 
Tawnos said:
Me neither! :laugh: How else do you think there could be a dictated flat-cap?

Players didn't like the re-signing conditions because it either eliminates one possible team, or sometimes depresses the offer from the team that traded for them. Just as an example, I bet the Stars make Zuccarello a better offer if it didn't mean giving up a 1st round pick.
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The deals that season and that one in particular really factored into that decision IMO
 
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There was too much smoke with other deals with Buch to think that this was the best offer.

And if it was? Hold him. Let him play with us and have a team panic during the season with an injury or at TDL.

And there's a scenario if we hold him, that he's just too good to let go of and it's Kravtsov on the market.

This was a case of Drury wanting Blais and Armstrong went Deliverance on him.
 
East Coast Bias said:
That’s great. Got tired of rooting for the most random playoff scenarios like a degenerate gambler so we would get upgraded picks
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As was just mentioned, conditions based on making the playoffs, and how far a team goes in them, are still allowed. So are conditions based on things like where in the draft order the pick ends up or how many games a player plays.
 
Thirty One said:
“Most random playoff scenarios” like:
- Tampa Wins the Cup
- Dallas goes to third round

anyways they can still do those.
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it was tongue In cheek

it’s also probably about time for us to disappoint another fan base with a 1st round exit with a highly conditional pick
 
Blais is much closer to a solid 3rd liner than a 4th liner. 28 points in his last 76 games at 24/25 years old. With the other elements he brings, that’s valuable. The hope is probably that he can bring 30-35 points while adding that dimension long term to the organization. I really like him as a fit on the team.

I’m underwhelmed overall but that’s not an indictment on Blais.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
You like this deal?
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A 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder. How much is Sammy Blais worth? I have no clue really. Don’t have much of a read on him. If he becomes a valuable core member of our bottom 6 with some upside, I definitely think this deal could be perfectly acceptable on Drury’s resume.

Buch’s agent confirms that they were forced to take a short term deal the last time around. Buch wanted a long term contract. How much would he have received on that contract? Not more than 4m. How much is Buch worth today if he has like 3 years left at 4m per? This is where the mistake was made.
 
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I really don’t get why everyone all of the sudden is acting like Buch was the second coming. He was a good player who was as streaky as they come. Not denying his talent, but I think many here totally over-valued him. ESPECIALLY in the context of seeing what kind of teams challenge for/win cups nowadays.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Blais is much closer to a solid 3rd liner than a 4th liner. 28 points in his last 76 games at 24/25 years old. With the other elements he brings, that’s valuable. The hope is probably that he can bring 30-35 points while adding that dimension long term to the organization. I really like him as a fit on the team.

I’m underwhelmed overall but that’s not an indictment on Blais.
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28pts in his last 76 games, Buch was our leading scorer with 28 points in his first like 29 games this season lol
 
leetch2 said:
Can I ask a fundamental question? If this was the best offer they got for Buch, what do you think they should have done?
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If it's the best offer, and it's the best offer they are going to get before the season starts, take the deal. The writing is on the wall with Buch's long-term place on the team and we know how they feel about subtracting players mid-season these days.

But my issue is that I don't believe that's the case, that it seems like they passed up on value because they were targeting "their guy" in Blais. I think pinpointing your exact fit and paying the asking price they're looking for on bottom-sixers should be reserved for those who are close to winning it all. Seems like the Rangers want to skip some steps in team progression.

P.S. I like Blais.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
It’s tough because conventional wisdom says just hang onto him for another season and move him at the deadline, where you *might* get a late first and a small add for him

I was reading either Larry’s or Vince’s latest where I think one of them said the team opted to take the player + a second as opposed to just a late first

This might speak to the way teams evaluate players though. By all accounts Buchnevich is a top line two way forward who’s in his prime, the most a team is willing to offer is a late 1st in a crappy draft or a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick?

Idk, it’s a tough situation
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The issue is if you're in a playoff hunt you're most likely not moving Buchnevich because he's too important for the playoff run. Then you get nothing when he leaves.

Apart from that the fans and the Rangers want Lafreniere, Kakko and Kravtsov stepping up in a bigger way and Buch was blocking that and then there was the cap issue. If Buch is going to get $6 to $6.5 that was going to have some ramifications for our future and the decision on his contract couldn't be put off forever.
 
Exchanging Buchnevich for Blais opens a top-six spot on the right side. As I suggested in this space Friday, the construction of the third line as a checking unit means that the Blueshirts won’t stack Artemi Panarin, Chris Kreider and Alexis Lafreniere on the left. So one, most likely Lafreniere, will move to the right to fill the vacancy created by Buchnevich’s exit.
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he said it again. Is he forgetting Kravtsov or is he as good as gone?

Pavel Buchnevich trade was move Rangers' plan demanded
 
Thirty One said:
If it's the best offer, and it's the best offer they are going to get before the season starts, take the deal. The writing is on the wall with Buch's long-term place on the team and we know how they feel about subtracting players mid-season these days.

But my issue is that I don't believe that's the case, that it seems like they passed up on value because they were targeting "their guy" in Blais. I think pinpointing your exact fit and paying the asking price they're looking for on bottom-sixers should be reserved for those who are close to winning it all. Seems like the Rangers want to skip some steps in team progression.

P.S. I like Blais.
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The thing is, if Drury was willing to take back term — I am sure we could have received a much sexier return.

But what does we clear on this deal, Blais is like max 800k more than the replacement on the bottom 6 and Buch would have made around 5-6m. If you can assume 4m, it’s easy to get a valuable asset instantly.
 
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