Bruins vs Isles

[JT AM da real deal]

Watched game last night and wow can Isles ever keep hanging on to a thread .. completely dominated all night and took da win .. but that was a game decided by refs .. i would blow up too if i was bruins coach .. bruins did not play dirty 1 bit and neither did Isles .. it was 1 of those games where refs whistles should have stayed silent and let players decide it .. but for some reason refs tilted ice on PP

 

[egd27]

I'm in the Johnny Torts camp. If you won't touch the core, the next best thing is to get a coach who will make them sweat.

I think you need to move in that direction, but Torts may be swinging the pendulum a little too far.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think you need to move in that direction, but Torts may be swinging the pendulum a little too far.

Gallant would be perfect old school right side of puck coach but happy go lucky guy too

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think you need to move in that direction, but Torts may be swinging the pendulum a little too far.

Torts and Babs worked 20 years ago when guys were scared to go to minors with a bad shift or two .. today requires a character guy who has a tough system but does it with a smile based solely on performance in best interest of team .. Torts would be gassed after he sat Mitch for a bonehead pass for a period and then Matty for another for shooting over cross bar when defense was not there for backup .. and then Willy would be told not to dress for screwing around before game in dressing room with his ear phones on .. and bottom line it would not fix any of those guys because they will do same things all again

 

[sparxx87]

Gallant would be perfect old school right side of puck coach but happy go lucky guy too

But didn’t he leave Florida over a disagreement about strategy/philosophy based on using numbers?

Vague memory, but that’s what immediately came to mind.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Wasn't the whole Moneyball approach a response to the fact that Beane was unable to compete financially so he was forced to find inexpensive players that could succeed in specific roles?

Yes and it was based on analytics. The leafs didn't need to use analytics the way other cash strapped professional teams have. It's just part of the Dubas philosophy.

In some ways it makes it more painful that it was self inflicted.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

But didn’t he leave Florida over a disagreement about strategy/philosophy based on using numbers?

Vague memory, but that’s what immediately came to mind.

Yep Tallon was moved out of hockey operations to prez i think and new GM was another analytics guy who never touched ice .. bottom line Keefer is not even doing what he has done in his past .. he and his bro would do anything to win a game - anything .. he is doing what Dubie wants and Dubie is on thin ice .. i don't see this entire Dubie era ending well for anyone .. Shanny is gonna be tarnished .. Leaf org is gonna hurt from his era .. and Dubie will be out of hockey for good unless he wants an asst job analyzing numbers for a hockey guy

 

[RoadWarrior]

Torts and Babs worked 20 years ago when guys were scared to go to minors with a bad shift or two .. today requires a character guy who has a tough system but does it with a smile based solely on performance in best interest of team .. Torts would be gassed after he sat Mitch for a bonehead pass for a period and then Matty for another for shooting over cross bar when defense was not there for backup .. and then Willy would be told not to dress for screwing around before game in dressing room with his ear phones on .. and bottom line it would not fix any of those guys because they will do same things all again

It would fix the problems only if management supported the coaching staff and that wasn't the case under Babcock.

Sheldon Keefe is obviously not the most qualified person for his current role. He's there because of cronyism and his loyalty taking orders from Dubas.

 

[Kurtz]

Yep Tallon was moved out of hockey operations to prez i think and new GM was another analytics guy who never touched ice .. bottom line Keefer is not even doing what he has done in his past .. he and his bro would do anything to win a game - anything .. he is doing what Dubie wants and Dubie is on thin ice .. i don't see this entire Dubie era ending well for anyone .. Shanny is gonna be tarnished .. Leaf org is gonna hurt from his era .. and Dubie will be out of hockey for good unless he wants an asst job analyzing numbers for a hockey guy

I don't think Dubas is qualified for that. They'd want math/stats majors from serious schools for that role...not a guy with a Sports Management degree from Brock.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't think Dubas is qualified for that. They'd want math/stats majors from serious schools for that role...not a guy with a Sports Management degree from Brock.

I didn't want to go there but i guess everyone knows it already .. lol .. back to Owen Sound and livin da life of king

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It would fix the problems only if management supported the coaching staff and that wasn't the case under Babcock.

Sheldon Keefe is obviously not the most qualified person for his current role. He's there because of cronyism and his loyalty taking orders from Dubas.

Likewise for Dubie except he tricked Shanny LOL .. Shanny not da sharpest tool in da drawer

 

[notbias]

The delusion in this thread calling for Dubas and Keefe to be fired and everyone traded is hilarious.
Dubas has made huge strides with this team, it is night and day to what he inherited. Keefe has this team consistently outplaying other teams.
If Tavares doesn't go down or Matthews scores in game 1 on one of his posts the same people calling for major change would be praising this team.
This team is young and has some flaws, but they are trending in the right direction.

If you truly think the Islanders are a team to emulate, it isn't hard.. run a boring system with a team of middle-tier players who are willing to play a system to make up for their lack of skill. But I look at them as a good team without the skill to win 16 games in the playoffs, they will probably win 8-12. I'd rather a team that has the skill to take a shot at the cup than one that makes it into round 3 consistently.

 

[RoadWarrior]

The delusion in this thread calling for Dubas and Keefe to be fired and everyone traded is hilarious.
Dubas has made huge strides with this team, it is night and day to what he inherited. Keefe has this team consistently outplaying other teams.
If Tavares doesn't go down or Matthews scores in game 1 on one of his posts the same people calling for major change would be praising this team.
This team is young and has some flaws, but they are trending in the right direction.

If you truly think the Islanders are a team to emulate, it isn't hard.. run a boring system with a team of middle-tier players who are willing to play a system to make up for their lack of skill. But I look at them as a good team without the skill to win 16 games in the playoffs, they will probably win 8-12. I'd rather a team that has the skill to take a shot at the cup than one that makes it into round 3 consistently.

Why does this post feel like it's Kyle's mother?

Ifs ands or buts. Shoulda coulda woulda. It's all we've heard now for 5 years. There's ALWAYS a convenient excuse for not getting the job done in the playoffs.

What's driving people crazy is the lack of accountability on this team. Especially within management and the star players who seem to think regular season success actually means something. I've got news for you. It doesn't.

This team as it's currently constituted doesn't have the desire or work ethic to achieve success in the playoffs and the current coach is almost laughable.

That reality needs to sink in. Denial is the first stage.

 

[Cleetus]

The delusion in this thread calling for Dubas and Keefe to be fired and everyone traded is hilarious.
Dubas has made huge strides with this team, it is night and day to what he inherited. Keefe has this team consistently outplaying other teams.
If Tavares doesn't go down or Matthews scores in game 1 on one of his posts the same people calling for major change would be praising this team.
This team is young and has some flaws, but they are trending in the right direction.

If you truly think the Islanders are a team to emulate, it isn't hard.. run a boring system with a team of middle-tier players who are willing to play a system to make up for their lack of skill. But I look at them as a good team without the skill to win 16 games in the playoffs, they will probably win 8-12. I'd rather a team that has the skill to take a shot at the cup than one that makes it into round 3 consistently.

lmao well we have a team that cant get out of the first round, never mind a shot at the cup.... is this a joke? mediocrity should not be acceptable this post talking up a failure is comical

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I said after Game 1 of Bolts vs. Panthers series our team wasn't up to this compete level.

And they're not. At all.

 

[notbias]

Why does this post feel like it's Kyle's mother?

Ifs ands or buts. Shoulda coulda woulda. It's all we've heard now for 5 years. There's ALWAYS a convenient excuse for not getting the job done in the playoffs.

What's driving people crazy is the lack of accountability on this team. Especially within management and the star players who seem to think regular season success actually means something. I've got news for you. It doesn't.

This team as it's currently constituted doesn't have the desire or work ethic to achieve success in the playoffs and the current coach is almost laughable.

That reality needs to sink in. Denial is the first stage.

Pretty much all of this is either just made up or assumed. This is the first year they were heavy favourites in a series, and I am assuming you have no inside knowledge of what is said between management and players or what players are thinking.

The team is in a good spot with talent, I hope Dubas learned from listening to the crowd of "we need toughness, this team needs leadership" and if we are signing players in that mold they can at least keep up with the team.

While I do think the Leafs are mentally weak as a team and it needs to figure that out, this post proves that the fans are far more mentally weak than the team.

 

[notbias]

lmao well we have a team that cant get out of the first round, never mind a shot at the cup.... is this a joke? mediocrity should not be acceptable this post talking up a failure is comical

So, to interpret that part you have to use critical thinking, I know it is hard, but try.

The point was the NYI are always going to be a good team the way they are built, but I will be shocked if they have the talent to beat the top 5 teams. A system only gets you so far.

Teams like Toronto are built to compete with high-end teams, they can match up star power with most teams. Systems and hard work are important, but you also need skill to win cups. The team needs work, but I am laughing at people who point to the Islanders as someone to model the team after.

 

[Cleetus]

So, to interpret that part you have to use critical thinking, I know it is hard, but try.

The point was the NYI are always going to be a good team the way they are built, but I will be shocked if they have the talent to beat the top 5 teams. A system only gets you so far.

Teams like Toronto are built to compete with high-end teams, they can match up star power with most teams. Systems and hard work are important, but you also need skill to win cups. The team needs work, but I am laughing at people who point to the Islanders as someone to model the team after.

what is really funny is how post this nonsense about skill power or laugh at how the isles are built, that are still playing hockey 1 win away from the semi-finals, and how this leaf team has the star power to win.... they cant even win a f***ing round... their star power has not done shit with the tough gets going... u think its funny people are pointing out to you how to win in the playoffs, Teams like Toronto are built to compete with high end teams? lol they sure are look at them go, oh wait they failed

 

[sparxx87]

So, to interpret that part you have to use critical thinking, I know it is hard, but try.

The point was the NYI are always going to be a good team the way they are built, but I will be shocked if they have the talent to beat the top 5 teams. A system only gets you so far.

Teams like Toronto are built to compete with high-end teams, they can match up star power with most teams. Systems and hard work are important, but you also need skill to win cups. The team needs work, but I am laughing at people who point to the Islanders as someone to model the team after.

So you had Columbus as the favourites last year?

Don’t you think someone that could build the infrastructure like in NY, but with the top talent in Toronto might be a good play?

 

[Menzinger]

Wasn't the whole Moneyball approach a response to the fact that Beane was unable to compete financially so he was forced to find inexpensive players that could succeed in specific roles?

One of the biggest misperceptions is that "moneyball" and "analytics" are synonyms. One was a very specific and contextual use of analytics the other is the broader usage of statistics to help inform decision making which can take different forms.

 

[notbias]

So you had Columbus as the favourites last year?

Don’t you think someone that could build the infrastructure like in NY, but with the top talent in Toronto might be a good play?

Columbus was a slight underdog I believe, that is why I said heavily, lots of people had Columbus winning.

And we had someone like who they have in NY, it was the same results that you guys are complaining about.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I'm in the Johnny Torts camp. If you won't touch the core, the next best thing is to get a coach who will make them sweat.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t.

If Torts or another coach of his ilk was brought in, the players that don't have it in them to play that style would just eventually tune him out.

Our issues are player personnel related, and it's going to take more than a new coach to fix the problem.

 

[sparxx87]

Columbus was a slight underdog I believe, that is why I said heavily, lots of people had Columbus winning.

And we had someone like who they have in NY, it was the same results that you guys are complaining about.

I wasn’t complaining after losing in 6 to the soon to be champs in Washington, and I wasn’t mad losing to Boston.

I wanted to see what was next. They were in a great spot on a great trajectory.

Then Kyle Dubas replaced Lou Lamoriello and it’s been mostly all downhill ever since. Lost a far more winnable rematch against Boston, then slapped by Columbus and Montréal.

 

[notbias]

I wasn’t complaining after losing in 6 to the soon to be champs in Washington, and I wasn’t mad losing to Boston.

I wanted to see what was next. They were in a great spot on a great trajectory.

Then Kyle Dubas replaced Lou Lamoriello and it’s been mostly all downhill ever since. Lost a far more winnable rematch against Boston, then slapped by Columbus and Montréal.

so your opinion on if we should win changed when the GM changed? Interesting.

Were your expectations higher? Did Kyle put together what you assumed was a better team? What changed with the GM change that made you think this team should be winning these series?

 

[AllDay28]

I wasn’t complaining after losing in 6 to the soon to be champs in Washington, and I wasn’t mad losing to Boston.

I wanted to see what was next. They were in a great spot on a great trajectory.

Then Kyle Dubas replaced Lou Lamoriello and it’s been mostly all downhill ever since. Lost a far more winnable rematch against Boston, then slapped by Columbus and Montréal.

they got slapped by Boston and Washington too. But it was ok then cause we had the 80 year old GM and not the boy wonder.