Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals V

[JEM28]

Think there’s a lot of people that would be on board with shipping out any of the new guys not named above for immediate help.

Not everyone, but quite a few.

And Krejci too but he seems to be a hot topic off and on here lol.

Personally I’d wait to the deadline. Give everyone a good half year to gel. See who looks like keepers.

I’d be ok shipping out ANY player if it makes the Bruins better.

For me, there are near-untouchables....but no 100% untouchables.

The poster who mentioned wasted years as the core ages? I’m not ready to call it a wasted year, but the truth is, IMO at least, the core’s skill level will deteriorate faster than many would like to admit. It’s coming, just a fact of NHL life. That window is closing.

True contention in the near team requires Either the young guys growing quickly to support the core , or a “hockey trade” which means moving significant young players in return for high-level talent, or an absolutely incredible run by a goalie. Otherwise, I’m not sure this squad is quite there yet even when healthy.

Sweeney will stand pat and see what happens, see what the young guys can do and react accordingly late in the season. He’s not going to mortgage the farm or be impatient with the younger players.

I’m hopeful the lines of upward trajectory (for the youth) and downward trajectory ( for the core) intersect at a high enough level of performance to seriously contend this or next year. Beyond that, I could see anyone from the core vets being a viable trade option.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

McAvoy isn't replacing Chara. ever.

No, he's not. But he's literally the only high ceiling defensive prospect we have.

Defensemen should be more valuable for the team. If you move McAvoy it would be for an in-their-prime top pairing defensemen, and even then it would depend which one.

 

[jgatie]

Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Ray Bourque............traded yet you know 100% Sid will retire a Pen.
Tell him I said hi next time you're hanging out! Not trying to be rude.......but if you weren't a close friend of his, you wouldn't know this, that's all.

Half those names were never traded. If you are going to get historical to make a point, at least get the history correct.

 

[Dizzay]

Half those names were never traded. If you are going to get historical to make a point, at least get the history correct.

Traded or left as a free agent. Traded most times mean the team needs a shake up, conflict with the player or organization going in a different direction aka a rebuild.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I’d be ok shipping out ANY player if it makes the Bruins better.

For me, there are near-untouchables....but no 100% untouchables.

The poster who mentioned wasted years as the core ages? I’m not ready to call it a wasted year, but the truth is, IMO at least, the core’s skill level will deteriorate faster than many would like to admit. It’s coming, just a fact of NHL life. That window is closing.

True contention in the near team requires Either the young guys growing quickly to support the core , or a “hockey trade” which means moving significant young players in return for high-level talent, or an absolutely incredible run by a goalie. Otherwise, I’m not sure this squad is quite there yet even when healthy.

Sweeney will stand pat and see what happens, see what the young guys can do and react accordingly late in the season. He’s not going to mortgage the farm or be impatient with the younger players.

I’m hopeful the lines of upward trajectory (for the youth) and downward trajectory ( for the core) intersect at a high enough level of performance to seriously contend this or next year. Beyond that, I could see anyone from the core vets being a viable trade option.

Well said. And my hope as well is the youth gets to a higher level very soon.

I fear becoming the Detroit Red Wings. They had Lidstrom aging on one year deals, they had Zetterberg and Datsyuk aging while still having to carry the team offensively as they waited for the youth to evolve. It didn’t work out for them. Holland either should’ve made a trade(s) while their core was still effective, or employed the Bill Walsh/ Bill Belichek method and traded players a year or two too soon as opposed to too late. He could’ve gotten a haul for Datsyuk and Zetterberg a few years back. Something that’d be helping Larkin right now.

 

[JEM28]

Well said. And my hope as well is the youth gets to a higher level very soon.

I fear becoming the Detroit Red Wings. They had Lidstrom aging on one year deals, they had Zetterberg and Datsyuk aging while still having to carry the team offensively as they waited for the youth to evolve. It didn’t work out for them. Holland either should’ve made a trade(s) while their core was still effective, or employed the Bill Walsh/ Bill Belichek method and traded players a year or two too soon as opposed to too late. He could’ve gotten a haul for Datsyuk and Zetterberg a few years back. Something that’d be helping Larkin right now.

I think Detroit is the perfect analogy for what I, too, fear could occur if management hangs on the certain guys too long. I know the NMCs and NTCs make it more difficult to navigate the waters, but not impossible.

I agree the Wings could have acquired some serious prospects and picks for their aging core. Similar to the Celts waiting too long to move certain players a couple of years after their 2008 championship...the window was shut and management still thought they were a contender.

I don't want the Bruins to be a marginal playoff team that simply hopes things will fall into place while 35+ yr olds are carrying the team on their back. I want them to know they are a serious contender who's core is younger and is bolstered by having still effective vets like Bergy providing leadership, but not being relied upon so heavily otherwise.

 

[Fopppa]

I think Detroit is the perfect analogy for what I, too, fear could occur if management hangs on the certain guys too long. I know the NMCs and NTCs make it more difficult to navigate the waters, but not impossible.

I agree the Wings could have acquired some serious prospects and picks for their aging core. Similar to the Celts waiting too long to move certain players a couple of years after their 2008 championship...the window was shut and management still thought they were a contender.

I don't want the Bruins to be a marginal playoff team that simply hopes things will fall into place while 35+ yr olds are carrying the team on their back. I want them to know they are a serious contender who's core is younger and is bolstered by having still effective vets like Bergy providing leadership, but not being relied upon so heavily otherwise.

I think they're in better shape than those red wings teams were due to Marchy, Pasta, Krug, McAvoy, Carlo. The Detroit secondary never got to that level in the age bracket below their stars. Their stars were all alone with everyone disappointing below. Right now, I’d say the Bs are in great shape providing just one of Bjork, Heinen and Donato emerging as a legitimate threat. The back end is fine, maybe even great, if Charlie’s ok.

There are ifs though. Old guys and injuries are never good. Backes seems like he’s had at least one too many lately and is realistically done as an impact player. If that scenario strikes Bergy, Chara or Krech the Bs are in serious trouble. Not catastrophic trouble, but serious.

We need someone to emerge as the real thing here. Detroit needed a handful of miracles, I think we’d me good with just one right now.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Jordan Staal would slot in perfectly as a 3C in Boston

 

[The don godfather]

Jordan Staal would slot in perfectly as a 3C in Boston

No thanks more cap consumption. JFK all the way now. Let him develop he's already 22 yrs old let's run with him or bust.

 

[Gordoff]

Jordan Staal would slot in perfectly as a 3C in Boston

He probably would be perfect for that slot but he has a contract that runs to 2022-'23. He'd be a big body center, a real need for the Bruins IMO. By then he will only be 34, not bad at all but why would Carolina trade him here? Do you know what the 'Canes need?
They don't seem to be in a cap crunch for this year anyway...
PROJECTED CAP HIT

: $63,356,011

PROJECTED LTIR USED

: $0

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $16,143,989

 

[PlayMakers]

1st & Cehlarik for Wayne Simmonds?

I think that's similar to what we gave up for Rick Nash. The pieces of value we gave up in that deal were a 1st and Lindgren. (I figure Spooner was the cost for them to take on Beleskey.)

Cehlarik could play with Voracek and maybe get that Czech chemistry going in Philly that we don't seem interested in trying here.

Simmonds could slot in next to Krejci and bring that size and snarl we seemed to be lacking against Tampa last year.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

1st & Cehlarik for Wayne Simmonds?

I think that's similar to what we gave up for Rick Nash. The pieces of value we gave up in that deal were a 1st and Lindgren. (I figure Spooner was the cost for them to take on Beleskey.)

Cehlarik could play with Voracek and maybe get that Czech chemistry going in Philly that we don't seem interested in trying here.

Simmonds could slot in next to Krejci and bring that size and snarl we seemed to be lacking against Tampa last year.

I think it'd be tough to stomach giving up another unconditional first for a rental

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

1st & Cehlarik for Wayne Simmonds?

I think that's similar to what we gave up for Rick Nash. The pieces of value we gave up in that deal were a 1st and Lindgren. (I figure Spooner was the cost for them to take on Beleskey.)

Cehlarik could play with Voracek and maybe get that Czech chemistry going in Philly that we don't seem interested in trying here.

Simmonds could slot in next to Krejci and bring that size and snarl we seemed to be lacking against Tampa last year.

then why hasn't that been accomplished by ANY TEAM?

 

[Rumpy]

I don’t think they’re dumb lol. Just passionate.

I will say that I agree with those that see the window of Bergeron et al closing. Because it is. Maybe not this year but 2 or 3 down the line is pretty much it.

With that in mind ya, get them some help.

As long as that help doesn’t come from dealing Debrusk, Carlo or McAvoy go to town.

I say wait to the deadline though because any kid not named those 3 is going to get you absolute junk on the trade market right now. Because they have all been junk as far as stats are concerned.

If they can float around .500 until guys start coming back they should be fine playoff wise. Even a WC spot gets you a dance partner. Hell the cross over spot might be a blessing in disguise.

The problem is it hurts Carlo McAvoy and Debrusk down the line...

Sweeney is a draft and develop guy.

His trades and FA signings have been atrocious.

To build on that do you really feel this roster today is 1 or 2 players away from winning it?

 

[PlayMakers]

then why hasn't that been accomplished by ANY TEAM?

I think most "contenders" can't make that deal right now because they don't have the cap space this year. Most teams wait until the deadline so they can bank as much space as possible to give them the most flexibility as possible.

The timing has to be right for the Flyers too. They may not be ready to throw in the towel just yet. Honestly, I hadn't been considering the Flyers a seller until just last night when I looked at the standings and saw they were 1pt from last place in the Eastern Conference.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

I think most "contenders" can't make that deal right now because they don't have the cap space this year. Most teams wait until the deadline so they can bank as much space as possible to give them the most flexibility as possible.

The timing has to be right for the Flyers too. They may not be ready to throw in the towel just yet. Honestly, I hadn't been considering the Flyers a seller until just last night when I looked at the standings and saw they were 1pt from last place in the Eastern Conference.

THEN i repeat why hasn't it happened then, and an absolute NO on Simmonds, you want him, you should've drafted and developed him

 

[Oates2Neely]

He probably would be perfect for that slot but he has a contract that runs to 2022-'23. He'd be a big body center, a real need for the Bruins IMO. By then he will only be 34, not bad at all but why would Carolina trade him here? Do you know what the 'Canes need?
They don't seem to be in a cap crunch for this year anyway...
PROJECTED CAP HIT

: $63,356,011

PROJECTED LTIR USED

: $0

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $16,143,989

That’s a negative, I know nothing of their situation. I just like the player. 20g 50p big bodied center would be sweet. Hopefully Frederic can round into that.

 

[DominicT]

I think most "contenders" can't make that deal right now because they don't have the cap space this year. Most teams wait until the deadline so they can bank as much space as possible to give them the most flexibility as possible.

The timing has to be right for the Flyers too. They may not be ready to throw in the towel just yet. Honestly, I hadn't been considering the Flyers a seller until just last night when I looked at the standings and saw they were 1pt from last place in the Eastern Conference.

And just 6 points out of first

And 6 points behind the Rangers for 2nd with a game in hand, and leading them right now.

And 6 pts from a wild card with a game in hand.

That Metro is so tight you could go from worst to first by winning 4 out of 5

 

[The don godfather]

The problem is it hurts Carlo McAvoy and Debrusk down the line...

Sweeney is a draft and develop guy.

His trades and FA signings have been atrocious.

To build on that do you really feel this roster today is 1 or 2 players away from winning it?

Yes I agree he's not great on his signing and trade record but that Hamilton trade now paying dividends. Lauzon and JFK are for real. Let's give Donny a dollar tip for that.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

THEN i repeat why hasn't it happened then, and an absolute NO on Simmonds, you want him, you should've drafted and developed him

It’s amazing any team has made any trade ever.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

What would be the incentive for the Flames to trade Bennett, same with the Flyers and Simmonds. You will over pay for any of those key guys. Sit tight, dee are coming back. Moore tonight, Mac and Vaak are close.

Clifton took Kampfers spot. JFK is looking better, Nordy is back on the wing, Backes is where he should be on the 4th. Rask is back with his head screwed on right, Halak did not fall apart after one bad game. Maybe Cave will give us what we need on the 3rd line center.

Rather see Bjork in over Acciari but it happens. At least we got to see where the kids are at and how they handle things in the bigs. Good for showcasing or finding out who is worth keeping. Donato, Senyshyn and Blidh all looking good on the farm. Frederic is still injured but they are learning the right way. I would rather keep who we have for now before panicking.

 

[UncleRico]

1st & Cehlarik for Wayne Simmonds?

I think that's similar to what we gave up for Rick Nash. The pieces of value we gave up in that deal were a 1st and Lindgren. (I figure Spooner was the cost for them to take on Beleskey.)

Cehlarik could play with Voracek and maybe get that Czech chemistry going in Philly that we don't seem interested in trying here.

Simmonds could slot in next to Krejci and bring that size and snarl we seemed to be lacking against Tampa last year.

I would do that in a heartbeat, not sure if philly does that however. Simmonds is a little younger and philly probably wants a chance as re-signing him. Rangers were going full rebuild, not sure if philly is going that direction.

 

[BruinsNetwork]

No, he's not. But he's literally the only high ceiling defensive prospect we have.

Defensemen should be more valuable for the team. If you move McAvoy it would be for an in-their-prime top pairing defensemen, and even then it would depend which one.

Lauzon?

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

What would be the incentive for the Flames to trade Bennett, same with the Flyers and Simmonds. You will over pay for any of those key guys. Sit tight, dee are coming back. Moore tonight, Mac and Vaak are close.

Clifton took Kampfers spot. JFK is looking better, Nordy is back on the wing, Backes is where he should be on the 4th. Rask is back with his head screwed on right, Halak did not fall apart after one bad game. Maybe Cave will give us what we need on the 3rd line center.

Rather see Bjork in over Acciari but it happens. At least we got to see where the kids are at and how they handle things in the bigs. Good for showcasing or finding out who is worth keeping. Donato, Senyshyn and Blidh all looking good on the farm. Frederic is still injured but they are learning the right way. I would rather keep who we have for now before panicking.

I’m glad defensemen are coming back, but even with everyone healthy I want Simmonds.

 

[Fenian24]

1st & Cehlarik for Wayne Simmonds?

I think that's similar to what we gave up for Rick Nash. The pieces of value we gave up in that deal were a 1st and Lindgren. (I figure Spooner was the cost for them to take on Beleskey.)

Cehlarik could play with Voracek and maybe get that Czech chemistry going in Philly that we don't seem interested in trying here.

Simmonds could slot in next to Krejci and bring that size and snarl we seemed to be lacking against Tampa last year.

In a heartbeat, try to add Heinen or Zboril in place of the pick but if it takes the first so be it.