Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals II

[Mick Riddleton]

I am all for adding size and grit to the smaller forwards. If Anderson can score then make a pitch for him. We have enough cerebral smaller players, we can afford to let one go. I think Bjork is starting to show promise, I want to keep him, he at least has speed that can always be used.

 

[Sheppy]

As I read your description of what he brings, there was one name that instantly popped in my head....Noel Acciari.

Now is Anderson more offensively gifted than Acciari? yes, but by how much? Career Avg's put their Projected 82 games points at....

Acciari - 12pts
Anderson - 33pts

Danton Heinen seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy whose really Acciari with a better offensive skill set.

Josh Anderson is MUCH, MUCH better than Noel Acciari, lol. That's just ridiculous.

I actually can't take that seriously, so, well... I won't.

 

[kdog82]

As I read your description of what he brings, there was one name that instantly popped in my head....Noel Acciari.

Now is Anderson more offensively gifted than Acciari? yes, but by how much? Career Avg's put their Projected 82 games points at....

Acciari - 12pts
Anderson - 33pts

Danton Heinen seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy whose really Acciari with a better offensive skill set.

Come on man.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I would 100% trade Heinen for Ferland, would have done it last year too.

Yeah, we know, you just said it.

I’m now very wary of trading for “physical” players that put up their best numbers in their contract years.

The B’s aren’t physical enough so they acquire Rinaldo, which worked out great.

The B’s aren’t gritty enough, so they sign Beleskey, which worked out great (I was good with it at the time).

Reilly Smith is not a “B’s kind of player”. Too passive, too cerebral, so he gets traded for Jimmy Hayes, which worked out great.

So, please excuse me if I don’t want to part with a young player whose good in all 3 zones and has already shown the capability of playing up and down the lineup in a variety of situations for a “physical” guy who puts up decent numbers in a walk year.

Edit: I forgot Backes. Big, “gritty” forward that has all the intangibles. Jury is still out, but so far this hasn’t been a home run.

 

[ON3M4N]

Josh Anderson is MUCH, MUCH better than Noel Acciari, lol. That's just ridiculous.

I actually can't take that seriously, so, well... I won't.

Now you know how we feel when people want to trade a nearly 50pt winger for a 30pt winger.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Anderson is not a 4th line player. He can skate and score as well as win puck battles in the corner. I don't see where its even close to being a down grade offensively. I actually feel it'll be an up grade. As I think he'll be a 20-25 goal scorer on the Bruins and he'll add toughness and an edge to a line-up that needs that combination ,which was clearly evident in the playoff loss vs the Lightning.

I think an upgrade to 3C is a higher priority right now. To me upgrading Backes would make the top 9 one of the best in the league. I don’t know if it’s realistic to hope for a better 3C but it would change the lineup in a bigger way then getting Anderson would I think.

 

[Sheppy]

Yeah, we know, you just said it.

I’m now very wary of trading for “physical” players that put up their best numbers in their contract years.

The B’s aren’t physical enough so they acquire Rinaldo, which worked out great.

The B’s aren’t gritty enough, so they sign Beleskey, which worked out great (I was good with it at the time).

Reilly Smith is not a “B’s kind of player”. Too passive, too cerebral, so he gets traded for Jimmy Hayes, which worked out great.

So, please excuse me if I don’t want to part with a young player whose good in all 3 zones and has already shown the capability of playing up and down the lineup in a variety of situations for a “physical” guy who puts up decent numbers in a walk year.

And I’ll continue to say that the Bruins are lacking size and aren’t built well for the playoffs, and in the post season guys like Ferland and Anderson would hold more value.

It’s cool.

 

[Sheppy]

Now you know how we feel when people want to trade a nearly 50pt winger for a 30pt winger.

POINTS POINTS POINTS

Is he a 50 point winger or is he actually closer to a 30-40 point winger than we think?

I don’t think the point gap between the likes of Ferland, Anderson and Heinen will be nearly as much as you think.

I’d love for Heinen to prove me wrong and be that 50-60 point winger. But from what I see this year and what I saw in the post season last year leaves me not all that convinced.

 

[kdog82]

Yeah, we know, you just said it.

I’m now very wary of trading for “physical” players that put up their best numbers in their contract years.

The B’s aren’t physical enough so they acquire Rinaldo, which worked out great.

The B’s aren’t gritty enough, so they sign Beleskey, which worked out great (I was good with it at the time).

Reilly Smith is not a “B’s kind of player”. Too passive, too cerebral, so he gets traded for Jimmy Hayes, which worked out great.

So, please excuse me if I don’t want to part with a young player whose good in all 3 zones and has already shown the capability of playing up and down the lineup in a variety of situations for a “physical” guy who puts up decent numbers in a walk year.

You really don't like Josh Anderson do you. I think he would a solid add to the Bruins on line 2 or 3. He's a far better player than Rinaldo. He's a way better skater than Beleskey. The Reilly Smith one... well I got nothing. That was a horrendous trade.

 

[ON3M4N]

POINTS POINTS POINTS

Yes, points. If I'm going to give up a quick 20 points a season, there better be something to off-set it besides a guy can hit. Nothing against Anderson, I'd take him, but not at the cost of Heinen.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I like Anderson but not sure he has a higher offensive ceiling.

If he were available I’d be okay with Sweeney flipping a 2nd for him and hoping his offensive game matures

 

[TCB]

I think an upgrade to 3C is a higher priority right now. To me upgrading Backes would make the top 9 one of the best in the league. I don’t know if it’s realistic to hope for a better 3C but it would change the lineup in a bigger way then getting Anderson would I think.

I'm on board with this. Sam Bennett has my vote.

A center who can play and brings a little nasty at times. Bennett would be nice. As a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

I do agree the Bruins need another top center if they plan on going far this yr in the playoffs. Ideally it would be nice to attain one who also has the potential to eventually become a 2nd line Center down the road. Like Bennett.

 

[Sheppy]

Yes, points. If I'm going to give up a quick 20 points a season, there better be something to off-set it besides a guy can hit. Nothing against Anderson, I'd take him, but not at the cost of Heinen.

I’m willing to bet that Anderson puts up more goals than Heinen does this year. Ferland too.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

You really don't like Josh Anderson do you. I think he would a solid add to the Bruins on line 2 or 3. He's a far better player than Rinaldo. He's a way better skater than Beleskey. The Reilly Smith one... well I got nothing. That was a horrendous trade.

You must have missed the part where I said, several times, that I like Anderson? I just don’t like him enough to trade a Heinen for him.

I added Backes to the list, who is probably a better comparison.

Beleskey’s (6’3” 205, 27) walk year:

22g/10a in 63 games, 8g/1a in 16 playoff games.

Anderson is younger, but the numbers are comparable. Seems very similar to Ferland though?

 

[Sheppy]

I'm on board with this. Sam Bennett has my vote.

A center who can play and brings a little nasty at times. Bennett would be nice. As a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

I do agree the Bruins need another top center if they plan on going far this yr in the playoffs. Ideally it would be nice to attain one who also has the potential to eventually become a 2nd line Center down the road. Like Bennett.

I thought Bennett would be a low risk move too.

 

[Sheppy]

You must have missed the part where I said, several times, that I like Anderson? I just don’t like him enough to trade a Heinen for him.

I added Backes to the list, who is probably a better comparison.

Beleskey’s (6’3” 205, 27) walk year:

22g/10a in 63 games, 8g/1a in 16 playoff games.

Anderson is younger, but the numbers are comparable. Seems very similar to Ferland though?

You seem to be convinced that just because one player plays a similar style they’re just going to come into Boston and rot away. Do you watch these guys or are you just assuming?

I get that the Bruins were burned with Beleskey but they aren’t comparable players other than they’re physical.

 

[Ratty]

I don't understand what you mean when you say Heinen is a "very pedestrian type of player"

You've obviously never seen him walk down Newbury Street!

 

[BruinDust]

Heinen: 77 games, 47 pts = .61

I’m sure I could go find any number of players on many teams that would show fluctuations in scoring during the season.

I’m sure the grind of the NHL season wore on him as a rookie. I also don’t think him playing up and down the lineup helped.

I have posted this too many times to go over it in great detail again, but here’s Heinen’s game log:

Danton Heinen 2017-18 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

12 pts in his first 20 (.60 ppg)

19 pts in his next 20 (.95 ppg)

8 pts in the next 20 (.40 ppg)

8 in his next 17 (.47 ppg)


You can post the numbers however you want, but in the end, the fact remains that Heinen had nearly 50 pts as a rookie, and he finished the season playing better than he had in the previous quarter.

I'm not going to suger-coat his production by calling it a fluctuation. When it drops by over half and stays that way for a longer period than the preceding period where he did have good production, it's not a fluctuation, it's a drop-off.

No doubt the grind took it's toll. As did moving up and down the line-up. Heck, a full-season alongside Riley Nash I'm surprised he had the production that he did have, given the black-hole that is Riley Nash.

I'm not trying to knock him, I think he's a pretty good young player. But he's struggled to produce for awhile now, fact not opinion.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'm on board with this. Sam Bennett has my vote.

A center who can play and brings a little nasty at times. Bennett would be nice. As a change of scenery could be just what he needs.

I do agree the Bruins need another top center if they plan on going far this yr in the playoffs. Ideally it would be nice to attain one who also has the potential to eventually become a 2nd line Center down the road. Like Bennett.

I’d prefer Bennett over Anderson, and I think it would make a lot more sense for the Bruins to make that trade.

 

[LouJersey]

Josh Anderson is a lot more finesse than people think IMO... He's not exactly a hits machine, and not a great fighter by any stretch. He does skate well for his size...not a great shot either, but can be productive. I would like him on the Bruins, but I think Heinen is an overpay for him. I also see Anderson has a 3W as his ceiling. No way is he top 6 caliber.

 

[Ratty]

If we get Josh Anderson, what happens to all our centers in Providence? They all need another year of seasoning, but what about the next few years? Seems like it would make us better now, but block our development.

Anderson is not going to block any of our Providence centers.

 

[ON3M4N]

I’m willing to bet that Anderson puts up more goals than Heinen does this year. Ferland too.

I would probably be willing to bet that too lol. Why? well because Anderson is more of a scorer and Heinen a setup man...

Points Breakdown
Anderson - 60% Goals / 40% Assists
Heinen - 34% Goals / 66% Assists

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I’m willing to bet that Anderson puts up more goals than Heinen does this year. Ferland too.

Given their current usage, probably a safe bet, but things change. Also, Ferland is a UFA, while Heinen will be under control for a number of seasons.

Weren’t you the one that just said it’s not about the points? But it IS about the goals?

I’m confused.

 

[BruinDust]

He's playing on McDavid's wing and still posting underwhelming numbers. And looking at the numbers, he doesn't seem to be a positive addition to the line with McDavid, they scored at a better clip and had better possession number when RNH wasn't on the ice with McDavid. Even if I am overrating Heinen, still wouldn't trade him for RNH, especially at $6M for 3 more seasons.

A 30-goal, 60+ point pace isn't underwhelming in the slightest.

RNH's contract is quite good if he can continue to produce the way he has lately. 6 million per is a pretty good number for today's marketplace if he's posting 30/30 over 82 games.

 

[Sheppy]

Given their current usage, probably a safe bet, but things change. Also, Ferland is a UFA, while Heinen will be under control for a number of seasons.

Weren’t you the one that just said it’s not about the points? But it IS about the goals?

I’m confused.

Don’t be confused.

I’m just adding in the fact that they won’t be as far off in points as people seem to think. People are seriously making this out like Heinen absolutely trumps these guys when in fact, he doesn’t trump a guy like Ferland who has a 20+ goal season under his belt, and 6 point already this year and is trending upward much like Anderson is.

For me it’s not necessarily about points, but let’s not say these guys are Noel Acciari. That’s just plain dumb.