Josh Anderson is 24 years old. He's a RW'er making little money. Has a lot of intangibles that make up a solid winger. I'd take him over Heinen. Just my opinion.
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Josh Anderson is 24 years old. He's a RW'er making little money. Has a lot of intangibles that make up a solid winger. I'd take him over Heinen. Just my opinion.
If scoring 47 pts as a rookie while being asked to play on all four lines is “pedestrian”...sign me up for a bunch of pedestrian players.
Tell me how good Heinen was in the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs. Heck, tell me how good he is this year to start. His stat line is really impressive this year. Great 2nd line option.
I really hope Heinen can get his game together he came up last year a man possessed and fell off a lot, if he can regain the form he showed when he first came up last year he is a solution to our top 6 wing issue big time, but I don't know what happened. I assumed he wore himself out but hasn't shown that game since.
GloryDaze4877
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Condescending?
More like very accurate.
If I go back and look at your post history, I would find a number of posts espousing this sort of trade. Heinen is a better player, period. As another poster has pointed out in detail, Anderson has lesser numbers than Backes the last couple of years. If I’m going to trade Heinen or Bjork, I would like it to be for an impact player, not a 24 year old that gets outperformed by Backes in the categories he’s supposed to be good at.
Backes at 24-30 was a heck of a hockey player. Josh Anderson won't have the career numbers that Backes has/had. This is all true. But if you give me a 24 year old player that plays the way Backes used to play I take him all day over the sleepy Heinen.
GloryDaze4877
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Until Saturday, he had a better stat line than DeBrusk, who has been cemented at 2nd line LW regardless of his play.
Must be nice to have that sort of continuity.
Are you comparing Debrusk and Heinen? If so, you need a nice cold drink. Debrusk was a beast in the playoffs last year. Debrusk is and will be the better hockey player by a wide margin going forward.
Mainehockey33
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His highest assist total so far is 11, which doesn’t really give me confidence he’s a top 6 forward.
Sheppy
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It's not accurate though.Condescending?
More like very accurate.
If I go back and look at your post history, I would find a number of posts espousing this sort of trade. Heinen is a better player, period. As another poster has pointed out in detail, Anderson has lesser numbers than Backes the last couple of years. If I’m going to trade Heinen or Bjork, I would like it to be for an impact player, not a 24 year old that gets outperformed by Backes in the categories he’s supposed to be good at.
Go back and find my posts. I have said i would have given Virtanen a shot, but not once were Heinen/Bjork in that trade appraisal.
I don't think Heinen is as valuable to this team as you, and that's fine.
TCB
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Most diffidently a case where the stats didn't tell the story. Debrusk was involved getting chances,creating chances and back checking relentlessly. Debrusk has earned his top six role with-out question and was snake bitten in the first few games, you new it was just a matter of time before he broke through.
With Bjork, Donato and Heinen its a battle for the next spot and unfortunately one bad game your sitting or dropped down a line or two and its the next guy up. Its a long season and hopefully the competition makes all three better because if that the case the Bruins should have three very strong lines going forward.
Sheppy
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Oh, absolutely. Backes at 24-30 was damn good and damn effective. He isn't though, and unfortunately he will be on a severe decline and the Bruins will be paying him 6 million for 3 more seasons.
GloryDaze4877
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Heinen: 77 games, 47 pts = .61
I’m sure I could go find any number of players on many teams that would show fluctuations in scoring during the season.
I’m sure the grind of the NHL season wore on him as a rookie. I also don’t think him playing up and down the lineup helped.
I have posted this too many times to go over it in great detail again, but here’s Heinen’s game log:
Danton Heinen 2017-18 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com
12 pts in his first 20 (.60 ppg)
19 pts in his next 20 (.95 ppg)
8 pts in the next 20 (.40 ppg)
8 in his next 17 (.47 ppg)
You can post the numbers however you want, but in the end, the fact remains that Heinen had nearly 50 pts as a rookie, and he finished the season playing better than he had in the previous quarter.
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If we get Josh Anderson, what happens to all our centers in Providence? They all need another year of seasoning, but what about the next few years? Seems like it would make us better now, but block our development.
ON3M4N
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Only in Boston would fans do fans want to trade a better player for a worse one....because they don't like his style of play.
Heien - .53 P/GP
Anderson - .41 P/GP
What really bothers me though, is Anderson was a PITA to sign after what, 96 games and a whopping 34 points.
Heien - .53 P/GP
Anderson - .41 P/GP
What really bothers me though, is Anderson was a PITA to sign after what, 96 games and a whopping 34 points.
Sheppy
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I think Anderson would be a much better fit for the Bruins, especially for a playoff run. I still don't think this team is built for a deep playoff run, unfortunately.
Seems like everyone is super caught up on this whole points thing. I get it, Heinen may be better offensively, but i think overall Anderson simply brings more to the table. I'd trade Heinen for Ferland in a heartbeat as well (this was laughed at by quite a few people)
GloryDaze4877
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Just my opinion, but Donato (based on his preseason) should have been in PRO. I’m a believer in competition, but I’m also a believer in some semblance of continuity. I’m not a fan of rotating three players for two spots on alternating nights.
As far as DeBrusk goes, he earned his spot in the Top 6 as the season went on, but he was handed it (based on nothing substantive) to begin the season. The same for Bjork with 37 and 63.
Comparing the supposed difference in “effort” between DeBrusk and Heinen is pointless imo. They are apples and oranges as far as style goes. DeBrusk is faster and more aggressive, so his play will always be more noticeable, even if he’s not playing well.
My greater point was that Heinen played a large role in the B’s success last season despite not being afforded the type of continuity DeBrusk was. I was hoping that this year that wouldn’t be the case, but so far, it hasn’t been.
Mainehockey33
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A problem I have with this is that it’s a clear downgrade in offense. Anderson would most likely be playing with a slow, aging Backes and I’m not sure it would work out. Also Anderson isn’t a passer so if he’s not scoring he’s basically a 4th line player. Too many red flags, this isn’t Nathan Horton 2.0.
ON3M4N
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What else does Anderson bring? Hitting? What specifically does this guy bring that bridges/surpasses a nearly 20pt gap in production between he and Heinen.
TCB
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I think it would be a pretty fair trade.Heinen is a well rounded young player and Anderson is a big mobile power right-winger who can put the puck in the net.
I would really like to see him on the right side with Krejci and Debrusk and place him in front of the net on the 2nd pp unit. His stats would most diffidently increase and the Bruins could really use the heavy game he brings up front.
GloryDaze4877
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I wouldn’t do that now, despite Ferland’s hot start.
It’s not about the points for me. Again, I believe that Heinen is a better hockey player, period. He can play effectively on lines 1-4, on the PP, on the PK and is a 3 zone player.
The only thing Anderson does better is hit, so saying he “brings more to the table” is not accurate, no matter how many times you say it.
Sheppy
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Aggressiveness, not afraid to go into the corners, not afraid to cause a ruckus in front of the net and mix it up. The guy hits very hard, and is a heavy guy with a pretty good shot. He doesn't get knocked off the puck easily, either. I've watched Anderson for a while now, and think he has some good offensive upside.
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TCB
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Anderson is not a 4th line player. He can skate and score as well as win puck battles in the corner. I don't see where its even close to being a down grade offensively. I actually feel it'll be an up grade. As I think he'll be a 20-25 goal scorer on the Bruins and he'll add toughness and an edge to a line-up that needs that combination ,which was clearly evident in the playoff loss vs the Lightning.
ON3M4N
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As I read your description of what he brings, there was one name that instantly popped in my head....Noel Acciari.
Now is Anderson more offensively gifted than Acciari? yes, but by how much? Career Avg's put their Projected 82 games points at....
Acciari - 12pts
Anderson - 33pts
Danton Heinen seems like an awful lot to give up for a guy whose really Acciari with a better offensive skill set.
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