Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals II

[Dr Hook]

If I'm Chiarelli I wouldn't even pick up the phone for an offer like that on RNH. Just awful.

Would you pick up the phone just to laugh in Don's face if called with an offer like that? I would

 

[The don godfather]

Would you pick up the phone just to laugh in Don's face if called with an offer like that? I would

Ok I'll try again jeez when we gave up Hamilton we got nothing. Boy things are expensive. How about heinan Bjork and zboril? That's as much as I can give for nuge. I'd really like him on our team 3 c.

 

[Ratty]

Would you pick up the phone just to laugh in Don's face if called with an offer like that? I would

That would be his ear. Unless, of course, they're doing Skype.

How about Krug and Heinen for RNH and a second rounder?

 

[Dr Hook]

That would be his ear. Unless, of course, they're doing Skype.

How about Krug and Heinen for RNH and a second rounder?

Bah semantics But yeah that is getting closer. I'd do it, not sure if that would be EDM's valuation though- I feel like they would ask for more than that, but that is a good offer.

 

[kdog82]

I saw somewhere on here that a few posters wouldn't trade Heinen for Josh Anderson straight up. My question is why are you guys so high on Heinen? He's good, yes but he goes games where I do not hear his name. Very pedestrian type of player who I would trade in a second for Anderson. Anderson also shoots right which the Bruins need on the wing.

Debrusk-Krejci-Anderson

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I think that I’d be willing to give up a guy who does the same thing as a few others for a guy who brings an element that the team doesn’t have.

At the end of the year would Heinen or Bjork have more points than Anderson, probably...but IMO Anderson’s impact on the lineup may be more valuable.

Admittedly, I’m not very high on Bjork right now.

Not saying he’s going to bust or anything, but I have concerns about his durability, toughness and truculence, so to speak.

I just think that the top 6 ——Krejci’s line specifically, needs some physicality.

It’s not about points.

Bjork and Heinen are just better hockey players than Anderson. And imo Anderson is not a Top 6 player. He’s a 3rd liner when he’s playing to his potential and a 4th liner when he’s not.

As I said before, I like Anderson. I have him on my SIM league team. However, this talk of inserting him on Krejci’s wing by default kind of reminds me of some of us thinking Beleskey could be a Top 6 player.

I would trade Bjork or Heinen for a legit Top 6 guy you could put on Krejci’s wing (allowing the B’s to keep 63-37-88 together).

Anderson is not that guy.

 

[maxl7]

It’s not about points.

Bjork and Heinen are just better hockey players than Anderson. And imo Anderson is not a Top 6 player. He’s a 3rd liner when he’s playing to his potential and a 4th liner when he’s not.

As I said before, I like Anderson. I have him on my SIM league team. However, this talk of inserting him on Krejci’s wing by default kind of reminds me of some of us thinking Beleskey could be a Top 6 player.

I would trade Bjork or Heinen for a legit Top 6 guy you could put on Krejci’s wing (allowing the B’s to keep 63-37-88 together).

Anderson is not that guy.

But muh size and truculence!

Anderson seems like a good player, but I'm not sure he's a difference-maker. I'd prefer the Bruins focus on finding a versatile player who can play center (3C at least to start, ideally someone who could play higher) as insurance in case JFK and/or Frederic and Studnicka never get there. Center is going to be the real pain point for this team if those guys don't meet or exceed their expected ceilings.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Krug scores about as many points as Nugent Hopkins does. And he’s a dman (which typically hold more value). I’d say their value is as equal as it gets.

If Gryzlek can hold down that position then maybe moving Krug becomes an option. 5 games into the season is not a large enough sample size in my opinion.

 

[Sheppy]

I saw somewhere on here that a few posters wouldn't trade Heinen for Josh Anderson straight up. My question is why are you guys so high on Heinen? He's good, yes but he goes games where I do not hear his name. Very pedestrian type of player who I would trade in a second for Anderson. Anderson also shoots right which the Bruins need on the wing.

Debrusk-Krejci-Anderson

I would 100% do Heinen for Anderson.

 

[Mainehockey33]

It’s not about points.

Bjork and Heinen are just better hockey players than Anderson. And imo Anderson is not a Top 6 player. He’s a 3rd liner when he’s playing to his potential and a 4th liner when he’s not.

As I said before, I like Anderson. I have him on my SIM league team. However, this talk of inserting him on Krejci’s wing by default kind of reminds me of some of us thinking Beleskey could be a Top 6 player.

I would trade Bjork or Heinen for a legit Top 6 guy you could put on Krejci’s wing (allowing the B’s to keep 63-37-88 together).

Anderson is not that guy.

I wasn’t going to be the one that compares him to Beleskey because I haven’t watched him play much, but the stats and play style are similar. No way I’d give Anderson the Beleskey type deal he’ll be looking for next.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

I saw somewhere on here that a few posters wouldn't trade Heinen for Josh Anderson straight up. My question is why are you guys so high on Heinen? He's good, yes but he goes games where I do not hear his name. Very pedestrian type of player who I would trade in a second for Anderson. Anderson also shoots right which the Bruins need on the wing.

Debrusk-Krejci-Anderson

I don't understand what you mean when you say Heinen is a "very pedestrian type of player"

 

[kdog82]

I don't understand what you mean when you say Heinen is a "very pedestrian type of player"

Looks like he's sleep walking. Not engaged. Some people call him cerebral, I call him pedestrian. Again, I think he's good but pulls way too many Houdini's. If Josh Anderson isn't scoring he's hitting, causing ruckus. He seems to be engaged far more than Heinen.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Looks like he's sleep walking. Not engaged. Some people call him cerebral, I call him pedestrian. Again, I think he's good but pulls way too many Houdini's. If Josh Anderson isn't scoring he's hitting, causing ruckus. He seems to be engaged far more than Heinen.

At his best (so far) he's equal to a maligned declining David Backes...

2016-17:

Backes: 17-21-38, 225 hits
Anderson: 17-12-29, 147 hits

2017-18:

Backes: 14-19-33, 137 hits in 57 games
Anderson: 19-11-30, 109 hits in 63 games

In other words, would you give up Heinen for current Backes? didnt think so

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Looks like he's sleep walking. Not engaged. Some people call him cerebral, I call him pedestrian. Again, I think he's good but pulls way too many Houdini's. If Josh Anderson isn't scoring he's hitting, causing ruckus. He seems to be engaged far more than Heinen.

If scoring 47 pts as a rookie while being asked to play on all four lines is “pedestrian”...sign me up for a bunch of pedestrian players.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I would 100% do Heinen for Anderson.

Of course you would.

You probably would have dealt Heinen for ANA Beleskey, Zack Kassian, Virtanen and any number of other Bottom 3 guys because they were physical and could score 10 goals too.

Am I right?

 

[weaponomega]

If I'm Chiarelli I wouldn't even pick up the phone for an offer like that on RNH. Just awful.

Really? I wouldn't trade Heinen 1 for 1 for RNH. He's extremely overrated, hasn't progressed at all since his rookie season, often injured and is making $6M.

 

[BruinDust]

Really? I wouldn't trade Heinen 1 for 1 for RNH. He's extremely overrated, hasn't progressed at all since his rookie season, often injured and is making $6M.

Well he's Edmonton's best winger now. Since being shifted to the wing he's been essentially a 30 goal, 60 point player. He's also a good two-way player, kills penalties and plays on the PP. He's progressed plenty since his rookie year, he's just not that really high-end offensive force he was expected to be, but he's still a very good player.

Packages that offer up Zboril and Senyshyn, two guys with very little trade value at this point is comical.

If I could get RNH for Heinen I'd drive Heinen to the airport myself.

Your really underrating RNH and severely overvaluing Heinen here.

 

[Sheppy]

Of course you would.

You probably would have dealt Heinen for ANA Beleskey, Zack Kassian, Virtanen and any number of other Bottom 3 guys because they were physical and could score 10 goals too.

Am I right?

You're so god damn condescending that it's legitimately hilarious. Gear down, big rig. We get it, you're a fan of a different style.

I think Anderson is a damn solid piece and he's 24 years old. I don't think he's a Matt Beleskey, and I also wasn't a fan of that signing and nowhere did I say to trade Heinen for Virtanen or Kassian, so yeah, you are indeed wrong. I'm not as high on Heinen as most. I see Anderson as a 3rd line guy who can kind of rotate around at times, very similar to Heinen, just that he adds a bit more size, especially for a playoff run.

 

[BruinDust]

If scoring 47 pts as a rookie while being asked to play on all four lines is “pedestrian”...sign me up for a bunch of pedestrian players.

Heinen's first 37 games last year = 31 points = 0.838 PPG

Heinen's last 53 games = 17 points = 0.321 PPG


That's a pretty severe drop off. He's seen his PPG cut in half since mid-January of last year.

 

[sarge88]

It’s not about points.

Bjork and Heinen are just better hockey players than Anderson. And imo Anderson is not a Top 6 player. He’s a 3rd liner when he’s playing to his potential and a 4th liner when he’s not.

As I said before, I like Anderson. I have him on my SIM league team. However, this talk of inserting him on Krejci’s wing by default kind of reminds me of some of us thinking Beleskey could be a Top 6 player.

I would trade Bjork or Heinen for a legit Top 6 guy you could put on Krejci’s wing (allowing the B’s to keep 63-37-88 together).

Anderson is not that guy.

Fair enough. I just don't see Heinen as a difference maker and certainly not impressed by his playoff performance last year, albeit his first one.

Bjork, the jury is still out, obviously.

I just wonder exactly how many non-physical 185 lb. guys they can continue to fit into the middle 6?

Sometimes it's about the diversity of a lineup, rather than just points.

To me a guy who will probably score 20-23 goals, 20 assists, have over a hundred hits and stand up for teammates can be more valuable than a guy who adds nothing physically and scores 65 points. Depends on the team.

If this were the 2011 Bruins, I'd say they don't need Anderson.

To me, this team could certainly use him, even if it were to replace Heinen or Bjork.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Fair enough. I just don't see Heinen as a difference maker and certainly not impressed by his playoff performance last year, albeit his first one.

Bjork, the jury is still out, obviously.

I just wonder exactly how many non-physical 185 lb. guys they can continue to fit into the middle 6?

Sometimes it's about the diversity of a lineup, rather than just points.

To me a guy who will probably score 20-23 goals, 20 assists, have over a hundred hits and stand up for teammates can be more valuable than a guy who adds nothing physically and scores 65 points. Depends on the team.

If this were the 2011 Bruins, I'd say they don't need Anderson.

To me, this team could certainly use him, even if it were to replace Heinen or Bjork.

They do...his name is Backes.

FYI, 2 of the 3 things you listed Anderson has never done.

 

[Sheppy]

Backes is 35 years old, give me a 24 year old bigger, stronger Josh Anderson any day of the week.

 

[weaponomega]

Well he's Edmonton's best winger now. Since being shifted to the wing he's been essentially a 30 goal, 60 point player. He's also a good two-way player, kills penalties and plays on the PP. He's progressed plenty since his rookie year, he's just not that really high-end offensive force he was expected to be, but he's still a very good player.

Packages that offer up Zboril and Senyshyn, two guys with very little trade value at this point is comical.

If I could get RNH for Heinen I'd drive Heinen to the airport myself.

Your really underrating RNH and severely overvaluing Heinen here.

He's playing on McDavid's wing and still posting underwhelming numbers. And looking at the numbers, he doesn't seem to be a positive addition to the line with McDavid, they scored at a better clip and had better possession number when RNH wasn't on the ice with McDavid. Even if I am overrating Heinen, still wouldn't trade him for RNH, especially at $6M for 3 more seasons.

 

[TCB]

At his best (so far) he's equal to a maligned declining David Backes...

2016-17:

Backes: 17-21-38, 225 hits
Anderson: 17-12-29, 147 hits

2017-18:

Backes: 14-19-33, 137 hits in 57 games
Anderson: 19-11-30, 109 hits in 63 games

In other words, would you give up Heinen for current Backes? didnt think so

Although those numbers are comparable, those are the only similar comparisons between these two players. Anderson is only 24 (Backes 34) and has the ability to get up and down the ice with ease and he has a nasty release . Anderson is a young power forward on the rise and Backes unfortunately is on the decline.

In 16-17 Andersons rookie yr his 17 goals were all at even strength and he was 11th on the jackets for ice time as a forward. Of Backes 17 goals 7 of them came on the PP.

In 2019 the younger Anderson has already netted 3 goals, zero for the ageing Backes. So to answer your question. No I wouldn't trade Heinen for the current David Backes but I would trade him for the current Josh Anderson a young power forward who can skate and put the puck in the net.

 

[Sheppy]

Although those numbers are comparable, those are the only similar comparisons between these two players. Anderson is only 24 (Backes 34) and has the ability to get up and down the ice with ease and he has a nasty release . Anderson is a young power forward on the rise and Backes unfortunately is on the decline.

In 16-17 Andersons rookie yr his 17 goals were all at even strength and he was 11th on the jackets for ice time as a forward. Of Backes 17 goals 7 of them came on the PP.

In 2019 the younger Anderson has already netted 3 goals too zero for the ageing Backes. So to answer your question. No I wouldn't trade Heinen for the current David Backes but I would trade him for the current Josh Anderson a young power forward who can skate and put the puck in the net.

This right here.

I'll bet that Anderson has a better year than Backes does, and i bet he has many more in the future.