Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals II

[Dr Hook]

The salary cap and NMC say ‘no can do ‘.

I imagine Columbus would look at that awful package and say "No Can Do"

 

[bb_fan]

I don’t know what’s worse with you. Your constant strawman arguments or your weak responses when people call you out.

it was one comment.

One response.

you're acting like I went on some sort of rant.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

it was one comment.

One response.

you're acting like I went on some sort of rant.

You are high comedy

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Package, Backes, Krejci, Krug, Rask, for Panarin, Nick Folino and 2-second round draft pick..





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Nope. Even though he's not elite (barely NHL average lately), we don't have anyone to replace Rask. Halak is a nice backup these days, but he's a backup at this point. Plus, multiple NMCs make this a non-starter.

 

[Pia8988]

I'm going to screen shot this thread and compare numbers between Anderson/Ferland and Heinen after this season. I'm actually curious to how close/how far they'll all be.

I bet Ferland does too if he keeps playing with Aho. I'm sure Heinen could put him more points riding next to Bergeron and Marchand instead of bottom 6. Ferland strikes me as one of the better 3rd wheels. Can play up with talent, but can't be the best person on his line. Similar to Namestnikov last year with Kucherov and Stamkos.

 

[BadBruins]

for a 3rd round pick or lower? of course.

but giving up a player that has proven to have much more talent and ability for Anderson because "but hitz!" is dumb.

Anderson is not the type of player you give up any assets of value for.

I disagree.

Anderson gets it done in the scoring department with very little help from the PP, which I like.

Last year Anderson had 18 ES goals in 63 games. Bergeron had 18 in 64. Pastrnak 22 in 82. Not saying they are comparable on any level in the talent department, but there is more than just "hitz".... I'd say a right shooting winger with size and goal scoring ability (specifically 5 on 5), is a big need for this club.

Also can totally see the Beleskey vibe though. He's a 2nd/3rd line RW and paid appropriately, so I don't see the same concern long term. If he gives you what Beleskey did his first year here, that's a job well done.

I think there's an abundance of left shot wingers on this team. I think Bjork and DeBrusk are looked at with a certain regard because of their tools and the pace the play at. Not sure where that puts Donato and Heinen (also Cehlarik). Maybe there's enough room for everyone. I don't have the answer.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Anderson’s 6 pts in his last 23 games last year was ****ing stellar

Makes Heinen look like Gretzky.

Oh, but I forgot, Anderson brings other things to the table.

that's right... when he doesn't score hes still valuable... that's the good thing about having extra dimensions to his game that aren't totally reliant on point totals

a lot of the posters here can make fun of players who have grit and can battle for defense... but it actually does matter. I doubt Anderson would ever develop into a 50 point guy but if he gets streaky hot he might bang home 40 points sometimes... other years he might struggle down around 25ish... but he will still have value

a guy like Heinen if hes only scoring 25 points is not going to keep an nhl job for along time. hes ok defensively and pretty decent for a young guy but his defense wouldn't be enough to keep him in nhl… and sadly he has almost no grit at all. Heinen better damn well hope he becomes a regular 40 point guy and hits that 50 mark a time or two

 

[bb_fan]

You are high comedy

Soo i had to go back thru the last six pages since i made that one comment thinking maybe i did post more and forgott about it.....but i see nada.

Sooooo, not really sure were you are coming from with all that?

If you want, just pm me your issue we can chat.

 

[CellyHard]

Oilers look like the quickest team to make a desperation move..

Jesse Puljujarvi is being completely under-utilized in a bottom 6 role...

Peter Chiarelli and high draft picks....

In all seriousness he would be an interesting buy low candidate. Seems like the knock on him right now is carelessness with the puck.

Screams rookie-ish Pastrnak to me.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I tried to trade for puljurjarvi in my eastside hockey manager keeper league... im with you that hes a great target to gamble on

but honestly, I don't really see the oilers having interest to move him. chances are the coach gets fired soon if they cant turn it around. and then Chiarelli is a 50-50 imo to be allowed to hire the new coach. could easily be a double firing.

I think that happens before they trade a guy like puljujarvi

 

[The Garden]

Who cares about physicality.

I'll take skill every single day.

 

[KrejciWinger]

I side with the Josh Anderson crowd. Would fit with 46 and 74 much better than Heinen. Also woule be the lone physical guy of the young core (Backes, acciari likely gone).

 

[kdog82]

Oilers look like the quickest team to make a desperation move..

Jesse Puljujarvi is being completely under-utilized in a bottom 6 role...

Peter Chiarelli and high draft picks....

In all seriousness he would be an interesting buy low candidate. Seems like the knock on him right now is carelessness with the puck.

Screams rookie-ish Pastrnak to me.

I agree with this. I think Puljujarvi can be had. Would Heinen for Pujuljarvi work?

 

[TCB]

A lot of talk coming out of Toronto how the leafs are in a great position ( which they are) with Nylander being out and them playing so well, to be able to make a move and improve their defense and become even better.

While you could say the same about the Bruins. With Krug out right now and Vaak waiting in the wings down in providence and the Bruins playing so well. They are also in a great situation to explore trade options and hopefully make a significant move.

The nice thing is Sweeney can be patient and be in a wait and see mode and have teams who are struggling come calling. Also its early, you can look no further than last yr, when the Bruins got off to a slow start and then finished as the best team in the league for the last 3-4 mths. So some teams may have the sit and wait approach but hopefully Sweeney is being pro-active and will be able to bring in a top 2nd line forward.

The nice thing is for the first time in a long a time the Bruins seem to be in the driver seat, where other teams will be having Sweeney's number on speed dial.

 

[ON3M4N]

I tried to trade for puljurjarvi in my eastside hockey manager keeper league... im with you that hes a great target to gamble on

but honestly, I don't really see the oilers having interest to move him. chances are the coach gets fired soon if they cant turn it around. and then Chiarelli is a 50-50 imo to be allowed to hire the new coach. could easily be a double firing.

I think that happens before they trade a guy like puljujarvi

Now Puljujarvi is a guy I'd be willing to take a chance on. He's got skill, size and isn't afraid to hit.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Oilers look like the quickest team to make a desperation move..

Jesse Puljujarvi is being completely under-utilized in a bottom 6 role...

Peter Chiarelli and high draft picks....

In all seriousness he would be an interesting buy low candidate. Seems like the knock on him right now is carelessness with the puck.

Screams rookie-ish Pastrnak to me.

One could say that Heinen is also being under-utilized in the Bottom 6?

I don’t see any comparison between Pasta and JP. Physically and stylistically they are completely different players.

Pasta is a kid who fell a bit in the draft and has vastly outperformed his draft position.

JP is a Top 5 pick that has massively underperformed his draft position.

I agree with this. I think Puljujarvi can be had. Would Heinen for Pujuljarvi work?

Shocking. Why not just trade him for a bag of pucks?

What is the reason to deal for Puljujarvi again? Because he’s a RH shot? Because he was the 4th overall pick?

Again, I don’t mind if the B’s trade Heinen, Bjork, or Donato for an impact player.

Puljujarvi is not an impact player.

 

[ON3M4N]

A lot of talk coming out of Toronto how the leafs are in a great position ( which they are) with Nylander being out and them playing so well, to be able to make a move and improve their defense and become even better.

While you could say the same about the Bruins. With Krug out right now and Vaak waiting in the wings down in providence and the Bruins playing so well. They are also in a great situation to explore trade options and hopefully make a significant move.

The nice thing is Sweeney can be patient and be in a wait and see mode and have teams who are struggling come calling. Also its early, you can look no further than last yr, when the Bruins got off to a slow start and then finished as the best team in the league for the last 3-4 mths. So some teams may have the sit and wait approach but hopefully Sweeney is being pro-active and will be able to bring in a top 2nd line forward.

The nice thing is for the first time in a long a time the Bruins seem to be in the driver seat, where other teams will be having Sweeney's number on speed dial.

I'm still not impressed with Toronto this season. They score around 5 goals a game and give up just over 3 goals a game. There schedule hasn't been that difficult and they've faced a lot of below average teams: MTL, OTT, DET to name a few. Their toughest opponent they faced was probably Washington and even they are having a rough start, despite smacking us around in the opener.

 

[TCB]

I'm still no impressed with Toronto this season. They score just over nearly 5 goals a game and give up just over 3 goals a game. There schedule hasn't been that difficult and they've faced a lot of below average teams: MTL, OTT, DET to name a few. Their toughest opponent they faced was probably Washington and even they are having a rough start, despite smacking us around in the opener.

One interseting stat line, is Auston Mathews leads the league with 16 points but going into last night his plus minus was even. After last night he went up to a plus one but once again he was on the ice for the only goal against the leafs.

 

[kdog82]

One could say that Heinen is also being under-utilized in the Bottom 6?

I don’t see any comparison between Pasta and JP. Physically and stylistically they are completely different players.

Pasta is a kid who fell a bit in the draft and has vastly outperformed his draft position.

JP is a Top 5 pick that has massively underperformed his draft position.




Shocking. Why not just trade him for a bag of pucks?

What is the reason to deal for Puljujarvi again? Because he’s a RH shot? Because he was the 4th overall pick?

Again, I don’t mind if the B’s trade Heinen, Bjork, or Donato for an impact player.

Puljujarvi is not an impact player.

Puljujarvi is only 20 years old. His ceiling is higher than Heinen imo. I don't know what the Oilers are doing with the kid but it isn't good. JP lit up the pre-season and as a result they stuck him on line 3 to start the year. I think he would be a great fit in Boston playing with Krejci and Debrusk. His shot is elite and he is a good skater with size. If you think Heinen will have the better career you are out to lunch.

 

[TCB]

Puljujarvi is only 20 years old. His ceiling is higher than Heinen imo. I don't know what the Oilers are doing with the kid but it isn't good. JP lit up the pre-season and as a result they stuck him on line 3 to start the year. I think he would be a great fit in Boston playing with Krejci and Debrusk. His shot is elite and he is a good skater with size. If you think Heinen will have the better career you are out to lunch.

He could be a real good buy low candidate especially with PC in charge over there but I wonder if he actually has the ability to make a move on his own and if he does, he'll be very careful because it could be his last one.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

that's right... when he doesn't score hes still valuable... that's the good thing about having extra dimensions to his game that aren't totally reliant on point totals

a lot of the posters here can make fun of players who have grit and can battle for defense... but it actually does matter. I doubt Anderson would ever develop into a 50 point guy but if he gets streaky hot he might bang home 40 points sometimes... other years he might struggle down around 25ish... but he will still have value

a guy like Heinen if hes only scoring 25 points is not going to keep an nhl job for along time. hes ok defensively and pretty decent for a young guy but his defense wouldn't be enough to keep him in nhl… and sadly he has almost no grit at all. Heinen better damn well hope he becomes a regular 40 point guy and hits that 50 mark a time or two

You are massively underrating Heinen defensively.

He’s much better than Ok, and I believe his defense actually is good enough to keep him in the NHL, even at 25 points. Fortunately for Heinen, he’s already showed he’s not a 25 point NHL player.

As far as “grit” goes, I have had this discussion before. I firmly believe that a good percentage of this board has absolutely no idea what “grit” really is. Sadly, grit could come up and bite half the people on this board in the ass and you wouldn’t recognize it.

What’s grittier, a lighter guy like Heinen going to the boards/corners and to the front of the net...or, a 6’3” 225 pound Anderson with a whopping 326 hits in 164 NHL games (only 109 hits in 63 games last season).

Less than two hits per game now qualifies as “gritty and physical”?? Compare that to the 200 pound Chris Wagner, who has 493 hits in 177 career games (he had 253 hits last year in 79 games). How about Nordstrom, who had two less hits than Anderson last year (he played more games, but 8 minutes less per game).

As Lou pointed out yesterday, Anderson is more of a skill guy than people make him out to be, but don’t let facts stand in the way of an opinion.

The best part will be when the B’s trade Heinen for someone like Anderson, who will then get bashed for underperforming and holding out on his next deal.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Puljujarvi is only 20 years old. His ceiling is higher than Heinen imo. I don't know what the Oilers are doing with the kid but it isn't good. JP lit up the pre-season and as a result they stuck him on line 3 to start the year. I think he would be a great fit in Boston playing with Krejci and Debrusk. His shot is elite and he is a good skater with size. If you think Heinen will have the better career you are out to lunch.

I guess we will have to wait and see?

Sometimes a pig is just a pig, even if you try to dress them up (or draft them 4th overall).

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

You are massively underrating Heinen defensively.

He’s much better than Ok, and I believe his defense actually is good enough to keep him in the NHL, even at 25 points. Fortunately for Heinen, he’s already showed he’s not a 25 point NHL player.

As far as “grit” goes, I have had this discussion before. I firmly believe that a good percentage of this board has absolutely no idea what “grit” really is. Sadly, grit could come up and bite half the people on this board in the ass and you wouldn’t recognize it.

What’s grittier, a lighter guy like Heinen going to the boards/corners and to the front of the net...or, a 6’3” 225 pound Anderson with a whopping 326 hits in 164 NHL games (only 109 hits in 63 games last season).

Less than two hits per game now qualifies as “gritty and physical”?? Compare that to the 200 pound Chris Wagner, who has 493 hits in 177 career games (he had 253 hits last year in 79 games). How about Nordstrom, who had two less hits than Anderson last year (he played more games, but 8 minutes less per game).

As Lou pointed out yesterday, Anderson is more of a skill guy than people make him out to be, but don’t let facts stand in the way of an opinion.

The best part will be when the B’s trade Heinen for someone like Anderson, who will then get bashed for underperforming and holding out on his next deal.

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Trading Heinen for Anderson would be Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes 2.0

 

[GloryDaze4877]

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Trading Heinen for Anderson would be Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes 2.0

Hayes career hits per game: 1.72

Anderson career hits per game: 1.99

I don’t think he’s what people think he is?

Also, quick question. Without looking, guess what Anderson’s ATOI was last season in order to net those 30 pts?

Hint: his 2016-17 season was FAR more productive.

 

[Fenian24]

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Trading Heinen for Anderson would be Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes 2.0

I hope this is hyperbole to try and prove a point, if not it is as incorrect a statement as possible. I can take or leave Heinen, again I feel the Bruins have far to many similar prospects and not enough physical prospects who can play. Look at the numbers last year.

Anderson 6-3-225lbs , 24 years old. 19-11-30 in 63 games. prorated 25-14-39. 107 hits/pro rated 139.

Heinen 6-1-188lbs, 23 years old. 16-31-47 in 77 games. prorated 17-33-50. 45 hits/pr 47.

Anderson is a better skater than Heinen, yes he is grittier, drives the net more and is much more physical. Heinen is a better defensive forward. Bjork, Donato and to a certain point Cehlarik have similar games to Heinen, their is not a forward in the Bruins system who plays like Anderson, which is a need as demonstrated by the performance last year against Tampa.

Put Anderson with a center better than Dubinsky and I'm sure his numbers improve, while not the perfect fit as a number 2 RW he fits the roll better than Heinen, as a third liner he is a great fit.