Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals II

[GloryDaze4877]

I hope this is hyperbole to try and prove a point, if not it is as incorrect a statement as possible. I can take or leave Heinen, again I feel the Bruins have far to many similar prospects and not enough physical prospects who can play. Look at the numbers last year.

Anderson 6-3-225lbs , 24 years old. 19-11-30 in 63 games. prorated 25-14-39. 107 hits/pro rated 139.

Heinen 6-1-188lbs, 23 years old. 16-31-47 in 77 games. prorated 17-33-50. 45 hits/pr 47.

Anderson is a better skater than Heinen, yes he is grittier, drives the net more and is much more physical. Heinen is better a better defensive forward. Bjork, Donato and to a certain point Cehlarik have similar games to Heinen, their is not a forward in the Bruins system who plays like Anderson, which is a need as demonstrated by the performance last year against Tampa.

Put Anderson with a center better than Dubinsky and I'm sure his numbers improve, while not the perfect fit as a number 2 RW he fits the roll better than Heinen, as a third liner he is a great fit.

Put Heinen with a better center than Riley Nash and I’m sure HIS numbers would improve too. He would probably kill for Dubinsky

It works both ways.

Anderson is not the physical monster you are trying to make him out to be. Also, you do know that in order to produce his 30 pts last season, he needed more TOI than David Pastrnak, right?

There is a reason the Jackets only paid him $1.75m.

Also, FWIW, Heinen’s game is nothing like Donato, Bjork, or Cehlarik’s, but keep pushing that agenda.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Hayes career hits per game: 1.72

Anderson career hits per game: 1.99

I don’t think he’s what people think he is?

Also, quick question. Without looking, guess what Anderson’s ATOI was last season in order to net those 30 pts?

Hint: his 2016-17 season was FAR more productive.

This is hilarious and a great find. People think he's this physical specimen that runs around hitting everything because he'll drop the gloves. It all goes back to people thinking a player is tough because he'll fight, and ignoring that theres more to being tough than fighting/hitting.

 

[Fenian24]

Put Heinen with a better center than Riley Nash and I’m sure HIS numbers would improve too. He would probably kill for Dubinsky

It works both ways.

Anderson is not the physical monster you are trying to make him out to be. Also, you do know that in order to produce his 30 pts last season, he needed more TOI than David Pastrnak, right?

There is a reason the Jackets only paid him $1.75m.

Also, FWIW, Heinen’s game is nothing like Donato, Bjork, or Cehlarik’s, but keep pushing that agenda.

They are all very "quiet" players, Bjork being the most active of the group. I know you love Heinen, I really don't feel one way or the other about him, he is the personification of a JAG, I also don't love Anderson, their are a number of "similar" players I would take over him but Anderson may be available, he comes with baggage which concerns me but he would bring something of a physical player at forward who can score which they are now missing.

The other poster comparing Anderson to Jimmy Hayes is pure crazy, Hayes had a reputation of being lazy before he got here, Anderson doesn't. Anderson does have a reputation of being tough to negotiate with and not being easy to coach. Heinen has had a number of healthy scratches so far, including being sent to the minors last year for what could have been looked at as indifferent play. Neither is perfect, one fits better than the other to fill a need.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

They are all very "quiet" players, Bjork being the most active of the group. I know you love Heinen, I really don't feel one way or the other about him, he is the personification of a JAG, I also don't love Anderson, their are a number of "similar" players I would take over him but Anderson may be available, he comes with baggage which concerns me but he would bring something of a physical player at forward who can score which they are now missing.

The other poster comparing Anderson to Jimmy Hayes is pure crazy, Hayes had a reputation of being lazy before he got here, Anderson doesn't. Anderson does have a reputation of being tough to negotiate with and not being easy to coach. Heinen has had a number of healthy scratches so far, including being sent to the minors last year for what could have been looked at as indifferent play. Neither is perfect, one fits better than the other to fill a need.

Let’s not misrepresent what happened. Heinen got “sent down” out of training camp, played extremely well in PRO for a few games, was called back up and never left. He wasn’t sent down for indifferent play, sigh.

The worst thing about this whole exchange is that I do actually like Anderson, but I’m forced to shred him for the purposes of the discussion

I wouldn’t mind him on the B’s at all, I just think Heinen is an overpayment. If the Bruins are giving up a Heinen, Bjork, Donato in a deal, I want better than Anderson coming back.

Now if it was Cehlarik for Anderson, that’s a different story. I would do that in a heartbeat

Cue Blowfish response in 3...2...1...

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Quiet players.... Lmfao.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Quiet players.... Lmfao.

I was going to get into that as well, but this little voice said, just let it go

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I was going to get into that as well, but this little voice said, just let it go

I couldn't let that one go. I don't get that, specifically referencing Bjork for that kind of player. They're quiet because why? They don't muck it up after the whistle? Give me a break. Bjork has shown no issue going into the corners/dirty areas this year. He's been in on the fore-check. Heinen, as we know, doesn't have an issue doing any of this as well. I just think these descriptions of players are terrible. It's terrible that the only reason its said is because they don't drop the gloves.

 

[The don godfather]

sam Bennett is available . how about heinan straight up for him? you think flames bite?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

sam Bennett is available . how about heinan straight up for him? you think flames bite?

You're back on the Sam Bennett train? Where did you see he's available. Nope to this as well. If Heinen is being dealt, I'd prefer better players than Bennett, Virtanen, or Anderson.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I thought the Flames were liking Bennett's game this year. Last year would have been the time to grab him. He would be a good addition. I wonder about Nylander. He played with Pasta in Sweden and they are good friends. Would be his long term center after Bergy retires, they play a similar style and would feed off each other. He could take over the 3rd line and move to the 2nd when Krech moves on. Hate to make the Leafs better but maybe Krug for him. Both teams are doing well without either player. Backes will not be here long, we need a 3rd line center. Just throwing names out there and scenarios. Oilers fans really like JP, not sure we can get him but that would be nice.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I thought the Flames were liking Bennett's game this year. Last year would have been the time to grab him. He would be a good addition. I wonder about Nylander. He played with Pasta in Sweden and they are good friends. Would be his long term center after Bergy retires, they play a similar style and would feed off each other. He could take over the 3rd line and move to the 2nd when Krech moves on. Hate to make the Leafs better but maybe Krug for him. Both teams are doing well without either player. Backes will not be here long, we need a 3rd line center.

I'm going to assume that if Toronto trades Nylander, they're going to want a comparable young big upside defenseman coming back. Krug doesn't fit that description.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I'm going to assume that if Toronto trades Nylander, they're going to want a comparable young big upside defenseman coming back. Krug doesn't fit that description.

I also do not think in reality either trade in division. He is a better talent then some of the other guys. They would probably ask for Carlo or Moore and extras. Those would be the only ones with size that can play in the top 4. We would have to add for sure. Jesse Pulljarjarbinks whatever the spelling lol would be a target but then again Chia may not wanna deal with us.

We are in no rush, things are good right now. Someone may come out of the woodwork in a few weeks or months. For now I would rather see us try what we have in house first before we go outside. I was just thinking how well Pasta and Highlander would skate together, they had success in Europe. That would be a deadly combo to set us up for years. Right now we are doing okay without Krug, Grizz is not bad on the PP, we have Mac and Moore that can do that too. I am a big fan of Krug though.

 

[Saxon Eric]

One could say that Heinen is also being under-utilized in the Bottom 6?

I don’t see any comparison between Pasta and JP. Physically and stylistically they are completely different players.

Pasta is a kid who fell a bit in the draft and has vastly outperformed his draft position.

JP is a Top 5 pick that has massively underperformed his draft position.




Shocking. Why not just trade him for a bag of pucks?

What is the reason to deal for Puljujarvi again? Because he’s a RH shot? Because he was the 4th overall pick?

Again, I don’t mind if the B’s trade Heinen, Bjork, or Donato for an impact player.

Puljujarvi is not an impact player.

I dont get the fascination with other teams underperforming first round picks when he have our own share of underperforming first round picks

 

[GloryDaze4877]

sam Bennett is available . how about heinan straight up for him? you think flames bite?

Link?

I would like to add Bennett, but only if the B’s FO/coaches see him as a center. Not sure I would deal Heinen straight up for Bennett?

 

[compan]

Why do so many of our board's proposals involve us trading the better player? We're supposed to be trying to trade scraps for stars...you know how GMs have traded with the Bruins in the past. Heinen is much better than Bennett with more upside as well, pass every time.

He is pointless 4 games in, once he starts scoring up to pace again I'm sure he will disappear out of proposals.

 

[don]

Fair enough, I'm just simply not sold on him much like you aren't sold on a guy like Ferland/Anderson. That's all.

Why don't you 2 have a private conversation and give the rest of us a break. You've both stated that you like the other guy but you like your guy better. Let it go.

 

[Sheppy]

Why don't you 2 have a private conversation and give the rest of us a break. You've both stated that you like the other guy but you like your guy better. Let it go.

I love how you went back x number of posts to use and say "let it go"

I let it go.

 

[BruinsNetwork]

Sam Bennett?

What has Sam Bennett possibly done in the last three-years to warrant trading a player like Heinen for him? They are both the same height and from what I’ve seen, Heinen is just a more talented player.

Not to mention that when Heinen isn’t producing, he’s usually impacting the game in regards to his defensive plays.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Why do so many of our board's proposals involve us trading the better player? We're supposed to be trying to trade scraps for stars...you know how GMs have traded with the Bruins in the past. Heinen is much better than Bennett with more upside as well, pass every time.

He is pointless 4 games in, once he starts scoring up to pace again I'm sure he will disappear out of proposals.

because truculence

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Sam Bennett?

What has Sam Bennett possibly done in the last three-years to warrant trading a player like Heinen for him? They are both the same height and from what I’ve seen, Heinen is just a more talented player.

Not to mention that when Heinen isn’t producing, he’s usually impacting the game in regards to his defensive plays.

But he's a struggling player, former top 5 pick, just waiting to burst out into the stud he really is. It'll happen in Boston! If this kid, or any of the early bust/struggling picks suggested around here were actual Bruins, people would be screaming for them to be dealt for scraps before they are waiver fodder.

 

[The don godfather]

I dont get the fascination with other teams underperforming first round picks when he have our own share of underperforming first round picks

Yes I know senyshyn he's making me worry.

 

[LSCII]

because truculence

“I don’t know what 'truculent' means, but if it’s good, I’m that!” -Muhammad Ali

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Yes I know senyshyn he's making me worry.

If he busts, he busts. At this point, stop worrying about it lmfao

 

[TCB]

Sam Bennett?

What has Sam Bennett possibly done in the last three-years to warrant trading a player like Heinen for him? They are both the same height and from what I’ve seen, Heinen is just a more talented player.

Not to mention that when Heinen isn’t producing, he’s usually impacting the game in regards to his defensive plays.

Bennett is still only 22 and has looked really good so far this yr. He plays with skill and has some jam. Heinen is good NHL player but lets not get carried away and say he's an over-payment for Sam Bennett.

The Bruins are deep with left-shot wingers and need a young center who has the possibility of being able to fill that 2nd line center roll down the road and Bennett fits the bill.

 

[GlenFeatherstone]

If I’m trading a guy like Heinen or any other young players, I’m moving them for a guy who moves the needle. Anderson and Bennett don’t. Nice players. Wouldn’t hate them on the team. But they don’t move the needle. Mark Stone does. Panarin, who I don’t think is available but is a name frequent in this thread, does. If we are trading our talent I want a guy that is a star. I prefer he be a piece for the long term as well which both players I listed potentially are not(both UFA at seasons end).