Post-Game Talk: bruins @ Rangers

[NYR3]

You might be right but again they aren't here and Chytil is hurt so he's going to play 2nd line center until we find a better option.

They aren't here because they think Strome has some kind of untapped potential. He sucks

 

[Shesterkybomb]

georgie didnt lose it, but he didnt steal a win. Rask stole the win with some incredible saves.

thats the difference. Georgie made every save he is supposed to make. He was 0-3 on hard saves.

We arent getting the amazing saves from either goalie this year as we have in years past. And our lack of scoring is being completely exposed bc of it.

I'm more concerned about our lack of scoring that was basically brought on by players not taking their shots when they were available than the goalie that let 2 goals in regulation and the eventual winner off a breakaway against one of the better teams in the league. 3 things buried us...the Kreider penalty that stole our momentum, the Panarin giveaway and the trouba fall. Take those things away we win in regulation

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Loss isn’t on Georgiev but he wasn’t good. Hasn’t been good all season except for the islanders game where he didn’t have to break a sweat.

Need your goalie to make saves on high danger chances. Felt like each of their best chances ended up in our net. Meanwhile we had a ton of quality chances and Rask stopped then. So just bc a chance is good and players make bad plays to lead to chances doesn’t mean the goalie can’t stop them. We need our goalies to win us games. We can’t have them just being there.

He’s an average goalie. I think people are frustrated bc he’s being treated like he’s more than his play has deserved.

He is an average goalie and an above average backup IMO. He has deserved criticism this year but tonight wasn't one of them. I thought he made some very good saves tonight especially on one of the bruins power plays. He did what a backup goalie is supposed to do, give them an opportunity to win. The real problem is we can't score and the PP sucks.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

They have lost some tough games this year but it has nothing to do with not having backbone. The effort has been there and they have been engaged most games. It has everything to do with players who we absolutely need to score not scoring and at times making stupid plays with the puck and having less the stellar goaltending especially earlier in the year. It all adds up to 4-5-3.

You just described a lack of backbone!

That doesn’t just mean toughness. It means stepping up when the games are close.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

This is starting to seriously remind me of 2012-13. (when do we get the "We don't practice offense" quote from DQ?) They have the horses and top end talent but the coach is stifling the offense. They were an exciting, up tempo team last year. Sure, needed to learn how to keep a lead as a young team but at least they'd pile on goals and keep the pressure on. Now? I don't know what I'm watching. Nobody seems like they want to score. Quinn is going to ruin Kakko and Laf. Get him outta here before it happens.

 

[mike14]

They aren't here because they think Strome has some kind of untapped potential. He sucks

Granlund wasn't leaving NSH and Wennberg and Haula are no better than Strome (and scoring less than Strome), especially if they had to play 2nd line minutes.
The UFA market for centers was crap (I guess we could have taken a flyer on Turris, but I think he's getting healthy scratched in EDM) and I don't think there were many trades to be had.
Strome ain't great, but he ain't the difference, or the main problem, right now

 

[mas0764]

Well we just aren't scoring enough.

Period.

 

[Ruggs225]

I'm more concerned about our lack of scoring that was basically brought on by players not taking their shots when they were available than the goalie that let 2 goals in regulation and the eventual winner off a breakaway against one of the better teams in the league. 3 things buried us...the Kreider penalty that stole our momentum, the Panarin giveaway and the trouba fall. Take those things away we win in regulation

Dont get me wrong, im more worried about of scoring too.

But i am also worried about our goalies lack of making a big save when we need one too.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Unfortunately they are right in that swing zone where they could sneak into the playoffs or be a lottery team - and that’s reflected in the record we see now. They’re missing that extra ability to turn some of the OTLs into Ws.

Right now they’re essentially a team with warning track power.

But I also think there’s a tendency to overlook some really interesting things that are taking shape.

The younger talent looks like it belongs. And even when it doesn’t get on the board, they’re getting chances and creating them too. That Rooney goal owes a lot to Kakko. But it’ll never show up in the box score.

Lafreniere created two prime scoring chances for his teammates. He did everything you could ask him to do in that situation. But it’ll never show up on a box score.

Personally, I think those things are so important because it shows me guys who are capable of doing some cool things at the NHL level. I’d take that over them having several goals each where they play like garbage but get a tip-in. To me, that’s the mirage you gotta watch out for.

The biggest takeaway is that our defensive issues from last year seem to have been worked on and are producing results. Im comfortable with our top 4 d, and Hajek finally looks like he's comfortable back there too. I expect Zib to get going, im hopeful Kreider does, i saw bursts of what makes him effective tonight, and as you say the kids continue to get better. I like the direction we are headed myself.

 

[will1066]

I'm more concerned about our lack of scoring that was basically brought on by players not taking their shots when they were available than the goalie that let 2 goals in regulation and the eventual winner off a breakaway against one of the better teams in the league. 3 things buried us...the Kreider penalty that stole our momentum, the Panarin giveaway and the trouba fall. Take those things away we win in regulation

I agree, though you could also make a case that the no-goal call gave us some momentum and life.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We have to exert more effort, actually, to be playing the way we have. They have taken a much more conscientious approach to defense and more structure and support on the breakouts. It's not woven into their DNA yet, not muscle memory yet, but they'll get there with more games. This effort might be affecting their offense, so there is some merit to sacrificed offense. These last two games, I felt the opposition just outwaited us and outgrinded us to win. These are two highly disciplined and veteran clubs.

This is true. We have definitely sacrificed offense for defense but we have also gotten some grade A chances and not converted. Last year Zibs would have had 10 goals by now and the PP sucks. Games are so close in this division that the little things mean a lot and it's killing this team.

 

[Edge]

They aren't here because they think Strome has some kind of untapped potential. He sucks

To me, Strome is like the antithesis of Lafreniere and Kakko right now.

I look at Ryan Strome and say, “How the hell does he have 4 goals and 6 points right now?”

I look at Kakko or Lafreniere and say, “How the hell does (he) ONLY have (X) goals and points right now?”

 

[Edge]

The biggest takeaway is that our defensive issues from last year seem to have been worked on and are producing results. Im comfortable with our top 4 d, and Hajek finally looks like he's comfortable back there too. I expect Zib to get going, im hopeful Kreider does, i saw bursts of what makes him effective tonight, and as you say the kids continue to get better. I like the direction we are headed myself.

It’s like looking at the frame of a house being built. I can see what the final product is going to resemble. But there’s still a lot of unfinished business and some pretty gnarly looking sections right now.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You just described a lack of backbone!

That doesn’t just mean toughness. It means stepping up when the games are close.

Young teams lose games like this. It has nothing to do with backbone IMO. It has everything to do with not being good enough yet.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I’d like to see the kids get some points but on the bright side our PK has been money lately.

 

[will1066]

Well we just aren't scoring enough.

Period.

The power play is a huge, huge problem. We're at the point where it's a real liability. Shorthanded goals, dangerous shorthanded chances usually coming from pressured errors at the points. On top of not cashing in. Opposing teams recognize our plays always begin at the points. Bring the puck into the zone then work it back to the point either up the wall or diagonally, always trying to go left corner to right point. It's utterly predictable.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Did Quinn say anything about Panarin injury in post game?

 

[will1066]

To me, Strome is like the antithesis of Lafreniere and Kakko right now.

I look at Ryan Strome and say, “How the hell does he have 4 goals and 6 points right now?”

I look at Kakko or Lafreniere and say, “How the hell does (he) ONLY have (X) goals and points right now?”

Both Strome and Panarin, their points are the phantom type which they cashed in on flashes of individual but fleeting brilliance. I don't believe either has played well generally speaking.

 

[Tob]

Both Strome and Panarin, their points are the phantom type which they cashed in on flashes of individual but fleeting brilliance. I don't believe either has played well generally speaking.

I blame Quinn. Seems like those players are comfortable enough to find these offensive situations where as the younger players are still thinking more about not making a defensive mistake. It'll come in time but just how much longer do we have to wait.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He is an average goalie and an above average backup IMO. He has deserved criticism this year but tonight wasn't one of them. I thought he made some very good saves tonight especially on one of the bruins power plays. He did what a backup goalie is supposed to do, give them an opportunity to win. The real problem is we can't score and the PP sucks.

Yeah that’s fair. I just get frustrated bc to me Georgiev is a backup but it seems like Quinn and management think he’s more than that. I just want them to ride Shesty. He’s the starter, he’s much better. Let him get into a starter groove.

I’m honestly much more concerned with the lack of scoring. The PP was abysmal, it’s lost us games this year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Interesting thread here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Our pp is too predictable, we got into this a bit early on last year too where guys weren't moving around. We also need to rotate one of Panarin or Mika up top for a point shot from time to time, its pretty obvious we want the one timer from the left side, the one timer guy cant be just standing there waiting for it, he needs to move from up top to his shooting spot and from time to time let it rip from the point. The only guy moving and creating any deception is fox.

 

[Kovalev27]

The fourth line is significantly better without Brett Howden

basically whatever line he’s on dies

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Rask f***ing dominates us and basically steals 2 points, his team winning with 8 min to play and then forgets the game is tied by the Rangers and leaves the net cause he thinks they are losing.

Can’t make this shit up people.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

To me, Strome is like the antithesis of Lafreniere and Kakko right now.

I look at Ryan Strome and say, “How the hell does he have 4 goals and 6 points right now?”

I look at Kakko or Lafreniere and say, “How the hell does (he) ONLY have (X) goals and points right now?”

Really agree with this. Kakko has looked really, really good for a bunch of games. Lafreniere has been ramping up, had a great third today.

If Panarin is out, I hope Quinn gives us Lafreniere-Strome-Kakko.