Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[tantalum]

Right now it's a battle between Boeser and Garland to see which one is shipped out at the deadline and which one they might take an extra look at for the remainder of the year and perhaps next. So far Boeser is earning the extra look. But one of them has to be moved.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Right now it's a battle between Boeser and Garland to see which one is shipped out at the deadline and which one they might take an extra look at for the remainder of the year and perhaps next. So far Boeser is earning the extra look. But one of them has to be moved.

It should be Boeser shipped out. Garland has a good history with Tocchet and has a better contract.

 

[tantalum]

It should be Boeser shipped out. Garland has a good history with Tocchet and has a better contract.

I think a motivated Boeser is the better and more productive player. I think both contracts bring about the same amount of inefficiency. Garland may have some history with Tocchet but i don't think that means much given there was no real success for the team. I genuinely think every player not named Pettersson, Miller or Hughes are on equal "show me what you can do" footing.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I think a motivated Boeser is the better and more productive player. I think both contracts bring about the same amount of inefficiency. Garland may have some history with Tocchet but i don't think that means much given there was no real success for the team. I genuinely think every player not named Pettersson, Miller or Hughes are on equal "show me what you can do" footing.

Tend to agree. Whoever has greater value should be moved. They both can’t stay

 

[racerjoe]

It also sounds like they absolutely will move Boeser and that is the preference of both sides. It just sounds like the team doesn't want to put itself in a worse spot... which is encouraging to at least hear. Still see how it plays out.

 

[Diversification]

I think its opposite, if he proves that he can sustain this pace then Canucks will be more reluctant to trade him. Now that Horvat is no longer on the roster, their focus should be on fixing the defence. In order to rebuild the defence they have to move money out of the defence which means Myers has to move.

In order to fix the defense, we need to rid ourselves of an overcommitment in salary on the wings and to reallocate it to D. Agreed that Myers also needs to be gone.

 

[Phrasing]

Certainly seems like Kuzmenko has freshly landed in the doghouse and Boeser has been elevated. Tocchet is… something.

 

[bossram]

Certainly seems like Kuzmenko has freshly landed in the doghouse and Boeser has been elevated. Tocchet is… something.

Always important to re-sign a player at his peak value and then proceed to immediately tank his performance!

But in honesty, they are playing this right. If they want to get some value from Boeser, just play him with Petey and on the 1PP for the rest of the season and let him juice his numbers. This is what I said should've been the plan from the beginning.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

ahh yes, never sell high. The Canuck way.

Trade both Boeser and Myers then. What you're seeing right now is Brock playing at his playoff pace while everyone else on the ice is cruising along at regular season pace, and he still looks slow(but yes effective) doing it lol

His agent or Canucks management have likely told him to go all out if he wants to impress other teams for a trade.

Well duh.

How can you retool if you keep bad players and trade players with value?

You trade bad players out and refill the spots with elite players through UFA and off we go to multiple cups.

 

[Canucks LB]

Certainly seems like Kuzmenko has freshly landed in the doghouse and Boeser has been elevated. Tocchet is… something.

Considering the deadline is in 21 days, I see no issue with this

 

[Tables of Stats]

Here's an off-the-wall idea. Could it make sense to trade Boeser with retention for Puljujarvi and a mid-round pick? We're basically swapping negative assets but we save on term and the Oilers get a top-6 winger that they desperately need.

 

[DFAC]

Here's an off-the-wall idea. Could it make sense to trade Boeser with retention for Puljujarvi and a mid-round pick? We're basically swapping negative assets but we save on term and the Oilers get a top-6 winger that they desperately need.

No real interest in Pulju.. would rather just get a higher pick instead and save cap

 

[Tables of Stats]

No real interest in Pulju.. would rather just get a higher pick instead and save cap

The issue is that we're going to need to eat a contract to move Boeser, that's just the reality of the league. So this at least gets us an asset we can walk away from or resign on the cheap this offseason. Most other trades will likely get us stuck with term coming back.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

I found myself looking at the 2015 draft stats, seeing how Brock was drafted 23rd, and then sorting the players for point totals in that draft year, Brock is at 10th on the list. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Brock fan, I still think he's just to slow at everything, but credit where credits due he gets points, from 23rd drafted and 10th on the list in points with less games played as well due to injuries, it's not bad tbh.

2015 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

 

[SKYOcc]

Need to find a 3rd team to retain % of Boeser's contract, the Wild can pay a pick for that.

Boeser to Wild
Wild pick to some team for % retention.
Greenway+Addison to Canucks.

 

[gringo]

Countdown until we hear “my contract sucks” uttered by Brock?

 

[Get North]

Right now it's a battle between Boeser and Garland to see which one is shipped out at the deadline and which one they might take an extra look at for the remainder of the year and perhaps next. So far Boeser is earning the extra look. But one of them has to be moved.

Boeser is definitely the better hockey player. Garland is more of a $3-4M player, 2nd/3rd line tops. Boeser is a bonafide top 6 player that can score 30 goals, he's better on the walls and a more effective player.

This team is going to be mediocre until they look up and figure out a plan to beat Colorado or Edmonton. Those teams have the best players in the world on their roster and we're going to need an incredible 23 man roster to defeat that. Not by Pettersson and Hughes that's for sure.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Well, Allvin isn’t beating around the bush

 

[Get North]

Well, Allvin isn’t beating around the bush

He wants to make the playoffs in the 2023-24 season, but he's ready to trade Boeser and Miller who are top 3 forwards on this roster. So what's the plan? Pettersson needs a new contract after next year..

All these guys have been through Benning and then Allvin... Green to Boudreau to Tocchet. The last time they made the playoffs was under Benning/Green. We were running the Lotto line (6-40-9). With Horvat anchoring a 2nd line, and Virtanen/Gaudette/Roussel/Sutter/Motte/ in the bottom 6...

Meh, I don't see anything happening next year. They have Hronek-Myers as the 1-2 at RD for next season. If Myers gets traded, it's even worse. It's not our era, probably Edmonton/Vegas/LA run the west for the next 2-3 years..

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Countdown until we hear “my contract sucks” uttered by Brock?

Wish my contract sucked

 

[MS]

He wants to make the playoffs in the 2023-24 season, but he's ready to trade Boeser and Miller who are top 3 forwards on this roster. So what's the plan? Pettersson needs a new contract after next year..

All these guys have been through Benning and then Allvin... Green to Boudreau to Tocchet. The last time they made the playoffs was under Benning/Green. We were running the Lotto line (6-40-9). With Horvat anchoring a 2nd line, and Virtanen/Gaudette/Roussel/Sutter/Motte/ in the bottom 6...

Meh, I don't see anything happening next year. They have Hronek-Myers as the 1-2 at RD for next season. If Myers gets traded, it's even worse. It's not our era, probably Edmonton/Vegas/LA run the west for the next 2-3 years..

Boeser is at best the 6th best forward on this roster. Pettersson, Kuzmenko, Miller, Beauvillier, Garland are all better.

 

[Get North]

Boeser is at best the 6th best forward on this roster. Pettersson, Kuzmenko, Miller, Beauvillier, Garland are all better.

This season sure. Don't see what Beauviller and Garland are doing better other than effort... Which is a credit to them, they are workhorses but it doesn't make them more efficient. Boeser is a better player and I don't even think he's been trying all that hard.. He doesn't even play PP minutes since Kuzmenko took his spot.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Well, Allvin isn’t beating around the bush

Love it. About time the organization called out Brock for his lack effort. Now that it’s clear he has no value they should explore placing him on waivers to see if we can unload him that way. Other teams have the balls to do it

Boeser is at best the 6th best forward on this roster. Pettersson, Kuzmenko, Miller, Beauvillier, Garland are all better.

You are being far too generous

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Not sure if effort is Boesers issue. When you're a step behind everything it can just look that way.

 

[Kryten]

Boeser is trying harder under Tocchet have to give him that. He is outplaying Garland. Beauvillier has slowed down but still has nice passes and is in the right spots