Player Discussion Brock Boeser - Brock Around the Clock

[Nucky]

It makes sense to keep Horvat for a retool. It doesn't make sense to pay Horvat an inflated salary because he's gone HAM in his contract year. Gotta bite the bullet, especially after they prioritized Miller.

Not ideal, but these are the circumstances.

And yeah, I really don't know where the D-men we need will come from in such short order. This is likely where the retool fails barring a few rabbits out of the hat.

So we'll see if this management team can walk the walk.

All I can say is Godspeed then, either you overpay Bo by 1M-2M or you spend the next 2 years chasing your tail trying to replace him before eventually admitting defeat.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I look forward to the relentless “let’s trade our wingers for a good Center” fantasy trade proposals from the re-tool bros once Horvat is gone.


Followed by the eventual JR quote and media narrative:

“Good centers are hard to find”

They're going to force Miller to be a C.

I'm cautiously optimistic but he showed the ability to play C last year.

They're going to do an internal fix at that position before they try exploring trades.

 

[Nucky]

They're going to force Miller to be a C.

I'm cautiously optimistic but he showed the ability to play C last year.

They're going to do an internal fix at that position before they try exploring trades.

That's what they've essentially put all their chips on, especially if Horvat gets dealt. If Miller shows that he isn't really an effective 5v5 top 6 center then they've dug their own grave.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

More like reality bro, because I too want a proper rebuild but nothing I say can change that.

So we do our best to play the cards we are dealt.

But yes, we will need another good center once Horvat is gone. I never liked Sutter but it's clear we've lacked a checking center since his departure.

Not that I see how any of this is relevant to signing Kuzmenko.

If we are to contend right now, we should move our top10 pick unless we get Bedard with it.
That pick will do nothing for the smallish window to contend we will have.

Buyout OEL and deal with the consequences few years down the road. Move our top10 pick for (a) right-now piece(s).

Make the playoffs these next two, maybe three seasons and cross your fingers.

Then deal with the consequences later.

 

[Nucky]

If we are to contend right now, we should move our top10 pick unless we get Bedard with it.
That pick will do nothing for the smallish window to contend we will have.

Buyout OEL and deal with the consequences few years down the road. Move our top10 pick for (a) right-now piece(s).

Make the playoffs these next two, maybe three seasons and cross your fingers.

Then deal with the consequences later.

This. Overpay Bo to keep him, buyout OEL and start shopping picks and a guy like Lekkermaki

That's your best shot at a re-tool.

 

[JohnHodgson]

This. Overpay Bo to keep him, buyout OEL and start shopping picks and a guy like Lekkermaki

That's your best shot at a re-tool.

Paying Bo 8M for him to crash back down to earth and score 60 points is absolutely not the way to re-tool.

That's not re-tooling... that's literally running back the same roster and expecting different results.

Re-tooling actually requires the team to change significant players. Re-signing Horvat does nothing for this team right now.

That's what they've essentially put all their chips on, especially if Horvat gets dealt. If Miller shows that he isn't really an effective 5v5 top 6 center then they've dug their own grave.

That's their gamble and it's 50/50 to be honest.

Miller was great last year as a 1C. I have confidence he can at least be a 2C, even if it means less production.

If he can score 20 goals, 65 points, while being a 2C with acceptable two-way play, that's not great for 8M but only overpaid by about a million at that point.

 

[Nucky]

Paying Bo 8M for him to crash back down to earth and score 60 points is absolutely not the way to re-tool.

That's not re-tooling... that's literally running back the same roster and expecting different results.

Re-tooling actually requires the team to change significant players. Re-signing Horvat does nothing for this team right now.

I don't believe he's a 60 point center if he's given top 6 5v5 minutes and PP1 time. He's closer to a 70-80 point center that's a beast in the faceoff dot. 102 points in his last 117 games.

Also this team's best center this season at zone exits.

You think this team will improve by trading him?

 

[kanucks25]

If we are to contend right now, we should move our top10 pick unless we get Bedard with it.
That pick will do nothing for the smallish window to contend we will have.

Buyout OEL and deal with the consequences few years down the road. Move our top10 pick for (a) right-now piece(s).

Make the playoffs these next two, maybe three seasons and cross your fingers.

Then deal with the consequences later.

This. Overpay Bo to keep him, buyout OEL and start shopping picks and a guy like Lekkermaki

That's your best shot at a re-tool.

I mean sure, if the right asset comes along.

But again the problem is, who is trading what we're looking for?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I mean sure, if the right asset comes along.

But again the problem is, who is trading what we're looking for?

We cant be too picky.

We need to get what we can for the asset. Time is not on our side.

 

[arttk]

I'm still holding out hope that this team will be in shambles from the Bo trade and no one will want to trade them a good dman for their pricey wingers so I'm hoping they suck enough again next year for someone else from the Aquillini family to step in and call for a rebuild or defer to JR who hopefully has the brains/balls/patience to rebuild. That's really our best hope here.

Because a re-tool that starts off by trading Horvat sounds dumb as shit to me.

You trade Bo because we can’t have both Bo and Miller declining at the same time dragging down like 15-16M worth of cap. You can have one guy aging and in several years start to underperform relative to contract. If you have two big piece underperforming then your window is toast.

Trading Bo is the example of step back to move forward type of move.

Miller I guess will be the 2C taking soft matchups to rack up points. The ideal center they need in the short term is a 3C that can take matchup min, I suppose those are easier to find.

I don’t understand why you guys are so fixated on super short term performance. Yeah they want to retool, but the window is based around Petey and Hughes. I suppose their goal is to get to a solid enough base to continue to improve on for the remainder of Petey and Hughes contracts. The goal is not to throw everything in to max out wins for like 2-3 years.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

You trade Bo because we can’t have both Bo and Miller declining at the same time dragging down like 15-16M worth of cap. You can have one guy aging and in several years start to underperform relative to contract. If you have two big piece underperforming then your window is toast.

Trading Bo is the example of step back to move forward type of move.

Miller I guess will be the 2C taking soft matchups to rack up points. The ideal center they need in the short term is a 3C that can take matchup min, I suppose those are easier to find.

I don’t understand why you guys are so fixated on super short term performance. Yeah they want to retool, but the window is based around Petey and Hughes. I suppose their goal is to get to a solid enough base to continue to improve on for the remainder of Petey and Hughes contracts. The goal is not to throw everything in to max out wins for like 2-3 years.

OEL, Myers, Boeser and now JTM, aren't we already toast?

Even if we shed Myers this summer somehow, that is still 3. We still have some inefficient contracts (not big pieces but doesn't help) ie: Garland/Pearson/Poolman. Granted, the latter 2 might be LTIRetire.

You can survive and even compete with one or maybe 2 bad contracts, you can absolutely not if you have more than that though, unless you can get a rookie McDavid giving you like $10m value surplus on his ELC. We don't.

 

[arttk]

OEL, Myers, Boeser and now JTM, aren't we already toast?

Even if we shed Myers this summer somehow, that is still 3. We still have some inefficient contracts (not big pieces but doesn't help) ie: Garland/Pearson/Poolman. Granted, the latter 2 might be LTIRetire.

You can survive and even compete with one or maybe 2 bad contracts, you can absolutely not if you have more than that though, unless you can get a rookie McDavid giving you like $10m value surplus on his ELC. We don't.

Myers has 1 year left after this. We won’t worry about him declining at the same time as Miller because well he has already declined but he won’t be here 3-4 years down the road when Miller starts his decline.

OEL I don’t think is considered as a long term piece and he needs to be removed at some point, I think they will have to buy him out because it’s hard to imagine anyone wanting to take on that contract.

If you listen to what Seravalli has said recently, there are interest in Boeser and we know management wants to move him so I don’t see him as an issue long term wise.

My point is that, long term, like the next 7 years, who do we have signed long term that will decline at the same time. Right now you have JT projected to decline around 3-4 years. We simply cannot have another big contract player decline at the same time JT will. That will kill the whole window.

Like if we don’t get rid of Boeser, Myers by this off-season then I think we will need to revisit the convo. I don’t think management intends to keep them and I think a lot of you guys assumption is that they want to keep them or they won’t be able to get rid of them.

 

[gringo]

Boeser to waivers? I can’t believe a team trades anything for this guy at his cap hit.

 

[VanJack]

Kuzmenko's agent on Donnie and Dhali, indicating that a two-year 'bridge deal' might be in the cards. He predicts the salary cap could rise to $90 million in a few years.

Apparently Kuzmenko loves it in Vancouver......and only a complete breakdown in contract talks would cause him to leave.

This is all encouraging.....but is tempered by the realization that the Canucks are shelling out close to $6m a season for Boeser, who now desperately needs a new home. But it's doubtful with his cap hit, if the Canucks can trade him without taking salary back.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

looking back at the BBB line way back when, it sure looked like we had a future stalwart two way second line center and an elite one shot sniper.

but since then it’s been like a slow morphing of those two pre-petey/hughes building blocks into the movie twins. where one guy got everything: the skating, the shot, the fitness, the strength. and boeser became danny devito. if only our evil team medical staff had put all the good stuff in the guy we extended for $20 mill…

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Brock Boeser has earned himself a thread bump. Great game tonight.

 

[arttk]

Brock plugging it with a 4 point might. Hopefully he goes on a tear and some GM will pay us something good for him.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Boeser to waivers? I can’t believe a team trades anything for this guy at his cap hit.

Eh the thing is he's young and can score.

He's now at 10 goals and 25 assists for 35 points in 44 games in what might be his worst season of play.

He's only 25.

Ya the Canucks might need to eat $2 mil but I can totally see a team taking him at $4.5 mil for 2 years, absolutely.

 

[gringo]

Eh the thing is he's young and can score.

He's now at 10 goals and 25 assists for 35 points in 44 games in what might be his worst season of play.

He's only 25.

Ya the Canucks might need to eat $2 mil but I can totally see a team taking him at $4.5 mil for 2 years, absolutely.

I wouldn’t eat $2 I’d rather lose him for free

 

[arttk]

I wouldn’t eat $2 I’d rather lose him for free

You are missing the, we will get something of value if we eat some salary.

 

[RutherPlan]

Brock has 18 points in his last 19 games now

 

[oceanchild]

Brock has 18 points in his last 19 games now

It would be a really good time for him to heat up and put up some points

 

[Nucky]

Brock has 18 points in his last 19 games now

I love it. perfect timing.

 

[RutherPlan]

I love it. perfect timing.

I think its opposite, if he proves that he can sustain this pace then Canucks will be more reluctant to trade him. Now that Horvat is no longer on the roster, their focus should be on fixing the defence. In order to rebuild the defence they have to move money out of the defence which means Myers has to move.

 

[Nucky]

I think its opposite, if he proves that he can sustain this pace then Canucks will be more reluctant to trade him. Now that Horvat is no longer on the roster, their focus should be on fixing the defence. In order to rebuild the defence they have to move money out of the defence which means Myers has to move.

ahh yes, never sell high. The Canuck way.

Trade both Boeser and Myers then. What you're seeing right now is Brock playing at his playoff pace while everyone else on the ice is cruising along at regular season pace, and he still looks slow(but yes effective) doing it lol

His agent or Canucks management have likely told him to go all out if he wants to impress other teams for a trade.