TSN: Brendan Shanahan named President of Toronto Maple Leafs

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Because this team's issues are for deeper then needing another executive guy sitting on his butt trying to find answers.

I'm not saying it won't help but with the crap we have witnessed over the last 3 years, on top of this disarray of crap on the ice, bringing onboard someone that has zero experience in a front office is hard for me to be excited about.

Whatever floats your boat though.

Also, I knew they would bring in a president, but I thought it would be after the playoffs. Shanahan still had a job and a duty to do and the playoffs are a busy time for suspensions.

These issues were never going to be resolved overnight, this is just the 1st step.
Whether Shanahan turns out to be the correct 1st step remains to be seen, at least he's a hockey guy setting the direction not a Richard Peddie clone.

As for the timing, I imagine the NHL would want Shanahan's replacement to work the entire Playoffs and the Leafs couldn't wait that long to bring someone in with the Draft and Free Agency being so close to the end of the Playoffs.
 
So, we've got a good figurehead at the helm now. What does this actually mean?

I am skeptical.
 
Interactif, when you make your arguments for "winning" over "style points" who do you imagine is on the other side of that debate? does that side include Randy Carlyle?
 
This whole DeBoer thing is overblown.

Aaron Ward merely suggested he's a coach Shannahan is a fan of, and his contract is up at the end of the season. That's basically it.
 
These issues were never going to be resolved overnight, this is just the 1st step.
Whether Shanahan turns out to be the correct 1st step remains to be seen, at least he's a hockey guy setting the direction not a Richard Peddie clone.

As for the timing, I imagine the NHL would want Shanahan's replacement to work the entire Playoffs and the Leafs couldn't wait that long to bring someone in with the Draft and Free Agency being so close to the end of the Playoffs.

Fletcher is a hockey guy, Burke is a hockey guy, Nonis is a hockey guy, Poulin is a hockey guy, Loiselle is a hockey guy,
 
Deboer in his first year at Florida brought a bad Panthers team within a tie breaker of making the playoffs with 94 points.

He brought a mediocre Devils team to the Stanley Cup final 2 years ago.

He's a very capable coach.

Not the most exciting teams, but the teams are well coached, and play a back pressure, more defensive style.

After years of run and scramble, I am ready for more structured hockey.

I look fwd to Kessel with 60 points and more winning. I am ready for Kadri with 40 points but making the playoffs.

Winning > Style points

Deboer with Spott, a natural fit. But then again I also like Willie Desjardin.

Yes, you very clearly know very little about Pete Deboer. Firstly, Deboer isn't a "defensive coach." He's known for an aggressive forecheck, pursuing the puck, and largely perimeter offense. He said it himself when he was hired in NJ: my goal is to add to this defensive system already established in NJ with my aggressive forecheck to generate more goals (it didn't work).

In his 6 year career Deboer has missed the playoffs 5 times. Even in the year he made the playoffs and we went to the Cup we were nearly eliminated 3 times. Even Marty argued that throughout the year we were mediocre.

Deboer's system encourages mediocrity. Everything about it encourages mediocrity. Grinding and poking at the puck and cycling and shots from the perimeter - all of that means you'll be playing a lot of 1-0 2-1 games. Which is not always good. You'll beat the Bruins 2-1 but you'll lose to the Sabres 2-1. Every game against any team is a bout of mediocrity.

On top of that, his personnel decisions are mind-boggling. He will bench any of your hotshot prospects for his "grinders." Steve Bernier will be on your PP. He will go to Toronto with him because he's been on every single on of Debo's teams. Thank you. Enjoy losing games but "competing." Enjoy losing games but "not having puck luck."

And, oh yea. Lemaire took a lesser Devils team on to have the best record in the NHL after he was hired the year before. That team had Parise, Kovy, Elias and a hot goalie. It wasn't mediocre. It had Henrique and Zubrus playing well. Zajac playing well. It wasn't "mediocre."

Deboer never got "the best" out of any of his teams in NJ. There's a reason why he's the only coach in the Lou era to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. He has one 5 games all season (in 38 tries) when trailing by one goal. His system allows no creativity. There's no margin for making up goals. Nothing. It's a mediocre grind all game.

I'll say this before you get him, just like I said it before you got Clarkson, you'll regret it.
 
He brought a mediocre Devils team to the Stanley Cup final 2 years ago.

That's the year they still had Parise, Kovalchuk and Clarkson had 30 goals.

I think we have similar talent (but not as good as Parise and Kovalchuk) that could get the job done. I don't think I'd mind DeBoer coaching the Leafs.
 
Yes, you very clearly know very little about Pete Deboer. Firstly, Deboer isn't a "defensive coach." He's known for an aggressive forecheck, pursuing the puck, and largely perimeter offense. He said it himself when he was hired in NJ: my goal is to add to this defensive system already established in NJ with my aggressive forecheck to generate more goals (it didn't work).

In his 6 year career Deboer has missed the playoffs 5 times. Even in the year he made the playoffs and we went to the Cup we were nearly eliminated 3 times. Even Marty argued that throughout the year we were mediocre.

Deboer's system encourages mediocrity. Everything about it encourages mediocrity. Grinding and poking at the puck and cycling and shots from the perimeter - all of that means you'll be playing a lot of 1-0 2-1 games. Which is not always good. You'll beat the Bruins 2-1 but you'll lose to the Sabres 2-1. Every game against any team is a bout of mediocrity.

On top of that, his personnel decisions are mind-boggling. He will bench any of your hotshot prospects for his "grinders." Steve Bernier will be on your PP. He will go to Toronto with him because he's been on every single on of Debo's teams. Thank you. Enjoy losing games but "competing." Enjoy losing games but "not having puck luck."

And, oh yea. Lemaire took a lesser Devils team on to have the best record in the NHL after he was hired the year before. That team had Parise, Kovy, Elias and a hot goalie. It wasn't mediocre. It had Henrique and Zubrus playing well. Zajac playing well. It wasn't "mediocre."

Deboer never got "the best" out of any of his teams in NJ. There's a reason why he's the only coach in the Lou era to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. He has one 5 games all season (in 38 tries) when trailing by one goal. His system allows no creativity. There's no margin for making up goals. Nothing. It's a mediocre grind all game.

I'll say this before you get him, just like I said it before you got Clarkson, you'll regret it.

Carlyle 2.0
 
Yes, you very clearly know very little about Pete Deboer. Firstly, Deboer isn't a "defensive coach." He's known for an aggressive forecheck, pursuing the puck, and largely perimeter offense. He said it himself when he was hired in NJ: my goal is to add to this defensive system already established in NJ with my aggressive forecheck to generate more goals (it didn't work).

In his 6 year career Deboer has missed the playoffs 5 times. Even in the year he made the playoffs and we went to the Cup we were nearly eliminated 3 times. Even Marty argued that throughout the year we were mediocre.

Deboer's system encourages mediocrity. Everything about it encourages mediocrity. Grinding and poking at the puck and cycling and shots from the perimeter - all of that means you'll be playing a lot of 1-0 2-1 games. Which is not always good. You'll beat the Bruins 2-1 but you'll lose to the Sabres 2-1. Every game against any team is a bout of mediocrity.

On top of that, his personnel decisions are mind-boggling. He will bench any of your hotshot prospects for his "grinders." Steve Bernier will be on your PP. He will go to Toronto with him because he's been on every single on of Debo's teams. Thank you. Enjoy losing games but "competing." Enjoy losing games but "not having puck luck."

And, oh yea. Lemaire took a lesser Devils team on to have the best record in the NHL after he was hired the year before. That team had Parise, Kovy, Elias and a hot goalie. It wasn't mediocre. It had Henrique and Zubrus playing well. Zajac playing well. It wasn't "mediocre."

Deboer never got "the best" out of any of his teams in NJ. There's a reason why he's the only coach in the Lou era to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. He has one 5 games all season (in 38 tries) when trailing by one goal. His system allows no creativity. There's no margin for making up goals. Nothing. It's a mediocre grind all game.

I'll say this before you get him, just like I said it before you got Clarkson, you'll regret it.

THANK YOU.

DeBoer is not the coach I want anywhere near my young, developing team.
 
Yes, you very clearly know very little about Pete Deboer. Firstly, Deboer isn't a "defensive coach." He's known for an aggressive forecheck, pursuing the puck, and largely perimeter offense. He said it himself when he was hired in NJ: my goal is to add to this defensive system already established in NJ with my aggressive forecheck to generate more goals (it didn't work).

In his 6 year career Deboer has missed the playoffs 5 times. Even in the year he made the playoffs and we went to the Cup we were nearly eliminated 3 times. Even Marty argued that throughout the year we were mediocre.

Deboer's system encourages mediocrity. Everything about it encourages mediocrity. Grinding and poking at the puck and cycling and shots from the perimeter - all of that means you'll be playing a lot of 1-0 2-1 games. Which is not always good. You'll beat the Bruins 2-1 but you'll lose to the Sabres 2-1. Every game against any team is a bout of mediocrity.

On top of that, his personnel decisions are mind-boggling. He will bench any of your hotshot prospects for his "grinders." Steve Bernier will be on your PP. He will go to Toronto with him because he's been on every single on of Debo's teams. Thank you. Enjoy losing games but "competing." Enjoy losing games but "not having puck luck."

And, oh yea. Lemaire took a lesser Devils team on to have the best record in the NHL after he was hired the year before. That team had Parise, Kovy, Elias and a hot goalie. It wasn't mediocre. It had Henrique and Zubrus playing well. Zajac playing well. It wasn't "mediocre."

Deboer never got "the best" out of any of his teams in NJ. There's a reason why he's the only coach in the Lou era to miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. He has one 5 games all season (in 38 tries) when trailing by one goal. His system allows no creativity. There's no margin for making up goals. Nothing. It's a mediocre grind all game.

I'll say this before you get him, just like I said it before you got Clarkson, you'll regret it.

You've succeeded in scaring me ****less.
 
"Sportsnet's wannabe insiders" were the ones that broke this story.

Kypreos was first to mention Shanahan's name on Wednesday and Cox broke the news of the deal being done.

Yea I'm talking about Chris Johnson (not kyper) who said nonis will remain as gm and still get the final word on all hockey decisions which is completely false.
 
Don't worry Lou will re-sign him. His system is so good at ensuring any team he coaches is mediocre we won't even be able to tank for McDavid next year.
 
This has been a very difficult and trying time for Leaf nation, enduring epic collapses and endless disappointment and suffering in support.

Hopefully Shanny is the light at the end of the tunnel that is the beginning of a new era in Leaf nation and better times ahead.
 
This has been a very difficult and trying time for Leaf nation, enduring epic collapses and endless disappointment and suffering in support.

Hopefully Shanny is the light at the end of the tunnel that is the beginning of a new era in Leaf nation and better times ahead.

Amen
 
This has been a very difficult and trying time for Leaf nation, enduring epic collapses and endless disappointment and suffering in support.

Hopefully Shanny is the light at the end of the tunnel that is the beginning of a new era in Leaf nation and better times ahead.

Well Shanahan grew up in the NHL hockey.

Nonis played college hockey, more just an administrator. Burke was a 1 year AHL player and then went into administration.

Shanahan knows what goes on in the trenches.
 
This whole DeBoer thing is overblown.

Aaron Ward merely suggested he's a coach Shannahan is a fan of, and his contract is up at the end of the season. That's basically it.

It is being overblown, I agree, but he connection is there though and it makes sense.

I'm still not sure if he's a great fit just yet. I hope they go through a lengthy interview process. There are some interesting names out there that may be better choices.
 
Well Shanahan grew up in the NHL hockey.

Nonis played college hockey, more just an administrator. Burke was a 1 year AHL player and then went into administration.

Shanahan knows what goes on in the trenches.

I hope you're right.

I'm concerned that Shanahan seemed really inconsistent as the NHL punishment guy, and the last thing we need is an inconsistent President.

But he knows hockey, so we will see. I'm not sure I have another 47 years to wait. :-(
 
This has been a very difficult and trying time for Leaf nation, enduring epic collapses and endless disappointment and suffering in support.

Hopefully Shanny is the light at the end of the tunnel that is the beginning of a new era in Leaf nation and better times ahead.

I guess I just expect there will be periods of history in which the team I cheer for will not do well. Evidence would suggest that such a period can easily last 80-100 years.
 
So from what I have read, is that DeBoer isn't a good coach because he can't get the Devils to score?? The Devils have played one goal games since the late eighties!! Nothing has changed with Devils, they play like that win or lose. As for DeBoer I don't know if he is the guy but anyone at this moment would be better than what we have seen from the coaching the past 4 seasons or more
 
Is their not one of our ALUMNI that could be as good a candidate for the position? Lanny, Darryl, Mats, Börje... etc.

I'm not sold on Shanahan. Is he just a TROLL for the Detroit organization, or, the other 29 NHL teams in general? Can WE trust him to do everything to BRING us a Stanley Cup? Is he just a way for the NHL to monitor and control our franchise?

I just hope Shanny does some real good, and complete, SPRING CLEANING! The LOSERS need to identified, and CHOPPED!
 
I'd give it a shot. I can't remember the last time we had a structured defensive system.

If we can cut down our goals against, have our players say Kessel

score 60 points but is much better defensively.

JVR 50 points better defensively.

Kadri with a 40 point season but better defensively.

I would be for this, if these players can play this way. If they can't we may have to look to changing players.

Winning is the goal, for me. Only way to do this is change direction and become better defensively.

However, I have a feeling the stats watchers here prefer points for favorite players over winning.
 

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