TSN: Brendan Shanahan named President of Toronto Maple Leafs

[X66]

Interactif, when you make your arguments for "winning" over "style points" who do you imagine is on the other side of that debate? does that side include Randy Carlyle?

Find me stats in the last 4 years where it showed Carlyle had a good puck possession stat?

He's regressed so badly as a coach it's not even funny.

 

[Joey Hoser]

I'm not sold on Shanahan. Is he just a TROLL for the Detroit organization, or, the other 29 NHL teams in general? Can WE trust him to do everything to BRING us a Stanley Cup? Is he just a way for the NHL to monitor and control our franchise?

You're not serious are you?

 

[KuleminFan41]

This team needs a coach who will employ the trap

 

[rojac]

Is their not one of our ALUMNI that could be as good a candidate for the position? Lanny, Darryl, Mats, Börje... etc.

I'm not sold on Shanahan. Is he just a TROLL for the Detroit organization, or, the other 29 NHL teams in general? Can WE trust him to do everything to BRING us a Stanley Cup? Is he just a way for the NHL to monitor and control our franchise?

Really?

Wow. Talk about stretching.

 

[mydnyte]

I'd give it a shot. I can't remember the last time we had a structured defensive system.

Pat Burns

 

[timlap]

This has been a very difficult and trying time for Leaf nation, enduring epic collapses and endless disappointment and suffering in support.

Hopefully Shanny is the light at the end of the tunnel that is the beginning of a new era in Leaf nation and better times ahead.

The current collapse was hard to endure and it has (understandably) caused the discussion on these boards to approach hysteria. But I think the light at the end of the tunnel appeared a long time ago. When fans get over the disappointment, many will see that the Leafs have several things going for them. Their list of assets, imo, has greatly improved over the past 5 seasons.

Is Shanahan a good choice? I have no idea. How can anyone know? But he has played a major role in the hockey world and his network of connections to other hockey people is likely to be impressive. That's important, I think. I imagine he is well respected.

And personally I think Nonis is a good GM, but I don't think it's a one man job anymore. Successful teams appear to be operating with a strong management team who work together on hockey decisions, and so there is plenty of room for Shanahan to fit in.

 

[Ed Belfour]

If we can cut down our goals against, have our players say Kessel

score 60 points but is much better defensively.

JVR 50 points better defensively.

Kadri with a 40 point season but better defensively.

I would be for this, if these players can play this way. If they can't we may have to look to changing players.

Winning is the goal, for me. Only way to do this is change direction and become better defensively.

However, I have a feeling the stats watchers here prefer points for favorite players over winning.

I don't understand why you think it's one or the other. Why are we unable to find a coach who allows players to play to their strengths inside of a structured system? Is it completely unfathomable for you for a coach to employ a strong system and still watch our PPG winger put up 80 points? Or is this just another pathetic attempt to rationalize certain players only putting up ~40 points in between two elite players?

 

[SprDaVE]

This team needs a coach who will employ the trap

No. We don't need to trap. We just need to have a clue how to play in our own zone, not just slap the puck around and hope it gets over the blue line, or have the wingers past the blue line before the defender even has the puck.

The trap doesn't help us if we can't even exit our zone without looking like a pee-wee house league team.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Pat Burns

Great coach, best ever IMO.

We had one scoring line, Gilmour, and players in all the right roles.

Our defence was one of the collective best in the NHL, no stars just all in collective sync. Bob Rouse was a tower of power those 2 years, no one ever mentions him. Traded air head Iafrate for him and Zezel.

A workmanlike team as opposed to flash.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I don't understand why you think it's one or the other. Why are we unable to find a coach who allows players to play to their strengths inside of a structured system? Is it completely unfathomable for you for a coach to employ a strong system and still watch our PPG winger put up 80 points? Or is this just another pathetic attempt to rationalize certain players only putting up ~40 points in between two elite players?

Question, you think the 26th GA current system and its players can win a cup?

 

[ACC1224]

Fletcher is a hockey guy, Burke is a hockey guy, Nonis is a hockey guy, Poulin is a hockey guy, Loiselle is a hockey guy,

Ok? Not sure what your point is.

 

[Igy]

Is their not one of our ALUMNI that could be as good a candidate for the position? Lanny, Darryl, Mats, Börje... etc.

I'm not sold on Shanahan. Is he just a TROLL for the Detroit organization, or, the other 29 NHL teams in general? Can WE trust him to do everything to BRING us a Stanley Cup? Is he just a way for the NHL to monitor and control our franchise?

I just hope Shanny does some real good, and complete, SPRING CLEANING! The LOSERS need to identified, and CHOPPED!

 

[pspot]

Great coach, best ever IMO.

We had one scoring line, Gilmour, and players in all the right roles.

Our defence was one of the collective best in the NHL, no stars just all in collective sync. Bob Rouse was a tower of power those 2 years, no one ever mentions him. Traded air head Iafrate for him and Zezel.

A workmanlike team as opposed to flash.

Funny I've quoted Gilmour at the hockey classic about 10 times about how the first thing Burns told him was that he needed to be the hardest working player in practice

Was in criticism of Kessel so people probably don't want to see it

 

[Al14]

You're not serious are you?

Well, yes and no! I'm concerned that Shanahan is not the best choice for the position. He has to have a little compassion, and love in his heart, for the franchise where he had so much success as a player. No?

 

[CerebralDevil]

If we can cut down our goals against, have our players say Kessel

score 60 points but is much better defensively.

JVR 50 points better defensively.

Kadri with a 40 point season but better defensively.

I would be for this, if these players can play this way. If they can't we may have to look to changing players.

Winning is the goal, for me. Only way to do this is change direction and become better defensively.

However, I have a feeling the stats watchers here prefer points for favorite players over winning.

I totally agree with you on this!!!! Even though it's the Boston, LA, and STL way of playing systematic hockey but it's easy for every player to feel like they are contributing and it wins championships

 

[Ed Belfour]

Question, you think the 26th GA current system and its players can win a cup?

Our current system is garbage. I would rather wins than stats. Let's just get that that out of the way before you manage to avoid the question again.

I'm honestly curious, do you think it's impossible to have a good coach run a strong system defensively while also allowing our creative players to be themselves? Limiting an explosive player like Kessel is just as stupid as playing 0 defense...I just don't see why you think it has to be one or the other.

You seem to view it as a choice...either nobody puts up numbers and we win, or everyone goes for "flash" as you like to call it, and we lose. I couldn't give less of a crap about these guys' stats if we were winning, but if we had a good coach who could employ a strong defensive system while allowing the offensive guys to do their thing, I don't see how this is such a problem for you.

 

[ULF_55]

Question, you think the 26th GA current system and its players can win a cup?

The team sucks.

Are people still thinking this is a good team?

So is it the players or the highly regarded coaches?

The players didn't make up the team, management did.

Management either made mistakes with the coaches or the players.

It isn't the fault of a GM who was fired over 6 years ago!!!!

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

If we can cut down our goals against, have our players say Kessel

score 60 points but is much better defensively.

JVR 50 points better defensively.

Kadri with a 40 point season but better defensively.
I would be for this, if these players can play this way. If they can't we may have to look to changing players.

Winning is the goal, for me. Only way to do this is change direction and become better defensively.

However, I have a feeling the stats watchers here prefer points for favorite players over winning.

It's cute because you actually think Kadri would play.

 

[Just Rude]

Yea I'm talking about Chris Johnson (not kyper) who said nonis will remain as gm and still get the final word on all hockey decisions which is completely false.

How do you know? Do you even know who Chris Johnston is? He is certainly not some rookie, or a "wannabe."

He is new to Sportsnet and TV, but he was CP's lead hockey writer for years. You'd be surprised by how many people know and respect him.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

How do you know? Do you even know who Chris Johnston is? He is certainly not some rookie, or a "wannabe."

He is new to Sportsnet and TV, but he was CP's lead hockey writer for years. You'd be surprised by how many people know and respect him.

like i said before, i will take the tsn insiders' word over chris johnson.

 

[X66]

It's cute because you actually think Kadri would play.

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Peter DeBoer, who coached Kadri in Kitchener: "This is the type of kid you win championships with."

 

[hullsy47]

How do you know? Do you even know who Chris Johnston is? He is certainly not some rookie, or a "wannabe."

He is new to Sportsnet and TV, but he was CP's lead hockey writer for years. You'd be surprised by how many people know and respect him.

nonis needs help period .....he doesnt deserve final say on anything .if he gets the chance he ll overpay bolland ,nonis wont have final say ,he has a boss ,so shape up your team or get out ..which means coaches ,scouts ,trainers etc ........i doubt nonis gets fired ,but he has a boss .nonis dont like it he can walk .....dave nonis aint no sam pollock ...or even stan bowman or peter chiarelli

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Funny I've quoted Gilmour at the hockey classic about 10 times about how the first thing Burns told him was that he needed to be the hardest working player in practice

Was in criticism of Kessel so people probably don't want to see it

You are very astute. Yes, he made a point of this.

Gilmour said if you are not going to play defence for Pat Burns, you are not going to play. Period.

When your best player says this, and is your best defensive player, it sticks.

Brilliant concept!

 

[Ari91]

Is their not one of our ALUMNI that could be as good a candidate for the position? Lanny, Darryl, Mats, Börje... etc.

I'm not sold on Shanahan. Is he just a TROLL for the Detroit organization, or, the other 29 NHL teams in general? Can WE trust him to do everything to BRING us a Stanley Cup? Is he just a way for the NHL to monitor and control our franchise?

I just hope Shanny does some real good, and complete, SPRING CLEANING! The LOSERS need to identified, and CHOPPED!

Are you being serious?

That's akin to saying that Stamkos is a troll for the Leafs because he grew up a Leafs fan but if you look at him play especially against Toronto, he's not exactly going easy on our team. If Shanahan fails, it's unlikely that it's because he's some undercover operative for the Red Wings. More likely it'll be because he just can't handle the job.

 

[ULF_55]

Mike ZeisbergerVerified account
‏@Zeisberger
Peter DeBoer, who coached Kadri in Kitchener: "This is the type of kid you win championships with."

How long ago, and when did the winning start?