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Brad Doty said:
Yeah, Fasching reminds me of Doan and Landeskog, guys who have the kind of running-back thing going for them. But as others have said, position of strength to position of need, and McNabb is no slouch himself.
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Don't sell him short judge, he's a TREMENDOUS slouch. ;)

Just kidding, I think McNabb can and will be a solid NHL player but he was left behind by the emergence of other defensive prospects in Buffalo's system. On the left coast, LA's roster is notoriously difficult to crack for young skilled forwards and doesn't figure to get any easier anytime soon. This is a pretty square deal on it's merits both teams dealt from positions of strength to bolster positions of weakness. Only time will tell who truly won, won't know for certain for at least 4 years.
 
How can we do anything but applaud this trade?!!! I mean seriously people, get real. We just traded a project (des) + a 4th round project (still in a freshman in the NCAA) for an nhl ready 4-6 dman and TWO second round draft picks! Holy crap...am I crazy?.. This is lombardi at his best


Jeez..even if Fasching the NCAA beast becomes an Nhl beast in 2-3 years! This trade by value is ridicolously in the kings favour.
 
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Went down a McNabb Youtube wormhole last night after some bourbon.

Pretty strange that scouting reports say he needs to get meaner. I see a guy who steps up for his teammates, looks for huge open ice hits and has a couple questionable hits on his resume. Some of these hits are pretty devastating, including one on Kyle Beach that made me smile and warranted a few rewinds.

While he is a LHS and Teubert is a RHS, I think Dean has been desiring a Teubert type as he mentioned he and the scouts identified McNabb years ago as someone to watch. He broke out his favorite "tame a tiger/paint stripes" saying in regards to this trade which I believe is the same thing he said about Teubert.

It's crazy comparing the stats of these two players while knowing Teubert was taken 13th overall in a crazy deep draft for defensemen and McNabb was a 3rd rounder the following year. Dean really wants that defenseman with size who can play the game while also maybe changing the outcome of a game/series with a crushing hit: I hope he got it right this time.
 
BigKing said:
Went down a McNabb Youtube wormhole last night after some bourbon.

Pretty strange that scouting reports say he needs to get meaner. I see a guy who steps up for his teammates, looks for huge open ice hits and has a couple questionable hits on his resume. Some of these hits are pretty devastating, including one on Kyle Beach that made me smile and warranted a few rewinds.

While he is a LHS and Teubert is a RHS, I think Dean has been desiring a Teubert type as he mentioned he and the scouts identified McNabb years ago as someone to watch. He broke out his favorite "tame a tiger/paint stripes" saying in regards to this trade which I believe is the same thing he said about Teubert.

It's crazy comparing the stats of these two players while knowing Teubert was taken 13th overall in a crazy deep draft for defensemen and McNabb was a 3rd rounder the following year. Dean really wants that defenseman with size who can play the game while also maybe changing the outcome of a game/series with a crushing hit: I hope he got it right this time.
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Odds are more in his favor this time since McNabb is further along in the development process and has been an AHL all-star.

Did you see any highlights of McNabb that would allow you to rate his ability to move the puck? His assist numbers indicate that he is probably a good passer. Anyone else have any insight on him as a puck mover?
 
stokes84 said:
Sabres fan. Where did these two fit into your prospect rankings? Thanks.
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Hi Stokes,

We just had 2 midseason rankings come out, one from MayorsManor and one from HockeysFuture.

The quotes below come from MayorsManor.

Nick:

He’s been one of the most improved players throughout the entire organization. Bringing a rare combination of size, speed, skill, and physicality, there’s a lot to like in this prospect. He boasts one of the best shots in Manchester, while also showing slick hands, allowing him to score highlight reel goals. His hits often rock the boards and he’s also shown himself to be a willing combatant when opposing players show their displeasure with his physical play. On top of showing to be a very good forward, Deslauriers still mans the point on the powerplay, giving him an added dimension when he eventually tries to crack the NHL roster. With all the positives, the biggest negative is his defensive work.
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Hudson:

This player is the sexiest name on the entire list. Calm down ladies, we’re not talking Jeff Carter or Jarret Stoll wall-poster sexy; we’re simply referring to him being the talk of the NHL scouting community. There are only a handful of other prospects in the entire NHL right now with as much buzz as this kid currently has going.
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http://mayorsmanor.com/2014/02/la-kings-2014-mid-season-prospect-rankings-the-countdown-begins/
 
Herby said:
God, I hope not.
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Haha. Of course, I mean what he was supposed to be and not what he wound up being.

McNabb wound up putting up bigger numbers in the WHL and never got sent to the ECHL. AHL all-star as well.

Just saying Dean wants that Marchment player that makes other teams fear crossing the blueline. He doesn't want a knuckle-dragger but rather a guy that can play the game while having that "snarl".

A meaner Matt Greene type but with better puck skills. We know he loves Orpik: he wants that type of guy and, at 6 foot 5, even better.

As for his passing ability, it appears he played the point in Kootenay and in Rochester. I think his first NHL goal was on the power play as well. From what I saw, he probably couldn't be any worse than Stoll on the point.
 
stokes84 said:
Sabres fan. Where did these two fit into your prospect rankings? Thanks.
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That's a tough one, because the last rankings that were done, Deslauriers only had a handful of games at LW. And Fasching was just
drafted in June. I don't think Fasching ever came to LA, after the draft.
He missed the Summer camp, as he had a school commitment, or something. (or USA Hockey camp? I can't recall) Usually, when players come to the Summer camp, they get zoned in what it takes to be a pro and the conditioning regimen and given a program to follow and that helps propel them, going back to their junior program...so, I was blown away that Hudson started off at Minnesota with a point per game start and has continued that pace. AND, without playing on the PP. If you search his stats, you will see that most or all of his points are even strength and he's among the nation's leaders in even strength points! That's crazy, since he's a Freshman. He's a beast at 6'2" 213 and doesn't turn 19 until July, I think. He's may end up being 6'4" and 230...or at least 6'3" 225.
If you watch his clips, he moves pretty well, has good hands and makes good plays. I think you got the best player in the deal.
The Kings are high on McNabb, but Lombardi says he needs to improve footspeed and reads, play in his zone. And McNabb is 23. Hudson is 18. It seems like McNabb is being projected as a #3 or #4, with the added work. I think he can get there. Lombardi likes his
'snarl' and upside.

Deslauriers came to several camps and showed lots of skill - good puck skills, good shot, skates well. He was drafted at 6'1" 190 as a defenseman and somehow got up to 230. I am not sure if he lost any speed or mobility.
I hear he is back down to 215. He wasn't making progress on D at Manch, (after 3 seasons) in terms of defensive play. So, they tried him at LW.
He excelled, immediately. (think he had a hat trick in his first game) He has all the tools and is tough. Someone said he hasn't lost a fight. I do not see Manch really, but for the game highlight clips. Have one seen Nic at a few camps, a few years ago.
Coach Morris said that Nic is the best athlete on the team. He also leads the team in goals and shots, which is impressive, since it's his first yr at forward. Hits heavy. Ast GM/Player development/whatever guy Jack Ferriera (sp) said that Nic is coming along great and "75% there"...which is pretty good, considering he is just starting to play forward. I see Nic as a 3rd line LW and doing well...as early as next season. Fasching? I see him coming out after one more year, if he chooses to do so. He has impeccable character, as he has 2 younger siblings that have some incurable disease and he has helped raise them. Seems like a very mature 18 yr old. With that character, he may be the type to honor 4 yrs at Minn. Who knows?

Fasching and his siblings:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=6145415

http://www.usahockeymagazine.com/article/2012-03/family-man-hudson-fasching

Nic...good read here, with some bits on Nic:

http://lakingsinsider.com/2014/02/10/deslauriers-athleticism-strength-ease-transition/

You got 2 great prospects. Lombardi mentioned that he gave up 2 great prospects, but really wanted another defenseman, plus the 2 #2 picks made it worth it, to him.

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Jason Lewis said:
Wrong.

It's not as though McNabb couldn't crack the Sabres lineup. The organization opted to keep him in the AHL playing top pairing minutes rather than wasting a year of him playing bottom pairing minutes on a bad team. It's smart development, they could have easily destroyed the kid's confidence this year if they played him in the NHL.

In reality he is a top-4 defenseman in the future at his ceiling but the Sabres are loaded with talent on the backend. Myers, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pysyk and Jake McCabe to name a few.

McNabb is not unknown. He is an AHL all-star at 22 years old, has a 100mph slapshot, was captain of his WHL championship winning team in Kootenay...

People treating the kid like dog meat on social media a little bit but he's a very good prospect. As Demacles said...don't marry yourself to prospects who don't have NHL experience. I am a huge Fasching fan, and even I can see the value in this. We traded an uncertain for a more certain NHL player. McNabb WILL BE an NHL defenseman.

Solid deal for both teams.
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It was definitely a combination of (contrary to what most outsiders assume) limited opportunity for young players and other young players being ahead of or even with him. Ristolainen and Pysyk were in the line-up over McNabb to start the year because they were seen as being ahead of him. Zadorov also played but that was mostly to get a look before sending him back to juniors, though he showed quite well.

Once LaFontaine and Nolan took over, all the rookies were sent away except for Pysyk and Girgensons (forward). Since then Pysyk was sent down for the Olympic break and hasn't returned. Ruhwedel -- slightly ahead of or even with McNabb at this point imo -- came up and played very well, and even he is back in Rochester right now. Last game we played John Scott ... on defense ... on the top pairing with Christian Ehrhoff. Surely no one would assume John Scott was playing instead of McNabb because he's a better defenseman. Tim Murray is making Rochester a priority. He wants those kids staying down there and contributing to a winner unless they've dropkicked down the NHL door.

Buffalo has the best group of prospect defensemen in the league (arguable w/ Pittsburgh at least) and McCabe is the only one of them who wasn't available at any point this season. It was no knock on McNabb that he's behind most of them.
 
Rob Paxon said:
It was definitely a combination of (contrary to what most outsiders assume) limited opportunity for young players and other young players being ahead of or even with him. Ristolainen and Pysyk were in the line-up over McNabb to start the year because they were seen as being ahead of him. Zadorov also played but that was mostly to get a look before sending him back to juniors, though he showed quite well.

Once LaFontaine and Nolan took over, all the rookies were sent away except for Pysyk and Girgensons (forward). Since then Pysyk was sent down for the Olympic break and hasn't returned. Ruhwedel -- slightly ahead of or even with McNabb at this point imo -- came up and played very well, and even he is back in Rochester right now. Last game we played John Scott ... on defense ... on the top pairing with Christian Ehrhoff. Surely no one would assume John Scott was playing instead of McNabb because he's a better defenseman. Tim Murray is making Rochester a priority. He wants those kids staying down there and contributing to a winner unless they've dropkicked down the NHL door.

Buffalo has the best group of prospect defensemen in the league (arguable w/ Pittsburgh at least) and McCabe is the only one of them who wasn't available at any point this season. It was no knock on McNabb that he's behind most of them.
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This is what happens when a team is trying to improve its draft position and doesn't want to unnecessarily expose their kids to situations they can't handle yet.
 
I would like this deal more if Deslauriers was not part of it and we received only one 2nd round pick.
Deslauriers will be ready for NHL next year…
 
This is a bittersweet deal for me. I got to see allot of McNabb during his jr days and have always seen his potential to be a very good 2nd pairing nhl dman with the ability to run a PP unit among his skill set. Love that we picked him up and think he will be a mainstay for us in a year. He needs work but he will be worth the wait. People comparing him in a worst case scenario with Ellerby will want to take that back once they watch McNabb play. They are worlds apart in talent.

McNabb is just below Gravel imo on our D depth charts and we have several exceptional young Dmen in our system.

Fasching will be a big name NHLer. I would bet money on it. Barring serious injury he has everything he needs to become a stud in the game and we will sorely miss him in a few years. Hate to see him go.

I have known and followed NickD for years going back to his days in the Q and have written a ton about him already but only had the chance to see him play LW in person twice. His exceptional skating and just plain old grit are enough to get him onto an NHL roster as a bottom 6er but the fact that he has an excellent shot and 100% commitment to everything he does around the game makes me see him as a very good prospect who should start playing in the NHL next season and blossom by seasons end.

Buffalo as a rebuilding team got a great young player for next season (either to start or by seasons end) in NickD and I can't wait to see him start his nhl career.

All in all I think we got great value considering the respective stages of each of the players involved in the deal along with our ability to draft/develop our prospects. We also needed the 2nd rd pick to bring in #12 so it will all wash out in the end.

McNabb is a very solid D prospect who I see sliding into our SAH 2nd pairing sooner rather than later. The system we play as a team will be a great benefit to his development regardless of where he plays (MCH/LAK).

We added a piece that DL and the greatest scouting system in Kings history who is the very best in the bus today felt was a good deal and needed and to me that is all that needs to be said.
 
Tonellisghost said:
McNabb is just below Gravel imo on our D depth charts and we have several exceptional young Dmen in our system.
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Strongly disagree here. You may have seen lot more of Gravel and McNabb, but there's no way that McNabb is behind anybody in D depth chart. We didn't give up the assets that we did for a guy who's behind Gravel.
 
Black1963 said:
Strongly disagree here. You may have seen lot more of Gravel and McNabb, but there's no way that McNabb is behind anybody in D depth chart. We didn't give up the assets that we did for a guy who's behind Gravel. Gravel doesn't even come close to having the same kind of value that McNabb has.
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I spend a ton of time watching our kids and while I have only seen 3 games that McNabb has played in this season I have seen a ton of him from his JR days and I stand by what I said. Gravel is the best SAH dman prospect in our system. Period. McNabb is great and I wanted us to draft him and was bummed when we didn't but for where both of these players are today McNabb is a step behind.

I think that McNabb will be in the NHL ahead of KG but it will need more time to get up to speed then will Gravel when he arrives.

I guess time will have to tell yet again where things shake out but like I said, I stand by my observations.

Agree to disagree I guess.
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Tonellisghost said:
I spend a ton of time watching our kids and while I have only seen 3 games that McNabb has played in this season I have seen a ton of him from his JR days and I stand by what I said. Gravel is the best SAH dman prospect in our system. Period. McNabb is great and I wanted us to draft him and was bummed when we didn't but for where both of these players are today McNabb is a step behind.

I think that McNabb will be in the NHL ahead of KG but it will need more time to get up to speed then will Gravel when he arrives.

I guess time will have to tell yet again where things shake out but like I said, I stand by my observations.

Agree to disagree I guess.
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That's fine, I'm not looking for a long drawn out discussion here, but let me ask you one question: what kind of return do you think Gravel would have netted us in a trade?
 
Gravel is the Best Defensive Prospect the Kings have.

He is just a slow cook one like Forbort.

Gravel will only need one year in Manchester.

It took so long for Gravel cause he choose the NCAA route.

When Gravel is a King people will finally see What CNS/Tonell have been raving about.

Think of a Scuderi, but actually hits people.
 
Tonellisghost said:
I spend a ton of time watching our kids and while I have only seen 3 games that McNabb has played in this season I have seen a ton of him from his JR days and I stand by what I said. Gravel is the best SAH dman prospect in our system. Period. McNabb is great and I wanted us to draft him and was bummed when we didn't but for where both of these players are today McNabb is a step behind.

I think that McNabb will be in the NHL ahead of KG but it will need more time to get up to speed then will Gravel when he arrives.

I guess time will have to tell yet again where things shake out but like I said, I stand by my observations.

Agree to disagree I guess.
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If Gravel is the Best Defensive Prospect the Kings have, then why we gave two great prospects for McNabb.
We could ask for Zadorov.
 
kinghock said:
If Gravel is the Best Defensive Prospect the Kings have, then why we gave two great prospects for McNabb.
We could ask for Zadorov.
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It's a standard asset management and player development approach. Greene, Mitchell, and Regehr won't be around forever.
 
kinghock said:
If Gravel is the Best Defensive Prospect the Kings have, then why we gave two great prospects for McNabb.
We could ask for Zadorov.
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Mitchell/Greene/RR all in their thirties coming up.

Mitchell/RR are on the wrong side of thirty.

The Kings now have Forbort/Gravel/McNabb.
 
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