Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

[Hale The Villain]

Brady to the Rangers could happen, but if it does it's certainly not happening until after the season, unless the Rangers offer something absolutely ridiculous to get him in NY for the rest of the year.

If the Sens miss the playoffs again and Staios gets the sense Brady might want out once he gets his NTC on July 1st, some kind of swap involving Lafreniere for Brady would make sense in that scenario.

But there's no reason for the Sens to make that swap now. They are trying to make the playoffs and it doesn't make sense to downgrade right now.

 

[Sting]

The two teams are not great trading partners. The two assets the Sens would actually want, Lafreniere and Schneider, the Rangers would be wise to keep. Any trade involving Brady, if he were to be traded, would assuredly be for a high-value, young player.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[AirGut]

Gabe Perreault is almost certainly going to be dangled in a situation like this.

 

[Bouboumaster]

NYR would ABSOLUTELY have to add AT LEAST a 1st.

Tkachuk is a team captain and brings a shit ton of intangibles that barely any other player in the league brings. Laf is not unique like that.

I agree with the second part

However, two things:

1- In that scenario, Ottawa is looking to trade Tkachuck, so they don't get to have the edge in the negociation

2- Lafrenière's potential > Tkachuck


If Ottawa is looking for quality and not quantity, Lafrenière is the best case scenario for them IMO, and again, I find it fair for both team, personnally, as someone who hate both teams equally

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It’s obviously true that it’s come up in some capacity. Sens obviously sensitive that their captain is getting named in trade rumors when they need to convince him to stay, but not only did Brooks report it but Elliotte basically said yesterday that the teams were talking and Ottawa is sensitive and didn’t want it to get out. He didn’t name Tkachuk, but putting 2 and 2 together you get that they discussed him in some capacity.

I don’t trust Dreger at all. He barely breaks any news anymore, and of course the Sens reporters were told to deny it by the team. Not saying it means anything is imminent, but you’d be stupid to believe the two teams haven’t discussed it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It’s obviously true that it’s come up in some capacity. Sens obviously sensitive that their captain is getting named in trade rumors when they need to convince him to stay, but not only did Brooks report it but Elliotte basically said yesterday that the teams were talking and Ottawa is sensitive and didn’t want it to get out. He didn’t name Tkachuk, but putting 2 and 2 together you get that they discussed him in some capacity.

I don’t trust Dreger at all. He barely breaks any news anymore, and of course the Sens reporters were told to deny it by the team. Not saying it means anything is imminent, but you’d be stupid to believe the two teams haven’t discussed it.

lol don’t take any Sens reports , or others saying no. but take one guy Brooksies, sure that’s gold

Brooksie didn’t even say there was discussion, he said NYR would target a BT. Appreciate the satire though.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

lol don’t take any Sens reports , but take Brooksies, sure that’s gold.

Brooksie didn’t even say there was discussion, he said NYR would have interest i. A BT.

Actually, I’m more just using Brooks report to tell us the name of the player that Elliotte alluded to.

 

[Sens9292]

I agree with the second part

However, two things:

1- In that scenario, Ottawa is looking to trade Tkachuck, so they don't get to have the edge in the negociation

2- Lafrenière's potential > Tkachuck


If Ottawa is looking for quality and not quantity, Lafrenière is the best case scenario for them IMO, and again, I find it fair for both team, personnally, as someone who hate both teams equally

Priceless

 

[Bouboumaster]

Priceless

Would you really argue that?

 

[Taluss]

Lafs potential does> Tkachuk imo. But that being said what Tkachuk would bring to NY is absolutely needed. Id happily do Laf+ for Tkachuk.

 

[bernmeister]

Brady, JBD, Boucher for Lafreniere, Kakko, Lindgren, 1st.

Boucher could be a throw in/mercy kill for optics. They Rangers can sell that they got a reclamation project who they had in the top 10 of his draft year. He has the tools to be a checking fourth liner, but that isn't even guaranteed at this point. They can send him to an org' who might value him enough to take their time with another pro season or two before moving on, and there isn't the baggage of being a high pick.

Rangers fans want to sell like the difference between Lafreniere and Brady isn't high, but they mostly look at a ceiling that Lafreniere has yet to consistently meet (except for last year's playoffs). The reality is that Brady is a top 25 goal scorer in the entire league over the past few years, and you can multiply the value of that due to him being a power forward. Development is never linear, and Lafreniere could find another gear and be a gritty 100 point forward, but at 23 years old it becomes a lot more difficult to sell a trade package on potential.

The main reason Ottawa would be interested in Lafreniere might be that it is the closest to a plug and play proposition, and he would be a hugely popular name in the market that might help them with some of the negative backlash for trading Brady, who is probably #2 most popular to the kids behind Spartacat. The new ownership is trying to reach out to the Francophone market (Gatineau, Orleans). Adding one of the most popular Francophone players to come into the league in a long time might go a long way to helping with that.

Sens also need a 1st, because they may have to give up their 1st this year. If they end up in the 6th-16th type ballpark, there would be a compelling argument to give up the 1st and not risk giving the NHL the pick that could be Gavin McKenna. This management claimed to want less chaos in the marketplace. Nothing would be more chaotic than having a losing team in 2025-26 and no 1st round draft pick during a very hyped draft.

More like Laf Kakko Miller for Tkachuk

NO on moving LaF or KK
do not want Tkca b'c likely cost prohibitive who will have nmc

I don’t know whether rumors are true or not but if Tkachuk is ever available I wouldn’t have a problem doing a Laf+ package for him at all.

you should
LaF upside > Tka

Boucher and JBD are throw ins/warm bodies. .

Lindgren is a pending UFA who might net them a 2nd at the deadline.

Kakko has had one foot out the door for the past two seasons. Solid player, but he's not the 2nd overall talent he was when selected. He also might be at risk of going unqualified because he could be one of those players who have a case to get a high arbitration ruling that is just below the walk away number, but higher than what they would get on the open market. Similar to Ottawa moving on from Brannstrom. The fact that Kakko is still with the Rangers after his name has been in rumours on and off for years likely points to his trade value being underwhelming.

It's basically Brady for Lafreniere, a 1st, and whatever the Rangers would have gotten for Kakko and Lindgren at the deadline. That should be a very easy yes from the Rangers POV.

bold = KK has emerged as key piece to 5x5 success w/more upside
disappointing for a 2OA compared to handful of elites picked at that slot? yes
but that is no reason to undervalue him now and make him a discounted throw in

underline: no no no on both value + ny paying that in that currency

Is there actually smoke to Tkachuk to the Rangers lol?

Seriously, give me just Lafreniere and Kakko and i'd be pretty happy

Lafreniere - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Norris - Giroux
Kakko - Pinto - Perron
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins
Amadio



Hard to say no with the 1st

Can't afford to trade Chabot though, he's much better and essential than many seem to think

I gathered these stats this morning :

Among 193 D-men who played at least 200 minutes at 5 on 5, Chabot is :

5th in CF/60
16th in CA/60
8th in CF%

1st in SF/60
45th in SA/60
4th in SF%

28th in xGF/60
19th in xGA/60
9th in xGF%

still NO

Lafs potential does> Tkachuk imo. But that being said what Tkachuk would bring to NY is absolutely needed. Id happily do Laf+ for Tkachuk.

entirely possible Rs will be stupid and again, not listen to bern, and regret it in hindsight
but again, smart move is long term extend the window and not go all in
99% of the time win now = fail

The devils have Nemec in the A and Silayev
they can add like Palat, Haula and Mercer
for
Brady T and throw ins

Rs are not gonna spend assets to out bid

There is a basis for Sens -Rs not involving BT
but that is for when I get time over the next wk
peace out

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

NO on moving LaF or KK
do not want Tkca b'c likely cost prohibitive who will have nmc


you should
LaF upside > Tka



bold = KK has emerged as key piece to 5x5 success w/more upside
disappointing for a 2OA compared to handful of elites picked at that slot? yes
but that is no reason to undervalue him now and make him a discounted throw in

underline: no no no on both value + ny paying that in that currency



still NO


entirely possible Rs will be stupid and again, not listen to bern, and regret it in hindsight
but again, smart move is long term extend the window and not go all in
99% of the time win now = fail

The devils have Nemec in the A and Silayev
they can add like Palat, Haula and Mercer
for
Brady T and throw ins

Rs are not gonna spend assets to out bid

There is a basis for Sens -Rs not involving BT
but that is for when I get time over the next wk
peace out

Lafreniere was drafted almost 5 years ago. He is 23 years old. Development isn't linear, and he could have another level, but no GM is going to care if he exceeds Tkachuk down the road. At this point in his development with what he has shown so far, most people would happily trade Lafreniere as the centre piece in a package deal to get the cost certainty that is Tkachuk.

You can talk about upside all you want, but there is no guarantee he reaches the level of consistency Tkachuk has, let alone exceeds it. Since 2021, Brady is top 25 in goals and top 30 in points. He is constantly near the top of the league in hits, and is one of the few "skilled" players who hits that much.

With all the intangibles he has, along with consistently being one of the top goal scorers and producers in the league, turning down the chance to upgrade to Tkachuk with 3.5 years of team control just because Lafreniere at 23 "could" be better is the personification of the Family Guy mystery box meme. I would get it if this was the day after the 2020 draft, but into the fifth season since that draft, not so much.

With that said, I do think a package around Lafreniere would be a good deal for Ottawa given the possible circumstance where they feel pressure to trade Brady before his NMC or a possible circumstance where Brady asks out (which there doesn't seem to be any indication he has done so far). Sens fans shouldn't expect to walk away with full value but Brady might be the rare player who instead of 50 cents on the dollar maybe gets 75 or 85 cents because of how much term he has left and how coveted players of his ilk can be.

 

[bernmeister]

Lafreniere was drafted almost 5 years ago. He is 23 years old. Development isn't linear, and he could have another level, but no GM is going to care if he exceeds Tkachuk down the road. At this point in his development with what he has shown so far, most people would happily trade Lafreniere as the centre piece in a package deal to get the cost certainty that is Tkachuk.

You can talk about upside all you want, but there is no guarantee he reaches the level of consistency Tkachuk has, let alone exceeds it. Since 2021, Brady is top 25 in goals and top 30 in points. He is constantly near the top of the league in hits, and is one of the few "skilled" players who hits that much.

With all the intangibles he has, along with consistently being one of the top goal scorers and producers in the league, turning down the chance to upgrade to Tkachuk with 3.5 years of team control just because Lafreniere at 23 "could" be better is the personification of the Family Guy mystery box meme. I would get it if this was the day after the 2020 draft, but into the fifth season since that draft, not so much.

With that said, I do think a package around Lafreniere would be a good deal for Ottawa given the possible circumstance where they feel pressure to trade Brady before his NMC or a possible circumstance where Brady asks out (which there doesn't seem to be any indication he has done so far). Sens fans shouldn't expect to walk away with full value but Brady might be the rare player who instead of 50 cents on the dollar maybe gets 75 or 85 cents because of how much term he has left and how coveted players of his ilk can be.

I appreciate your view, but I disagree as to which approach is better for Rs right now.
A guy like Chytil, there is substantial injury history, with concussions. He could turn out like Ekblad to turn a corner and be fine, or not. I mentioned him b'c THAT is the type of guy where you say potential is at risk. Not LaF.

LaF did not blow us away day 1, and that was b'c he had subpar skating, which it took a couple of years to work through. That was then, and this is now. Eye test says that item is no longer a factor, so if you are projecting going forward, you do not count that outdated negative.

I believe a large package will serve us all best, but real world has me for a few days
patience

peace out

 

[Korpse]

Lafs potential does> Tkachuk imo

Tkachuk is an established top ~20 goal scorer and top ~30 point scorer at the age of 25. What do we think Laf’s potential is for it to be greater.

 

[Fatass]

What could the Rangers add to Lafreniere to make this work?

 

[Kegs]

Brady does not get enough love on hfboards. Great shot, passionate, and violent. What’s not to love? He should get a boatload in return.

 

[AirGut]

What could the Rangers add to Lafreniere to make this work?

I think OTT fans need to pump the brakes if they think B.Tkachuk is not only worth more than what Eichel got but worth more than his brother Matthew.
Which is fine, Brady will cause a stir in the next couple years since that franchise has spent the better half of a decade playing headless chicken and not building around the player they're supposedly supposed to be building around. We'll see,

Tick-tock

 

[MCR74]

NYR would ABSOLUTELY have to add AT LEAST a 1st.

Tkachuk is a team captain and brings a shit ton of intangibles that barely any other player in the league brings. Laf is not unique like that.

The team is at the bottom of the conference again. His intangibles are overrated.

 

[Korpse]

Brady does not get enough love on hfboards. Great shot, passionate, and violent. What’s not to love? He should get a boatload in return.

It’s always been that way. As long as he is Ottawa two things will always be true for a very specific group of people.

1) He doesn’t want to be in Ottawa
2) He is overrated

 

[Fatass]

I think OTT fans need to pump the brakes if they think B.Tkachuk is not only worth more than what Eichel got but worth more than his brother Matthew.
Which is fine, Brady will cause a stir in the next couple years since that franchise has spent the better half of a decade playing headless chicken and not building around the player they're supposedly supposed to be building around. We'll see,

Tick-tock

I’m far from an Ottawa fan. It’s fun to see them lose. But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand player values. And it’s clear Brady T would cost the Rangers Lafreniere + +. Not too sure what those pluses would be, so the question I proposed.
Would the Sens consider Lafreniere plus Chytl plus Schneider? Would the Sens have to add Chabot to that scenario?

 

[SensFactor]

What could the Rangers add to Lafreniere to make this work?

Fox

 

[Fatass]

Fox

How about Brady T + Chabot for Lafreniere + Schneider + Kakko (or) Chytle?

 

[Xspyrit]

I think OTT fans need to pump the brakes if they think B.Tkachuk is not only worth more than what Eichel got but worth more than his brother Matthew.

Eichel returned Alex Tuch + Peyton Krebs + 1st + 2nd

I didn't see any offer close to as good as that. Imagine, there's even a poster who wouldn't do Kreider + Kakko as they jump out of pools with their eyes closed.

Which is fine, Brady will cause a stir in the next couple years since that franchise has spent the better half of a decade playing headless chicken and not building around the player they're supposedly supposed to be building around.

No idea what you're talking about, seems apparent you don't know much about that team. Dorion was completely clueless so whatever he said or wanted to do has nothing to do with the present situation. Sens are clearly building around Tim Stutzle and Jake Sanderson

It’s always been that way. As long as he is Ottawa two things will always be true for a very specific group of people.

1) He doesn’t want to be in Ottawa
2) He is overrated

What's even funnier is when they talk about overall team performance when we're evaluating a player individually. It's like they don't even understand that they are on a hockey forum. Seriously, some people could follow hockey for decades and still don't understand much in the end.

 

[SensFactor]

How about Brady T + Chabot for Lafreniere + Schneider + Kakko (or) Chytle?

No.