Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

[Golden_Jet]

ok ok ok

busy next coupla days, squeezed it all into,
post 2025 on trade thread at the Rangers board

pls digest, we'll chat LATER

Here’s post 2025 , better pass it around the threads whatever you’re having. Wouldn’t even fly in EA sports.

All the crapulence that needs to go, and I continue to see trade Kreider here, and, more upsettingly, that Drury is leaning in that direction.

Chris, since you apparently need the help, consider the following, bern's blueprint, to be a guideline you should respect.
(notice cap largely balances out incl in 3 way!....)

Per my usual, best hope for at least 1 if not multiple cups = EXTEND the window
this means deal vets for youth, few exceptions notwithstanding.

The out of nowhere Zib meltdown has complicated things with great negative forces. Even a premium payment to remove him must be acceptably profitable to a trade partner and that is not readily visible other than gutting nyr to an intolerable degree.


1. Rs-‘nucks
VAN has just over 6 in cap space. Understandably want to keep JTM; that said, while he is out, they are short. Also need D w/Hronek out. Rs need pivots and cap space. So here is the offer:
take prospect Sykora for the more available bottom 6 C Raty
take Robertson for injured expiring Forbort
take Jones for Juulsen
of these Forbort is highest paid 1.5, everybody else < 1 roughly cancels out
and we throw in Zib max retained reduced 8.5 to 4.25
ballpark cap dif is 3.75-ish hit to VAN

Further detail:
Raty [elc expiring -> rfa] > Sykora [3 yrs elc remaining] right now but ‘nucks can spare him.
LD Robertson has size etc but has not been properly developed; they kept not giving him a chance, yet resigned him this season, what does that say? But Forbort is expiring, older so it is a possibly useful body for an unavailable one.
I always liked Juulsen and give him full props for coming back after his early injury history. Jones is young, not big at 6'0 but fast, fluid skater and can play either side.

All in all a small +.
So why accommodate on Zib? Risk-reward. You are gambling that there appears to be no physical damage, the issue is he suddenly snakebit in an ongoing funk. Howev, if he was playing with his fellow Swede pal and not under the same pressure to not produce as 1C [that’s JTM when he returns], he will perform sufficiently in top 6. And again, we think there is no issue w/JTM but this is a useful stopgap while JT is out, possibly insurance if there is something we are unaware of. And worst case here for ‘nucks, they have to attach 1.5ish or so to move him to a cap floor club.

For Rs, we are looking at 4.5 structural cap recovery. Juulsen ok bottom pair. Raty fine to build with at position of need. Forbort, if he returns, is 3LD, depth after selling Lindgren


2. Rs - Sens-Devs
Devs get: from OTT: Tkachuk from NY: Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2
Devs give: to OTT: Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
to NY: rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 14.1
in: Tkachuk 8.2, Panarin 6 = 14.2
cap result virtually even

Sens get: from NJ : Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
from NY: LaF + Fox + Gabe Perreault
Sens give: to NJ : Tkachuk to NY: Sanderson + Batherson + Pinto + Kleven + Grieg
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Tkachuk 8.2, Sanderson 8+, Batherson, 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven* elc < 1 + Grieg * elc < 1
in: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1)
LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe Perreault elc <1, (rounded to 1)
{* LaF extension next yr kicks in 7.4+; Kleven and Grieg are rounded}
above = 14.1 from NJ + 12.8 from NY = 26.9 total in
above = 8.2 to NJ + 18.6 to NY = 26.8 total in
cap result virtually even

Rs get: from NJ : rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
from Sens: Sanderson, Batherson, Pinto, Kleven, Grieg
Rs give: to NJ : Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2 to Sens: LaF, Fox, Gabe P
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Panarin* 6 + LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe P elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 18.8
in: Sand. 8+, Bath. 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven, Grieg both rounded 1@ = 18.6
cap result virtually even

*ny continues to eat 5.6+ cap this season + next retained salary on bread

Rationale(s)
Jersey upgrades status to legit contender. No waiting on Tkachuk. Add season and a half of retained bread makes F group formidable. Loss of RD prospects = wince, but Nemec atm in the A and Silayev not even signed atm.

Sens swap high end first pair, but add RD in process, further RD with Nemec. LaF = huge fan get, local kid 1OA. Gabe P similar, huge upside ready next yr mitigates loss of Fs. Higher end salary out, useful pieces in. Surrender of Kleven is a wince and both Pinto + Grieg makes pivot thin, but that is short term. Overall, good value and a win going forward.

Rs get 1LD anchor in Sanderson albeit for a high price. Pinto + Kleven are keepers. + Grieg and Batherson flipped usefully


3. NYR-LAK
While surrender of Byfield is a major concession, Kings win this deal, but it is still a fit for Rs.

Shesty now 5.6+ end of season, extension 11.5 x 8 kicks in next season, no NMC effective this season can be dealt now.
Rs eat 2m per effective immediately so Ks get him 2.6 + now, and only 9.5 per going forward x 8
Add elc -> rfa Grieg, a late 1st round pivot elc is < 1
add dynamic W Batherson, 4.9+ per

for

Byfield + LD prospect Jakub Dvorak, elc, 870k x 3 + 2026 LAK 1st + 2027 LAK 2nd

Now there is too much on the plate for Kings to refuse. Obv Byfield is heir to Kopitar and now that has to have plan b alternate, but Ks still have good pivot depth and too many issues solved by this to decline.

The above 3 for Byfield + futures

cap picture is
Byfield, 6.25 balance of rfa yrs (4 seasons after this) + Dvorak, elc, 870k = 7.12
vs
Shesty’s current 5.6 -2 = 3.6, + Bath 4.9 + Grieg <1 = roughly just under 9.5
LA has sufficient cap space


deal Lindgren, Vesey, Smith maybe later Carrick (depth for now)

result

Kreider - Byfield - Berard [although I am tempted to try all big w/KK]
Pinto - Tro - Othmann
Cuylle - Chytil/Raty/Brodz - Kakko
Edstrom - Brodz/Raty -Rempe

forward depth = enough there ^ but usual suspects in the A if nec

Sanderson - Schneider
KAM - Kleven
Dumoulin - Mancini/Juulsen
Forbort, if/when he plays again

marinating: Silayev, Dvorak, Fortescue, Emery

usual suspects for LD depth: Scanlin/Harpur/Mackey/Ruhwedel
Rasmus Larsson and Hank Kempf may be close enuf for cup of coffee if available


G: Garand reinforced Quick + Domingue

 

[BlueSeal]

How about no lol.

 

[periferal]

If the Sens trade Takchuk at all (much less take some package of like a mid/late 1st, Kakko, and Othmann), then they should refund season ticket holders all their money because they aren't serious about winning.

 

[SpezDispenser]

LMAO!

Remember what you got for Karlsson? Brady won't draw much more than that.

I mean....a franchise C (Stutzle), a 2nd line 30 goal scoring C (Norris), a really good right handed D (Demelo) that we let go, which was bullshit, a good third line C until he shat himself (Tierney) and now an up and coming, gritty 3rd line C (Ostapchuk)?

Please sign me up for that.

 

[AirGut]

If the Sens trade Takchuk at all (much less take some package of like a mid/late 1st, Kakko, and Othmann), then they should refund season ticket holders all their money because they aren't serious about winning.

They have one of the most skilled C's I've ever seen, they'll be more than fine once they get added quality depth and build around him. Brady Tkachuk is not the be all end all of the Ottawa Senators and from what I've heard from OTT fans outside of HF, they seem to hate him and look down on him as nothing more than an idiotic American with too short of a fuse. Reminds me of the type of shit Pacioretty had to deal with all those years ago.

 

[The don godfather]

Brady is gonna cost a lot. Good luck rags.

 

[periferal]

Brady is gonna cost a lot. Good luck rags.

Not just that, but...

• What kind of blue-chip assets do the rangers even have to pry Tkachuk away? A mid/late 1st, Kakko, etc ain't it.
• And there are a handful of other teams that could easily bear a rangers package - Not to mention I'm sure if they deal BT they'd prefer to send him to the western conference.

 

[The don godfather]

Not just that, but...

• What kind of blue-chip assets do the rangers even have to pry Tkachuk away? A mid/late 1st, Kakko, etc ain't it.
• And there are a handful of other teams that could easily bear a rangers package - Not to mention I'm sure if they deal BT they'd prefer to send him to the western conference.

Kakko play right now is a 3rd round pick. Hes just the appetizer of the deal. Start with laf 1st round pick and go from there.

 

[spaghtti]

fair 'nuf, but while we are striving to be fully objective/fair
he is/has been playing w/back/related issues

Back issues or ability to play through back issues does not hold any value but quite the opposite

 

[Wondercarrot]

I think you’d be foolish to believe that Drury and Staios haven’t discussed Tkachuk. Doesn’t mean the discussion was much more than Staios saying “everyone is on the table, knock our socks off”, but I fully believe the actual teams have talked about Tkachuk. Again, not suggesting anything is close or will happen. I think it’d be naive though to believe it’s all the Rangers lying about it to the media for some weird reason. What would that even be? Wouldn’t that be tampering to be suggesting you are going to acquire a player there’s literally no discussion with that player’s team of acquiring?

I think there is zero chance Staois has discussed Tkachuk - and I think iit would be foolish to assume he did.
I think there is a 100% chance that while teams (including Ottawas ) inquired abt Trouba when he was being jettisoned - Drury asked Staios abt Tkachuk and Staois would have responded he’s not available.

Again Drury can tell whoever he wants that he’d like Tkachuk, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Ottawa Senators.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think there is zero chance Staois has discussed Tkachuk - and I think iit would be foolish to assume he did.
I think there is a 100% chance that while teams (including Ottawas ) inquired abt Trouba when he was being jettisoned - Drury asked Staios abt Tkachuk and Staois would have responded he’s not available.

Again Drury can tell whoever he wants that he’d like Tkachuk, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Ottawa Senators.

You realize that those two sentences don't line up?

If Drury inquired about him, they've talked about Tkachuk. I also don't for a second believe the answer was "no way he's available" or something like that when Staios knows there's a chance Tkachuk asks for a trade and has essentially said there are no untouchables on the roster coming into the job.

 

[wintersej]

Bern, I'm more of a lurker here and generally enjoy your posts but did you just use the "can jump out of a pool in standing water" argument?

Zach Senyshyn could do that, too.

 

[Wondercarrot]

They have one of the most skilled C's I've ever seen, they'll be more than fine once they get added quality depth and build around him. Brady Tkachuk is not the be all end all of the Ottawa Senators and from what I've heard from OTT fans outside of HF, they seem to hate him and look down on him as nothing more than an idiotic American with too short of a fuse. Reminds me of the type of shit Pacioretty had to deal with all those years ago.

Of all the absurd bullshit I’ve read in this thread, this is most absurd bullshit of all *


* the obvious exception being whatever that 3 team 47 player trade posted by Bern was…

 

[Fatass]

Not just that, but...

• What kind of blue-chip assets do the rangers even have to pry Tkachuk away? A mid/late 1st, Kakko, etc ain't it.
• And there are a handful of other teams that could easily bear a rangers package - Not to mention I'm sure if they deal BT they'd prefer to send him to the western conference.

Yup. Brady Tkatchuk is a great young player on a very good contract with term. The cost would be extremely high.
Likely the ask would be for the other clubs best young player and (depending on the player) more. It’s not like the Sens are shopping Brady T.

 

[Wondercarrot]

You realize that those two sentences don't line up?

If Drury inquired about him, they've talked about Tkachuk. I also don't for a second believe the answer was "no way he's available" or something like that when Staios knows there's a chance Tkachuk asks for a trade and has essentially said there are no untouchables on the roster coming into the job.

The sentences lineup just fine, if someone says hello and I say hello back I wouldnt describe that as a discussion.
Is he just supposed to close his eyes and cover his ears? Staois isn’t responsible for whatever comes out of Drurys mouth.

Staois has consistently, unequivocally, without hesitation, and adamantly said that Tkachuk is not available (when other markets/media etc speculate abt trading for Tkachuk). He called it bullshit last year, was frustrated that wishful thinking/ and random speculation had anything to do with the Sens - followed by explaining that the team is being built around Tkachuk.

So you are of course welcome to whatever opinion you like, it doesn’t mean it’s based in reality.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You realize that those two sentences don't line up?

If Drury inquired about him, they've talked about Tkachuk. I also don't for a second believe the answer was "no way he's available" or something like that when Staios knows there's a chance Tkachuk asks for a trade and has essentially said there are no untouchables on the roster coming into the job.

A response that’s says he not available is not a discussion.
But keep on hoping, it’s not happening lol.. GM says he’s building around him.
Go ahead and twist in the wind all you want, it’s not a smart look.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

A response that’s says he not available is not a discussion.
But keep on hoping, it’s not happening lol.. GM says he’s building around him.
Go ahead and twist in the wind all you want, it’s not a smart look.

For the record, I don't want Tkachuk.

I think the insistence that there's been no discussions about him is naive to how all of this works. NHL GM's, especially newer GM's or GM's of teams that need a shake up, talk with other GM's around the league about their players. Very rarely is a player "off limits" in those discussions. Logically, it probably goes a lot like the discussions on this website.

We ask for Tkachuk? The response from Sens fans is likely "Yeah okay, give us Fox" or something like that, and it's probably how it works for NHL GM's. "Off limits" is not the same thing as setting a very high price. I think it's kind of your job responsibility as an NHL GM to have an open mind about making your team better.

 

[Golden_Jet]

For the record, I don't want Tkachuk.

I think the insistence that there's been no discussions about him is naive to how all of this works. NHL GM's, especially newer GM's or GM's of teams that need a shake up, talk with other GM's around the league about their players. Very rarely is a player "off limits" in those discussions. Logically, it probably goes a lot like the discussions on this website.

We ask for Tkachuk? The response from Sens fans is likely "Yeah okay, give us Fox" or something like that, and it's probably how it works for NHL GM's. "Off limits" is not the same thing as setting a very high price. I think it's kind of your job responsibility as an NHL GM to have an open mind about making your team better.

being told that player isn’t available, ends the discussion.
The response isn’t give us fox+, it’s he’s not available

 

[LeafChief]

being told that player isn’t available, ends the discussion.
The response isn’t give us fox+, it’s he’s not available

He's not available right now, that's for sure.

The offseason is a different story.

 

[Wondercarrot]

For the record, I don't want Tkachuk.

I think the insistence that there's been no discussions about him is naive to how all of this works. NHL GM's, especially newer GM's or GM's of teams that need a shake up, talk with other GM's around the league about their players. Very rarely is a player "off limits" in those discussions. Logically, it probably goes a lot like the discussions on this website.

We ask for Tkachuk? The response from Sens fans is likely "Yeah okay, give us Fox" or something like that, and it's probably how it works for NHL GM's. "Off limits" is not the same thing as setting a very high price. I think it's kind of your job responsibility as an NHL GM to have an open mind about making your team better.

For the record you can keep calling things naive, foolish, or whatever as if you are the only one who is familiar with the NHL.
The reality is there is ZERO evidence that Staois has any discussions with respect to Tkachuk, while there is an abundance of evidence that the Sens both through Staois and the Sens intermediaries that the Senators have consistently & unequivocally denied having any conversations whatsoever abt trading Tkachuk while also stating they can’t control whatever bullshit others want to through out to their local media.

Having an open mind doesn’t mean you float trading the 25 yr old heart and soul of your franchise, the guy you’re building everything else around, & one of the most popular player to ever put on the sweater. Talk about foolish & naive.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

They have one of the most skilled C's I've ever seen, they'll be more than fine once they get added quality depth and build around him. Brady Tkachuk is not the be all end all of the Ottawa Senators and from what I've heard from OTT fans outside of HF, they seem to hate him and look down on him as nothing more than an idiotic American with too short of a fuse. Reminds me of the type of shit Pacioretty had to deal with all those years ago.

I mean I think Stuzle is a really nice player, but if he is one of the most skilled C's you've ever seen, you might not have been watching very long.

 

[AirGut]

I mean I think Stuzle is a really nice player, but if he is one of the most skilled C's you've ever seen, you might not have been watching very long.

Not as long as you, I've only been watching since 09'. I should rephrase that there are definitely better more all-around centers and HOF centermen throughout the years I've watched but it's rare to see a wispy guy like Tim turn into a complete buzzsaw at C. People usually don't always bring up his name when talking about the best in the league right now and I think it's only because he has had a somewhat sour reputation amongst people for diving incidents in recent years.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

being told that player isn’t available, ends the discussion.
The response isn’t give us fox+, it’s he’s not available

Okay and I think it’s very naive to believe that Tkachuk isn’t available, depending on what’s offered.

For the record you can keep calling things naive, foolish, or whatever as if you are the only one who is familiar with the NHL.
The reality is there is ZERO evidence that Staois has any discussions with respect to Tkachuk, while there is an abundance of evidence that the Sens both through Staois and the Sens intermediaries that the Senators have consistently & unequivocally denied having any conversations whatsoever abt trading Tkachuk while also stating they can’t control whatever bullshit others want to through out to their local media.

Having an open mind doesn’t mean you float trading the 25 yr old heart and soul of your franchise, the guy you’re building everything else around, & one of the most popular player to ever put on the sweater. Talk about foolish & naive.

There actually is tons of evidence. You’ve just chosen to ignore it.

And you’ve now started moving the goalposts by stating this is about floating the idea of moving Tkachuk. The discussion is about whether Tkachuk’s name has been discussed.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

You try to trash a newspaper and can’t even name the correct paper

I was trashing the Rangers. Whichever rag is spouting their 'rumormill' nonsense is inconsequential

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Because it's not a matter of him not being good enough. He's been the Rangers 2nd best forward for some time now and is only improving.

If you polled HFNYR, I don't think you'd find any fans who would want to or be down with trading Laf for Tkachuk, even 1 for 1.

That doesn't mean Ottawa should/would do that trade or that their fans would like it, I'm telling you the perspective from Rangers fans.

The forum must be madness, cause this take is nothing short of moronic.

Not willing to write off all NYR fans into your personal take. Perhaps, you're correct. I have a hard time believing you'd be correct. I think you should back up your take and post this as a poll and let's see the results.