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Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

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DingDongCharlie said:
The forum must be madness, cause this take is nothing short of moronic.

Not willing to write off all NYR fans into your personal take. Perhaps, you're correct. I have a hard time believing you'd be correct. I think you should back up your take and post this as a poll and let's see the results.
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I mean, I saw some posts in here by Senator fans who would trade Brady for Laf 1for1 from their side of things... :dunno:

And the OP is a Senators fan. Idk how much this website views the additions of Kakko/Lindgren.

We're happy with Lafreniere and how he's playing and progressing. The last thing NYR need is a winger, or to get rid of Lafreniere right now, even for Tkachuk.
 
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Of course plenty of other teams can outbid the Rangers. Of course he'd cost a fortune right now. If the Sens traded him to NY tomorrow for anything less than Lafreniere with an add they'd probably be fired immediately.

But Folks are missing the story with the Brooks tweet / shit stirring. They're not trying to trade for Tkachuk right now. They're planting the seeds for when his NMC kicks in on July 1st and he's considering his future in Ottawa after what's likely another underwhelming season. His agent lets him know that Zibanejad's deal expires the same summer as he's due for a new one. There will be money burning a hole in Drury's pocket and he's willing to spend.
 
Trxjw said:
Plenty of teams have a Gabe Perreault level prospect they could move. They're not trading Lafreniere for Tkachuk. The idea is to build around Lafreniere, Fox, and, for better or worse, Igor and his ridiculous contract.
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Perreault is one of the best prospects in hockey. While yes certainly other teams have similar caliber prospects, maybe only half of the teams in the league do, and most of those teams are rebuilding and unlikely to let them go.
 
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There’s players in the NHL who have a little extra thing called “it” and Brady Tkachuk has some of that. Laf just doesn’t. This is where the stat watchers go crazy because they can’t process that adds value to a player who has the ability to put his team on his back and change the outcome of games.

Now, does he show it all the time? No, but he’s still just entering his prime. That’s nothing against Laf but it is reality and every manager knows it. Nobody’s sneaking anything by Ottawa here.

So, as they might be more alike on the stat sheet, it drives Brady’s price way up. No different than his brother’s trade to Florida. Huberdeau just had a 100 point season.

So it’s gonna cost at least Laf, and they’re probably gonna have to add two very nice pieces. You have to make it worth it for Ottawa to make the trade. They wouldn’t take Lucas Raymond straight up either, and Raymond might be a better player already, who’s trending to be one of the top wingers in the league. Raymond has also shown some of that “it” himself, during those game last year when Larkin was out.

We’ve yet to see that from Laf. Maybe it comes, maybe it doesn’t, but generally we would’ve seen some of it from a player with over 200 games.

So nobody should be laughing at Brady for Laf plus, plus trade speculation. There’s not a stat imaginable that’s going help justify any sort of equal value.
 
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bernmeister said:
disagree
his best interest is take a few days off and he is trying to minimize that for the team

that is leadership
and it does have value
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I disagree back injuries are no joke and even wors wwith aging vets. Love to see a player play through it for a playoff series don't want to ever trade for that kind of asset for long term
 
jetsforever said:
Ottawa should absolutely not be trading Brady at this point.
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While I tend to agree with that, it leaves open the question of what they should do. How do they get over the hump?

At some point, Brady is going to get tired of losing. Maybe he sticks around until the end of his contract, but if the team isn't winning by then, I can't see him re-signing.
 
GAGLine said:
While I tend to agree with that, it leaves open the question of what they should do. How do they get over the hump?

At some point, Brady is going to get tired of losing. Maybe he sticks around until the end of his contract, but if the team isn't winning by then, I can't see him re-signing.
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this ^, but also if that nmc kicks in this July
then they are married to him
and if he wigs out, w/full nmc control, you have a prob

Rs should exercise caution for same reason
supposedly, wife is from Jersey and wants there, although 'here' may be good enuf

Rs should/will not pay top $ him, OTT wants no less, so that should not be a discussion

What SHOULD be a discussion is my post 2025 from Rs trade thread

In it, basically [with added pieces] it is a core of
Sanderson + better useful pieces + to Rs
Brady T + Panarin to Devs
and
LaF + Fox + Nemec to Sens

btw cap is almost exact match!

I'd like the critics to explain themselves...
 
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bernmeister said:
this ^, but also if that nmc kicks in this July
then they are married to him
and if he wigs out, w/full nmc control, you have a prob

Rs should exercise caution for same reason
supposedly, wife is from Jersey and wants there, although 'here' may be good enuf

Rs should/will not pay top $ him, OTT wants no less, so that should not be a discussion

What SHOULD be a discussion is my post 2025 from Rs trade thread

In it, basically [with added pieces] it is a core of
Sanderson + better useful pieces + to Rs
Brady T + Panarin to Devs
and
LaF + Fox + Nemec to Sens

btw cap is almost exact match!

I'd like the critics to explain themselves...
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I see @Golden_Jet gave a ha ha.

Care to back that up w/any meaningful discussion?
 
NyQuil said:
Fox sat out rather than play for Calgary.

Why would he come to Ottawa?

I’d rather keep Tkachuk and Sanderson, personally.
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he goes now b'c he doesn't have trade protection now. Soon that won't be the case

as to bold, that's fair
but remember Tka has his nmc this July and he may be fine and cool or he may wig out -- if the latter you will have your own Zib parallel on your hands

I agree you should not sell him cheap to anyone
If Jersey gives enuf you should consider it

As to Sanderson, your pref is acknowledged but it would be cost of doing business adding to him to get LaF + Fox + Nemec
 
GAGLine said:
While I tend to agree with that, it leaves open the question of what they should do. How do they get over the hump?

At some point, Brady is going to get tired of losing. Maybe he sticks around until the end of his contract, but if the team isn't winning by then, I can't see him re-signing.
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Ottawa is currently 3 pts behind the rangers, and every rangers fan on these boards makes it sound like they are currently a cluster f***.
Tell you what we’ll take Lafreniere for Shane Pinto, young 2nd line two way centre to be for a 2nd line winger.
Laf is little better right now but Pinto plays the more valuable harder to fill position where the Rangers are weak.
 
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Wondercarrot said:
Ottawa is currently 3 pts behind the rangers, and every rangers fan on these boards makes it sound like they are currently a cluster f***.
Tell you what we’ll take Lafreniere for Shane Pinto, young 2nd line two way centre to be for a 2nd line winger.
Laf is little better right now but Pinto plays the more valuable harder to fill position where the Rangers are weak.
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i think we all know laf isn't getting moved for pinto, and i think we're all kinda sure that BT isn't going to finish out this deal in ottawa
 
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noncents said:
i think we all know laf isn't getting moved for pinto, and i think we're all kinda sure that BT isn't going to finish out this deal in ottawa
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It’s a good deal for the Rangers, and I have every confidence Tkachuk will finish this deal in Ottawa.
Pinto as a 200ft 55-65pt right shot centre has more value than a 60-70pt winger.

Lafreniere is comparable to Batherson, or rather I think he can be a Batherson level player.
I think Pinto can carry that value, though admittedly he’s off to a weird bad start this year.
 
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Wondercarrot said:
Ottawa is currently 3 pts behind the rangers, and every rangers fan on these boards makes it sound like they are currently a cluster f***.
Tell you what we’ll take Lafreniere for Shane Pinto, young 2nd line two way centre to be for a 2nd line winger.
Laf is little better right now but Pinto plays the more valuable harder to fill position where the Rangers are weak.
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The Rangers have been struggling and they're still ahead of Ottawa. The Rangers have been to the ECF twice in the last 3 years while Ottawa has missed the playoffs 7 years running.

We can argue about which team gives Brady the better chance at a cup, but what I wrote has nothing to do with the Rangers. Maybe the Rangers will continue to slide and miss the playoffs. Maybe they will miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. That won't change the situation for Ottawa if Brady decides he wants out.

My post was asking what Ottawa must do to avoid that happening. Obviously, they need to make the playoffs. The questions is, how do they get there?

I know Ottawa fans don't want to hear it, but that's the reality of the situation. Players want to win. They aren't going to stay in a bad situation where they feel they have no chance of winning. That doesn't mean Brady will want a trade to the Rangers, but if he wants out, that's bad for Ottawa no matter where he goes.
 
bernmeister said:
I see @Golden_Jet gave a ha ha.

Care to back that up w/any meaningful discussion?
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Why do you need a discussion? Rags aren’t moving Fox, especially for that package, they want to build around him. He’s the least likely of everyone you mentioned to be moved. You just tossed a bunch of big names into a trade idea, I guess after checking puckpedia first?
 
GAGLine said:
My post was asking what Ottawa must do to avoid that happening. Obviously, they need to make the playoffs. The questions is, how do they get there?

I know Ottawa fans don't want to hear it, but that's the reality of the situation. Players want to win. They aren't going to stay in a bad situation where they feel they have no chance of winning. That doesn't mean Brady will want a trade to the Rangers, but if he wants out, that's bad for Ottawa no matter where he goes.
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No problem I can explain what Ottawa needs to do to make the playoffs.

1. Get league average goaltending *

When the Sens get .900 goaltending they are 30-8-5 since the start of last year. Turns out having some historically bad goaltending hurts your chances in making the playoffs!

* They are now getting what they expected from Ullmark, and I expect them to make the playoffs.
 
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