Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

[HogtownSabresfan]

I would trade anything for B.Tkachuk just simply because it would change the entire culture of the free-floaty country-club Rangers. Tkachuk doesn't even need to be a PPG forward in NY for it to be worth it imo and from Ottawa's perspective it could be a chance to fill out the team more so they can actually make the playoffs.

Someone one gets it. The guy is about so much more than just scoring. He's a unicorn. Sure if he had no offense or skills, just a little rat but he has the talent.

I never understand this argument

if he isnt good enough to get PP time, why should that be thought of as a positive?

Saying he it a ~60 point player right now is factual. May he surpass that this year and beyond? Sure maybe. But facts are facts.

Exactly. He's so good he can't make the PP

 

[Barsky]

with almost zero PP time. I don’t understand why thats so hard to comprehend

Having more PP time than anyone else on the second unit isn't exactly "almost zero" now is it, or is that too hard for you to comprehend?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I don't see him being moved without a trade demand, but if that happens - Tkachuk to Anaheim for McTavish + 2025 1st (+)

Tkachuk - Carlsson - Terry
Gauthier - Zegras - Sennecke

 

[Barsky]

You legitimately might be regarded. I cannot have a conversation with you

Likewise, guy that doesn't understand what the word zero means, take care

 

[dgibb10]

I never understand this argument

if he isnt good enough to get PP time, why should that be thought of as a positive?

Saying he it a ~60 point player right now is factual. May he surpass that this year and beyond? Sure maybe. But facts are facts.

It depends on what you need and what you're comparing to.

An elite PP weapon, like a Jack Hughes, Marner, McDrai, Kirill, Kuch, etc, brings a TON of value. tbh the value of an elite PP engine is underrated.

But a guy who's more so just a passenger, or an engine that isn't effective, isn't bringing a lot. They get hurt or replaced, and it won't really hurt your teams PP.

So a guy who is a passenger getting a lot of opportunity (especially when they are only gettig that opportunity because they play on a bad team) isn't giving you more value than a guy who doesn't get that opportunity.

Elite special teams weapons, both on the PK and PP are underrated.

Passengers, both on the PP and PK are overrated. Insert every time you've every heard the argument "this guy kills penalties" for someone like Mitch Marner even though he's frankly dogshit on the PK.

From the rangers perspective in this case, it's not like Tkachuk improves their PP or plays on PP1. They have the best netfront PP guy in the league in kreider already and outside of ego for a star, there's no reason to have Tkachuk replace him there.

 

[Xspyrit]

Tkachuk is solid, not his brother, but solid, but not a fit for Rs esp using that currency

Rs should listen to bern, extend the window, keep cap mgmt under control = roster flexibility by adding quality youth over vets

while Tka. is not particularly old, he is gonna be expensive
unless you consider him a one and done rental

avoid the headache later by not doing deal now, not for high end pieces

How many Rangers fans would actually REFUSE to trade Chris Kreider and Kaapo Kakko for Brady Tkachuk?

I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only one... Maybe a few more homers but seriously, Rangers would jump on that like crazy. Of course, you wouldn't find ONE Sens fan ready to do that, including those who aren't huge Brady fans.

Why?

Simply because Kreider doesn't nearly have the same value as Tkachuk

Kreider is 8+ years older, 2 years left at 6.5 AAV (0.77 PPG since 2022-23, 89th among forwards)
Tkachuk is only 25 y/o, 3 years left at 8.2 AAV (0.98 PPG since 2022-23, 30th among forwards)

Kakko is a good piece but doesn't nearly make up for the difference. IF Kreider was 5 years younger maybe then

 

[Xspyrit]

Stutz Brady and jbd for laffy fox and lindgren

Shake it all up

Value is probably fair but Sens absolutely can't afford to trade Stutzle.

What about a base of Mcavoy for Brady?

I would like to do that but Sens can't afford to trade offense for defense.

 

[bernmeister]

How many Rangers fans would actually REFUSE to trade Chris Kreider and Kaapo Kakko for Brady Tkachuk?

I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only one... Maybe a few more homers but seriously, Rangers would jump on that like crazy. Of course, you wouldn't find ONE Sens fan ready to do that, including those who aren't huge Brady fans.

Why?

Simply because Kreider doesn't nearly have the same value as Tkachuk

Kreider is 8+ years older, 2 years left at 6.5 AAV (0.77 PPG since 2022-23, 89th among forwards)
Tkachuk is only 25 y/o, 3 years left at 8.2 AAV (0.98 PPG since 2022-23, 30th among forwards)

Kakko is a good piece but doesn't nearly make up for the difference. IF Kreider was 5 years younger maybe then

while basically properly assessing Tkachuk value
it grossly under estimates Kreider while ignoring KK so I stand by what I said

CK is older but ESTABLISHED, KNOWN exercise fitness freak
can jump out of a pool in standing water.
He will have another 2-3 seasons IMO before 1-2 yrs ish slowdown/exit
Rs should keep and extend 1 yr at a time on team friendly deal 5-ish
Still scoring this yr despite zib checking out

KK has beyond fully turned the corner and is crushing it

pass

 

[Golden_Jet]

pass

Whew, that’s a relief.

 

[Xspyrit]

while basically properly assessing Tkachuk value
it grossly under estimates Kreider while ignoring KK so I stand by what I said

CK is older but ESTABLISHED, KNOWN exercise fitness freak
can jump out of a pool in standing water.
He will have another 2-3 seasons IMO before 1-2 yrs ish slowdown/exit
Rs should keep and extend 1 yr at a time on team friendly deal 5-ish
Still scoring this yr despite zib checking out

KK has beyond fully turned the corner and is crushing it

lol what is this?

Are you saying Tkachuk is not ESTABLISHED? You think Tkachuk lacks fitness?

I could jump out of a pool when I was young too, never made the NHL. lol

You're that guy who has a 500 K$ house and has the opportunity to trade it for a 1 M$ house and REFUSE because you are sentimentally attached to it

pass

Not sure you're getting it... You don't have to pass as NO ONE is trying to convince you to make that thread. Rangers fans would all do that trade. You're alone on that island.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Probably more replace Kakko with Zib and Tkachuk with Stutzle. Can’t see the Rangers entertaining rearranging the wingers. They need a C, not more expensive wings.

 

[DolansKazoo]

while basically properly assessing Tkachuk value
it grossly under estimates Kreider while ignoring KK so I stand by what I said

CK is older but ESTABLISHED, KNOWN exercise fitness freak
can jump out of a pool in standing water.
He will have another 2-3 seasons IMO before 1-2 yrs ish slowdown/exit
Rs should keep and extend 1 yr at a time on team friendly deal 5-ish
Still scoring this yr despite zib checking out

KK has beyond fully turned the corner and is crushing it

pass

Bern, I'm more of a lurker here and generally enjoy your posts but did you just use the "can jump out of a pool in standing water" argument?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Zib isn't moving, with an NMC, and certainly isn't moving to return to ottawa.

they don't need a C, they need a LHD. Chabot pinto for kreider lindgren is the trade

Lol
Ottawa needs a LD, so they should trade one.

 

[bernmeister]

lol what is this?

Are you saying Tkachuk is not ESTABLISHED? You think Tkachuk lacks fitness?

I could jump out of a pool when I was young too, never made the NHL. lol

You're that guy who has a 500 K$ house and has the opportunity to trade it for a 1 M$ house and REFUSE because you are sentimentally attached to it



Not sure you're getting it... You don't have to pass as NO ONE is trying to convince to make that thread. Rangers fans would all do that trade. You're alone on that island.

santa, reading is yr friend so pay attention
1. like I explained Kreider is a superior athlete who takes pains to remain so, and therefore even approaching mid 30s will be productive. Already a good value, if he stays and offers nyr team friendly re-up around 5m per, that should not be ignored.
To give up that and the emerging KK = following oversimplified math
2 good pieces
setting aside exact value of any piece
both those w together def > Brady T

I trust that broke it down enough for you


only R fans looking to move Kreider are those looking for instant gratification
he is an exception to the rule based on value explained above
should only be dealt if it was exceptional return long term

that would be something like Othmann, not KK, + Kreider for Leonard, as some at our board are pushing, the idea being Caps want CK to help Ovie max the goals scored record

THAT would be such an exception
not what you described

Bern, I'm more of a lurker here and generally enjoy your posts but did you just use the "can jump out of a pool in standing water" argument?

it demonstrates his exceptional physical fitness
water up to your chest, it is not so easy to do, esp from a standing position

so yeah

 

[Golden_Jet]

water up to your chest, it is not so easy to do, esp from a standing position

It was waist high lol, you don’t count ducking down into water so you can spring up. I think you’re misremembering.

 

[bernmeister]

It was waist high lol, you don’t count ducking down into water so you can spring up. I think you’re misremembering.

are you kidding me?
this is from a standing position, not like he ran out of the other end of the pool for acceleration
yeah, he moved under a bit to spring up
that is still not easy

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

lol what is this?

Are you saying Tkachuk is not ESTABLISHED? You think Tkachuk lacks fitness?

I could jump out of a pool when I was young too, never made the NHL. lol

You're that guy who has a 500 K$ house and has the opportunity to trade it for a 1 M$ house and REFUSE because you are sentimentally attached to it



Not sure you're getting it... You don't have to pass as NO ONE is trying to convince to make that thread. Rangers fans would all do that trade. You're alone on that island.

It's Bern. That's his shtick.

 

[Golden_Jet]

are you kidding me?
this is from a standing position, not like he ran out of the other end of the pool for acceleration
yeah, he moved under a bit to spring up
that is still not easy

No I’m not kidding,
I never challenged “standing up”, I said it was waist deep, not chest high,
which can be easily seen., in video.
When he’s just standing, it waist deep.

What I challenged was this,
water up to your chest, it is not so easy to do, esp from a standing position

 

[Xspyrit]

santa,

reading is yr friend so pay attention

I can perfectly read in 3 langages, thank you

The problem is what I am reading is non sense. Just the way you structure your sentences is pretty telling.

1. like I explained Kreider is a superior athlete who takes pains to remain so, and therefore even approaching mid 30s will be productive. Already a good value, if he stays and offers nyr team friendly re-up around 5m per, that should not be ignored.
To give up that and the emerging KK = following oversimplified math
2 good pieces
setting aside exact value of any piece
both those w together def > Brady T

I trust that broke it down enough for you


only R fans looking to move Kreider are those looking for instant gratification
he is an exception to the rule based on value explained above
...
that would be something like Othmann, not KK, + Kreider for Leonard, as some at our board are pushing, the idea being Caps want CK to help Ovie max the goals scored record

THAT would be such an exception
not what you described

lol "I trust" that you have no freaking idea about what you're talking about and you're just an insufferable homer so change your tune and stop talking to me this way fool.

Oh and Kreider was really awful this afternoon, giftwrapped the Habs a come back in the game.

should only be dealt if it was exceptional return long term

This needs to be emphasized to show how delusional this poster is

The return is an unicorn power forward who is 8 years younger and destroys Kreider both in raw and advanced stats but the guy needs an "exceptional return long term"

It's Bern. That's his shtick.

Not sure it's a shtick, I think he's posting up to his full potential actually.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The alleged insider has been quiet about this trade so I don't know if it has lost steam, or if he was just never an insider at all.

 

[bernmeister]

....

:facepalm:
What facepalm? Look at yr avatar, then at yourself in the mirror. LOL

"I can perfectly read in 3 langages, thank you"
If you can manage English well enough, that will suffice.

"The problem is what I am reading is non sense."
That is YOUR opinion.
It is repudiated by actual facts I presented (vjz., Kreider still looks good over next 3-5 years, at nyr team friendly price = great value, etc.), which are accurate.

Your willful choice to ignore those facts does not negate and undo what I said, even tho you would obv like that.

"Just the way you structure your sentences is pretty telling."
I am a professional wordsmith who sidelines as a composer-lyricist.
If I elect to take artistic license with how I structure my phrasing
just so I can add emphasis
I freaking will.

"lol "I trust" that you have no freaking idea about what you're talking about"
bern is a champion of free speech and the exchange of ideas
hence I am tolerant
but you need to take care when you say I "have no freaking idea..."; I have a track record* in close to real time about R moves and player appraisals, and they are usually correct.
{* includes but is not limited to, should have dealt Buch much earlier when he had term, should not have done rentals, etc. etc., etc}

"and you're just an insufferable homer"
again, your opinion and you have the right to be wrong.

"so change your tune and stop talking to me this way"
watch it, nobody tells bern what to do

"fool."
The more you rant
the more you rave
makes you sound less like a king
and more like a knave.

...................although in this particular instance, you may be presenting yourself as playing the fool.


"Oh and Kreider was really awful this afternoon, giftwrapped the Habs a come back in the game."
Wow, that you feel the need to say something like that intended to be hurtful is telling.
It is documented Kreider was out coupla games had back/related issues.
No prob if he takes another few off to fully recover.
He is still a star, one your team and most of the league's clubs can use/covet, and guess what?
YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM

"This needs to be emphasized to show how delusional this poster is"
{this is relative to your quote of my statement: "should only be dealt if it was exceptional return long term"}
It is you, not I, who appear delusional here.
Kreider's production + cost = great value, so why should I not say no unless it is too good to turn down, and not just short term.

"The return is an unicorn power forward who is 8 years younger and destroys Kreider both in raw and advanced stats but the guy needs an "exceptional return long term""
The above is the misleading, disingenuous statement of a hypocrite.
1. Return is not for Kreider straight up 1:1, it is for CK + KK. As I noted Kakko has signif upside still and should be kept.
That you do not acknowledge this is a reflection on you, and it is a bad image.

2. That aside, cap does not entertain us acquiring BT b'c Rs did not listen to bern, have handed out NMCs like candy, and now it is biting up the ass. Rs CAN NOT typically add another actual or projected long term salary without moving Zib, Trouba or Fox -- and that does not include Shesty.
Again, Kreider is a hair below 6.5 if I remember and if he stays, is likely to go 1 yr at a time for a team friendly 5-ish m per, imo. So he is not really part of the structural cap that has to be managed going forward.

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You've been bad Santa, and you know it.
Put yourself on the naughty list and don't waste bern's time again.

 

[TGWL]

while basically properly assessing Tkachuk value
it grossly under estimates Kreider while ignoring KK so I stand by what I said

CK is older but ESTABLISHED, KNOWN exercise fitness freak
can jump out of a pool in standing water.
He will have another 2-3 seasons IMO before 1-2 yrs ish slowdown/exit
Rs should keep and extend 1 yr at a time on team friendly deal 5-ish
Still scoring this yr despite zib checking out

KK has beyond fully turned the corner and is crushing it

pass

Krieder has already slowed down as far as overall play. It seems like your definition of slow down is simply 4th line, barely scraping by production wise. That's not really a slow down. That's near expiration. I'm not the biggest Brady fan when it comes to turning around the flaws of this team. ...like forwards backchecking. But Kreider and Kakko would be an easy decision.

 

[MCR74]

I would trade anything for B.Tkachuk just simply because it would change the entire culture of the free-floaty country-club Rangers. Tkachuk doesn't even need to be a PPG forward in NY for it to be worth it imo and from Ottawa's perspective it could be a chance to fill out the team more so they can actually make the playoffs.

Yes, because he's certainly doing wonders with the Sens culture.

 

[TGWL]

Yes, because he's certainly doing wonders with the Sens culture.

The truth is he would fit right in with the teams current effort level on team defense, not improve the culture.

 

[bernmeister]

Krieder has already slowed down as far as overall play. It seems like your definition of slow down is simply 4th line, barely scraping by production wise. That's not really a slow down. That's near expiration. I'm not the biggest Brady fan when it comes to turning around the flaws of this team. ...like forwards backchecking. But Kreider and Kakko would be an easy decision.

we are roughly 5th of the season
CK has 9 or so Gs not more and no assists due to Zib

I don't all that slowing down