Why do you think he blows the zone early? Coaching? Part of the breakout strategy?
Why is caught deep when the puck goes the other way? Is he the net front presence? The guy behind the goal line?
Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI
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Why is caught deep when the puck goes the other way? Is he the net front presence? The guy behind the goal line?
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He does his best work in deep. That's where he thrives. So no surprise he gets caught deep. He gets lazy on the back check quite often though. Even if you are the deep guy or F1, back pressure is still a good way to disrupt the opposition's attack.
He either isn't trying to get back or the coaching staff wants him to stay out of our zone for a potential stretch pass. I think it's a bit of both. And I think it's a bit of a problem.
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It’s wild to me that this is a complaint especially after a game where we tried playing east-west too much against a team that religiously plays a North-South game. Anybody notice Carolina forwards leaving the zone early and breaking down our NZ coverage? It’s so common in to days game. Some people may not like it which is fine but to say it’s a player trying to cheat offensively is flat out wrong. You want to look for players cheating offensively it the ones who are on the wrong side of the puck when defending. It’s not getting in front of your man when he has the puck. Tkachuk isn’t the strongest defender but he isn’t weak either.
also what’s with the too many men comment. The team has been called twice this year for it which is far from the most. Last year the team took a lot but that hasn’t been the case this year, just shows how narratives outlive their validity.
But pressure from behind isn't typically coming from the downlow guy. That tracking has to come from the high forward.
Because his line with Tank and Batherson clicked and scored a bunch of 5 on 5 goals?
Stuetzle was -2 on Tuesday btw, as was his line
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Joseph-Stutzle-Giroux also clicked and put up good +/-. I wonder what the common denominator or lack of was?
Brady and Stutzle scored a bunch last year on 5 on 5 why where they still negative?
Why has brady been a negative every year of his career despite playing with the best players on the team?
Saying that Brady's defensive play is ok, or that the coach tells him to be bad defensively or it isn't Bradys fault his line is always - is a big part of the loser attitude of the team.
Sorry Zub. I don't want to have an extended discussion with you about Brady Tkachuk.
Yup, I'll talk to Zub about any other topic, but when it's Tkachuk, there is no logic happening. There's a blind hatred there from 2018.
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What’s that have to do with F1, F3, you didn’t explain that part.
Timmy is usually F3 when he gets puck in Sens zone.
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You haven’t provided any stats on who is +/- on which lines, this year yet, least I haven’t seen any.
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just going off the mental math and what i was seeing.
Brady and Stutzle were putrid together defensively.
Joseph-Stutzle-Giroux were better defensively.
And recently since Stutzle and Brady were separated Stutzle numbers exploded.
maybe the numbers don't back that up in which case sure i'll eat crow, but we all know that Brady and Stutzle together were the worst defensively.
By contrast if you put Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson together and that line was negative would you expect the team to make the playoffs? hell naw
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Ya check out moneypuck, you likely find answers there, I’m too lazy to check if it’s accurate or not.
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I don't necessarily agree or disagree with @Agent Zub on this topic, but the questions he just asked are valid and worth responding; I was hoping you or someone else would provide a convincing response instead of ending the discussion. Brady has indeed been a minus every year except for this year. I imagine the answer is a combination of:
- he goes against the opposition's top line
- the whole team has sucked, so his plus-minus is just a byproduct of that
- plus-minus is not a good stat
Still, one would expect a captain and someone making a big chunk of the payroll to be a solution to, and not a product of, the team's problems.
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i didn't see an option i think it's 5 on 5 by default and at least 30 minutes played together.
anyway what tells me is that Brady lines gets lit up. we basically have to pair him with Norris and Giroux or Joseph so that we don't get lit up.
Also that a a Stuzle line away from Brady has been pretty much elite defensively and offensively.
Well, truth of it is, I had a response typed out that included 2 of your bullet points but then I thought...nope not having that conversation with Zub.
But he did post some interesting stats. Clearly Tkachuk and Tarasenko hasn't worked.
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No. The high forward ideally clogs the neutral zone taking away passing lanes and is in front of the play. ie. taking away space.
The other two forwards should be pressuring the D or C who is carrying the puck by applying back pressure. ie. taking away time.
Being the deepest forward does not absolve you of defensive or neutral zone responsibilities. Or at least it doesn't on a well coached team.
TL;DR - get over yourself. Giroux has a job. That's it.
I never said he didn't want to win, nor did I say that wearing a neck guard had anything to do with it. I said it was a family decision, meaning he wants to be around for his family - which is exactly what he said.
Absolutely he came here to retire. He moved back to the general area he's from, where he played junior and now he's laying down roots for his post career where his toddler children can go to school and learn French. It seems like a retirement situation to me. If he signs with a Cup contender after next year, then fine, I'm wrong.
He's driven by winning? No argument there. It doesn't mean he's a great leader or a bad leader, nor that he wants to be one at this point in his life, which was my original point, but he's never played for Canada after his junior career.
Is Brady Tkachuk a great leader just because he wears the C? Nope.
I'm quite sure Giroux's a likeable guy, so with a microphone shoved in your face, yeah, you're going to say nice things.
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I bet you take fantasy hockey and/or football very seriously. You probably attend fantasy hockey fantasy camps.
Don't take it personally, though. I don't. If you care that much, so be it, more power to you.
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You should probably stop placing bets everywhere immediately.
I don’t watch football at all, or any other pro sports, don’t play fantasy sports at all, and don’t care deeply about pro sports in general, hence why I don’t freak out in here after every loss.
Double or nothing?
You're not a MOD, so you don't need to protect the integrity of the forum. No hard feelings though.You should probably stop placing bets everywhere immediately.
I don’t watch football at all, or any other pro sports, don’t play fantasy sports at all, and don’t care deeply about pro sports in general, hence why I don’t freak out in here after every loss.
Double or nothing?
I didn't freak out about a single loss. I looked at a pattern of behaviour by the supposed captain, and said maybe Giroux isn't able to/doesn't want to babysit these children at this stage in his life. That was it.
General rant.. enough with the shots of Keith Tkachuk and family in the stands. He doesn't play anymore. You'd think he was the one calling the shots. F that guy.
If you sort by expected goals which takes into account bad and good goaltending you get a far different picture.
Rank | Line | Type | Minutes | Games | xGoals % | xGoals For | xGoals Against | xGoals For Per 60 Minutes | xGoals Against Per 60 Minutes | ||
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| F | 74 | 8 | 63.4% | 4.5 | 2.6 | 3.65 | 2.11 |
