Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

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Yes, but that's you. Pro athletes don't just work; they work to win. And to win they need everyone committed to doing the right things to win. Big difference.
No, that's real life.

Pro athletes come from a wide range of personalities and idiosyncratic backgrounds. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader, or wants to be the leader, regardless of the pay.
 

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No, that's real life.

Pro athletes come from a wide range of personalities and idiosyncratic backgrounds. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader, or wants to be the leader, regardless of the pay.
Agreed but a guy like Giroux was already a leader for many years on another team. He certainly should be stepping up more than he seems to be.
 

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Agreed but a guy like Giroux was already a leader for many years on another team. He certainly should be stepping up more than he seems to be.
So.. was he ever, then?

He's basically a point a game with Ottawa. Why did Philly and FLA let him go? It can't be because of poor production while playing on one of the worst teams in the League for roughly 100 games.
 
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So.. was he ever, then?

He's basically a point a game with Ottawa. Why did Philly and FLA let him go? It can't be because of poor production while playing on one of the worst teams in the League for roughly 100 games.

Is this a serious question.
 

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Is this a serious question.
Do you know him? I don't.

What makes you think he wants to be a teacher at this point in his life? Maybe he just wants to be a player in front of his young children?

He's wearing a neck guard now because it was a family decision, according to the media reports I heard.
 

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and i mean who is to say Giroux, Tarasenko, Hamonic, DJ and now Jacques Martin and f***ing Daniel Alfredsson aren't providing the mentorship?

but its a two way street. they can lecture, teach and preach all they want but the change has to come from the player themselves.

but these kids seem to be wanting none of that. if ever we could describe players as spoiled frat boys its this young group here.
 

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and i mean who is to say Giroux, Tarasenko, Hamonic, DJ and now Jacques Martin and f***ing Daniel Alfredsson aren't providing the mentorship?

but its a two way street. they can lecture, teach and preach all they want but the change has to come from the player themselves.

but these kids seem to be wanting none of that. if ever we could describe players as spoiled frat boys its this young group here.

Good point. They might be doing everything possible behind the scenes to provide mentorship, and the kids aren't wanting to listen. Hard to know since we're not privvy to what's happening in the room.

But whatever is happening, things aren't moving forward the way they should.
 

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Good point. They might be doing everything possible behind the scenes to provide mentorship, and the kids aren't wanting to listen. Hard to know since we're not privvy to what's happening in the room.

But whatever is happening, things aren't moving forward the way they should.
Fire the coach and trading one of the core will get their attention.

Trade Chychrun.
 

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Do you know him? I don't.

What makes you think he wants to be a teacher at this point in his life? Maybe he just wants to be a player in front of his young children?

He's wearing a neck guard now because it was a family decision, according to the media reports I heard.
What another dumb comment.

Do you have kids, or a family? Do you happen to have people in your life who care about you?

Just because you do something safety oriented for your partner and kids doesn’t mean anything beyond that.

He came here because he wanted to play here, and he wants to win here. He absolutely knows that he’s a mentor and leader on this young team, he’s said as much about a million times since arriving.

This thread is really identifying some seriously lame Sens fans.
 

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What another dumb comment.

Do you have kids, or a family? Do you happen to have people in your life who care about you?

Just because you do something safety oriented for your partner and kids doesn’t mean anything beyond that.

He came here because he wanted to play here, and he wants to win here. He absolutely knows that he’s a mentor and leader on this young team, he’s said as much about a million times since arriving.

This thread is really identifying some seriously lame Sens fans.
I genuinely couldn't care less what you say about me .

He came here for the retirement contract, that's it. His current production is a bonus. What says he has to be/wants to be a leader of children?

Tell us when you speak to Claude and ask him why he really wanted to come to Ottawa.
 
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I genuinely couldn't care less what you say about me .

He came here for the retirement contract, that's it. His current production is a bonus. What says he has to be/wants to be a leader of children?

Tell us when you speak to Claude and ask him why he really wanted to come to Ottawa.
Of course you couldn’t care less, but then again my response wasn’t about you.

It’s simply good for the board to challenge posts like yours out of principle.
 
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Do you know him? I don't.

What makes you think he wants to be a teacher at this point in his life? Maybe he just wants to be a player in front of his young children?

He's wearing a neck guard now because it was a family decision, according to the media reports I heard.

I don’t know him but there are a lot of people who do who speak of him as a leader and someone who is driven by winning. Absolutely insane to suggest that becuase he wears a f***ing neck guard, that he doesn’t want to win. He was named an assistant captain from the day he signed, that wasn’t based on vibes.
 

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weird game for you to make your point.

Brady embarrassed all of us last night and honestly brought shame to the logo with his antics. wack for any player, let alone the captain. everyone is laughing at him and us and its on all the hockey highlights. the thing is they don't even know that he does it all the time when the game is out of reach like we do.

it is not captain traits to throw temper tantrum like a spoiled kid anytime something doesn't go his way.

also i know that Brady is a unique player he is like 1 of 5 legit power forwards in the game, his shift on the Norris goal was monster.

but how the f*** does it excuse that Brady will skate harder and faster on a f***ing penalty shot than on the backcheck. f***ing wack.

there is a huge problem on this team of the young high paid kids refusing to do their duty in terms defensive work. its our biggest problem, and Brady is the ringleader in this aspect.

Stutzle had a Brady esque defensive game last night and I've never been more disgusted in his play. if he makes it a habit I'll call him out too for unacceptable bullshit.

you think im biased but you're the one who treats brady with kiddie gloves literally never call out his egregious play. why? dude has almost 400 nhl games played now, he signed a 60 mill contract.

its okay to expect more from brady.
Embarrassed the team when the goalie made a dangerous play that was clearly a penalty.... Players get hurt in those situations all the time. Has that every happened to you? (I know the answer thats a rhetorical question). Again you're just lost and mired with blind hate/bias because you don't like/understand the impact physical hockey has on a game. Because like my earlier comment suggested you've never played. Never been in a dressing room etc.

If you actually did understand what he brings and how it impacts a game saying he's 1 of 5 players in the league that does it then you'd recognize the value.

I don't think he's had his best season or most consistent effort physically. I also know how hard it is to play like that night in night out. I also don't presume to know what he's dealing with physically. But having watched most of his games in his career I know he's battling something.

Reading your pissing and moaning about Tkachuk constantly is tired and shows alot about your general hockey knowledge.
 

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Brady needs a head coach who is a better counterweight to Brady’s youth and his need to fight every battle (the poke check, the booing, the management controversies, the media) - Brady needs a Head Coach who is a bit of an experienced legend to provide a more supportive path for everything that a young Brady Tkachuk has on his plate right now.

Brady is amazing and takes so much on but if Stone was the Captain of this team or Barry Trotz was the coach things for Brady would have a ton more Support around him and for his age and the enormity of the commitment he’s made, he needs it. We’ve seen So many impressive young NHL Captains over the years but they still need good support and winners around them to become winners themselves
 

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Embarrassed the team when the goalie made a dangerous play that was clearly a penalty.... Players get hurt in those situations all the time. Has that every happened to you? (I know the answer thats a rhetorical question). Again you're just lost and mired with blind hate/bias because you don't like/understand the impact physical hockey has on a game. Because like my earlier comment suggested you've never played. Never been in a dressing room etc.

If you actually did understand what he brings and how it impacts a game saying he's 1 of 5 players in the league that does it then you'd recognize the value.

I don't think he's had his best season or most consistent effort physically. I also know how hard it is to play like that night in night out. I also don't presume to know what he's dealing with physically. But having watched most of his games in his career I know he's battling something.

Reading your pissing and moaning about Tkachuk constantly is tired and shows alot about your general hockey knowledge.

I basically tune out the OP when the topic of Tkachuk comes up. That poster has been critical from day 1 of the 2018 draft because they were a Zadina fanboy. They still haven't given up on that.
 
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Brady needs a head coach who is a better counterweight to Brady’s youth and his need to fight every battle (the poke check, the booing, the management controversies, the media) - Brady needs a Head Coach who is a bit of an experienced legend to provide a more supportive path for everything that a young Brady Tkachuk has on his plate right now.

Brady is amazing and takes so much on but if Stone was the Captain of this team or Barry Trotz was the coach things for Brady would have a ton more Support around him and for his age and the enormity of the commitment he’s made, he needs it. We’ve seen So many impressive young NHL Captains over the years but they still need good support and winners around them to become winners themselves
Great points. Imagine if Torts was his coach? They would have some battles behind closed doors but Torts would come out guns a blazing for BT in public. Torts knows the true value of having a guy like that on your team.
 

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Great points. Imagine if Torts was his coach? They would have some battles behind closed doors but Torts would come out guns a blazing for BT in public. Torts knows the true value of having a guy like that on your team.

Torts once said when a reporter asked him if he was beyon g tough on his players “That’s coaching” and he meant he was using coercive tools to get the best out of his player. Brady needs a bit of that, not a coach who’s going to make it nice for him but someone to protect him but also challenge him when he needs it
 

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Embarrassed the team when the goalie made a dangerous play that was clearly a penalty.... Players get hurt in those situations all the time. Has that every happened to you? (I know the answer thats a rhetorical question). Again you're just lost and mired with blind hate/bias because you don't like/understand the impact physical hockey has on a game. Because like my earlier comment suggested you've never played. Never been in a dressing room etc.

If you actually did understand what he brings and how it impacts a game saying he's 1 of 5 players in the league that does it then you'd recognize the value.

I don't think he's had his best season or most consistent effort physically. I also know how hard it is to play like that night in night out. I also don't presume to know what he's dealing with physically. But having watched most of his games in his career I know he's battling something.

Reading your pissing and moaning about Tkachuk constantly is tired and shows alot about your general hockey knowledge.

I just want a captain who plays well defensively, consistently, and leads the team in good habits has composure and stabilizes the team.

Is that so much to ask for?

Also I have done that to people and had it happen to me, not to mention seen it happen to others. Not to mention it happens in the NHL.

No one ever reacted like Brady.

Also it's not just that incident, how many tantrums has Brady thrown in the last minutes after we're down multiple goals? That's what's embarrassing.

It's Loser child attitude. Not captain shit at all.
 
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I basically tune out the OP when the topic of Tkachuk comes up. That poster has been critical from day 1 of the 2018 draft because they were a Zadina fanboy. They still haven't given up on that.

I wanted Zadina who sucks ass, thankfully we picked Tkachuk. I want to see him in a 7 game series for the Sens.
 
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I basically tune out the OP when the topic of Tkachuk comes up. That poster has been critical from day 1 of the 2018 draft because they were a Zadina fanboy. They still haven't given up on that.

At least get it right. I was a Hughes fanboy.

You know the defenceman who has 39 points in 29 and leads the league in +/-.

And you guys still tell me Brady is better and it's not close.
 

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Embarrassed the team when the goalie made a dangerous play that was clearly a penalty.... Players get hurt in those situations all the time. Has that every happened to you? (I know the answer thats a rhetorical question). Again you're just lost and mired with blind hate/bias because you don't like/understand the impact physical hockey has on a game. Because like my earlier comment suggested you've never played. Never been in a dressing room etc.

If you actually did understand what he brings and how it impacts a game saying he's 1 of 5 players in the league that does it then you'd recognize the value.

I don't think he's had his best season or most consistent effort physically. I also know how hard it is to play like that night in night out. I also don't presume to know what he's dealing with physically. But having watched most of his games in his career I know he's battling something.

Reading your pissing and moaning about Tkachuk constantly is tired and shows alot about your general hockey knowledge.

Tkachuk is a great player to have but challenging other team's goalies and benches late in a 4-1 (or 5-0, etc.) is lame. To call it embarrassing might be a bit dramatic but he needs to cut that shit out.

I'm as competitive a person as you'll find and I hate losing. I played on some serious basement dwellers and would lose my shit at refs, take stupid penalties, get ejected from games and all that crap with some regularity in those garbage seasons. Then I turned 16. And I realized it does no good.

I know the NHL is different and no one in their right mind should want to curb Tkachuk's fire and enthusiasm. The players seem to respond to it (although I found Tuesday's response muted, which is interesting) so it can obviously be of use. The players often take their lead from Brady, which is good. I just want him to lead them in the direction of good defense, attention to detail and unselfish play. Lately his actions are leading them more to getting points, settling scores late in blowout games and throwing fits. It's immature and his priorities seem to be skewing a little bit. Someone needs to get him back on track. If the current coaching staff can't or won't do that then that is just one more reason to show them the door, stat.
 
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and i mean who is to say Giroux, Tarasenko, Hamonic, DJ and now Jacques Martin and f***ing Daniel Alfredsson aren't providing the mentorship?

but its a two way street. they can lecture, teach and preach all they want but the change has to come from the player themselves.

but these kids seem to be wanting none of that. if ever we could describe players as spoiled frat boys its this young group here.

TBH Brady and Batherson are going to be a bad influence on Stutzle, if not already are

How ever, with all the defensive short comings with Chabot, I don't think he is spoiled, and Norris also seems to have a good head on his shoulders, except for he just isn't that good

I just want a captain who plays well defensively, consistently, and leads the team in good habits has composure and stabilizes the team.

Is that so much to ask for?

Also I have done that to people and had it happen to me, not to mention seen it happen to others. Not to mention it happens in the NHL.

No one ever reacted like Brady.

Also it's not just that incident, how many tantrums has Brady thrown in the last minutes after we're down multiple goals? That's what's embarrassing.

It's Loser child attitude. Not captain shit at all.

Fans and Media around the NHL are having a field day with Brady's tantrums
 

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You mean he should act like Alfie when he mocked Sundin pretending to throw his broken stick into the stands? Or when Alfie shot the puck at Niedermeyer after the whistle?
No captain is perfect.

In the Stanley Cup Final? Where he willed his Team there, especially in that series against the unbeatable Ducks?

Now that is a true Captain!

No complaints there!
 

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