Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[OD99]

Are people actually turning on Brady? I don't think so?

As for cheating for offence, that is the system and other teams do it too. I personally don't like it as it leads to turnovers and odd man situations against but it isn't Brady just deciding to leave the zone.

Let's put that fallacy to rest. Last night, he made a number of good defensive plays both in our zone and in the offensive side.

The structure in our zone is bad. Full stop. Even with the low shots against there is nothing fluid in our zone and we give the puck away when there is no pressure way, way too much.

Brady is the heart of the team and we are very lucky to have him.

 

[JD1]

Are people actually turning on Brady? I don't think so?

As for cheating for offence, that is the system and other teams do it too. I personally don't like it as it leads to turnovers and odd man situations against but it isn't Brady just deciding to leave the zone.

Let's put that fallacy to rest. Last night, he made a number of good defensive plays both in our zone and in the offensive side.

The structure in our zone is bad. Full stop. Even with the low shots against there is nothing fluid in our zone and we give the puck away when there is no pressure way, way too much.

Brady is the heart of the team and we are very lucky to have him.

Is it structure or execution?

Stuetzle's play last night was execution.

I wasn't counting but there had to have been 10 plays last night where one of our guys didn't move the puck out in a situation where they weren't threatened

Until that dries up, it's kind of difficult to say it is a structure issue imo.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I don't think anyone is turning on Brady but he's definitely had subpar (not awful!) performances since he called out the fans (which I thought was fine, he was pissed)

 

[Ice-Tray]

Yep. One thing we desperately need is a big team buy-in with the physical and punishing play. We have a lot of big boys on the roster. They need to use that size more consistently.


That might be asking a lot from Greig. I love the kid, but I'm not sure if he is 2C level in the creativity department.

But it would definitely be a chaos line. Other teams would hate playing against it once they're going.

Yeah the jury is still out on Griegs ceiling, but having said that I don’t really see pinto or Norris as particularly creative either.

In fact pinto, Norris, Ostapchuk could be a killer shut down third line eventually

Is it structure or execution?

Stuetzle's play last night was execution.

I wasn't counting but there had to have been 10 plays last night where one of our guys didn't move the puck out in a situation where they weren't threatened

Until that dries up, it's kind of difficult to say it is a structure issue imo.

Unfortunately I don’t think it matters anymore.

If the structure is bad then we need a new structure.

If the structure is sound but the players aren’t executing we need a new voice.

Either way it looks like we need something new and you can’t can’t replace the whole team as we know.

I think it’s time.

 

[OD99]

Is it structure or execution?

Stuetzle's play last night was execution.

I wasn't counting but there had to have been 10 plays last night where one of our guys didn't move the puck out in a situation where they weren't threatened

Until that dries up, it's kind of difficult to say it is a structure issue imo.

Basically what Ice said.

When we are scrambling around and there isn't an easy out or we rim it around tbe boards to the other team when there is no pressure, we create our own chaos.

Things have looked ugly for a while and with the D we currently have, there shouldn't be such consistent issues.

 

[JD1]

Yeah the jury is still out on Griegs ceiling, but having said that I don’t really see pinto or Norris as particularly creative either.

In fact pinto, Norris, Ostapchuk could be a killer shut down third line eventually


Unfortunately I don’t think it matters anymore.

If the structure is bad then we need a new structure.

If the structure is sound but the players aren’t executing we need a new voice.

Either way it looks like we need something new and you can’t can’t replace the whole team as we know.

I think it’s time.

That Stuetzle play really pissed me off. If that doesn't happen

We're tied after 1
We have a lead half way thru the second and V is chasing
We're tied after 2.

Instead we chased the game for almost 30 minutes and went into the 3rd down a goal.

The 2nd Vancouver goal changed the complexion of the game. It was just a stupid, lazy, fancy assed play.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That Stuetzle play really pissed me off. If that doesn't happen

We're tied after 1
We have a lead half way thru the second and V is chasing
We're tied after 2.

Instead we chased the game for almost 30 minutes and went into the 3rd down a goal.

The 2nd Vancouver goal changed the complexion of the game. It was just a stupid, lazy, fancy assed play.

Oh I agree, those plays are brutal, and Chabot does them as well.

The good news is those things are coachable for a new voice in my opinion (unless you’re Jason Spezza

I don’t think we need a hard ass or anything, just a new voice that makes it clear that in his world these things are not acceptable.

For so long with DJ all of these things have been acceptable development foibles for the kids, and as assistant coach it’s great to have a guy who’s in your corner with patience all the time.

But it’s time to grow up, and as I put it in another thread, I don’t think DJ can transition from nurturer and developer to the strict task master that this team now needs.

And to be clear I think that’s naturally difficult for any team to expect. McLean couldn’t make the switch either.

 

[R We A Team]

So we allow all of 4 shots all period but are losing 2-1 and you want to blame the system? After 5 shots they had 3 goals.

That is goaltending not system.

There is more than 1 game where we allowed minimal shots but still lost because our goalies only come to play occasionally it seems.

Once you start chasing of course the shots against will go up. For a good portion of period 1 and 2 we were all over them but again if your goalie let's in a goal every other shot it's hard to win.

It's not the system when the goalies suck!!

 

[OD99]

So we allow all of 4 shots all period but are losing 2-1 and you want to blame the system? After 5 shots they had 3 goals.

That is goaltending not system.

There is more than 1 game where we allowed minimal shots but still lost because our goalies only come to play occasionally it seems.

Once you start chasing of course the shots against will go up. For a good portion of period 1 and 2 we were all over them but again if your goalie let's in a goal every other shot it's hard to win.

It's not the system when the goalies suck!!

Did you see the goals?

Full cross ice pass to open man on his forehand with all the room to rip it upstairs. Forsberg even made the save! It happened to be he could only save it after it crossed the goal line.

We had 4 guys back and the pass made it through 3 of them, particularly JBD as he had no clue the guy was there, for some reason.

The 2nd goal we had everything under control with no pressure yet it ends up high slot with their guy all alone. Nice fake and goal. Neither of those are on Forsberg.

3rd is the same. Drop pass to a great shooter with all the time in the world and maybe a bit of a screen. Labeled top corner.

That loss isn't on Forsberg at all. The boys give up prime opportunities all the time and we aren't fighting for dirty goals unless it's Brady. We over pass the puck and that's actually what led to the Nucks 3rd goal. Soft, lazy play by Norris as offensive blueline when he HAD to make sure it got in deep.

 

[HF2002]

I don’t think we need a hard ass or anything, just a new voice that makes it clear that in his world these things are not acceptable.

For so long with DJ all of these things have been acceptable development foibles for the kids, and as assistant coach it’s great to have a guy who’s in your corner with patience all the time.

But it’s time to grow up, and as I put it in another thread, I don’t think DJ can transition from nurturer and developer to the strict task master that this team now needs.

You can't be a hard ass coach anymore. Dave Smart, (not sure if you're familiar with him) was a hard ass. He was very successful at Carleton U because of it. Society shifted and he had to adjust. He finally got a job in college basketball in the US just this year. The timing of the move may have been due to family considerations, but he admitted on 1200 that he had to adjust to the times. The only leverage he had was playing time.

Jacques Martin said the same thing just the other day. His only leverage was playing time.

I agree. It's time to move on from a coach who is loyal to his players.

 

[Oduyanow]

I don't think anyone is turning on Brady but he's definitely had subpar (not awful!) performances since he called out the fans (which I thought was fine, he was pissed)

I'm super frustrated ... with DJ - definitely not Brady. Let's all remember, Brady is still a kid with a developing brain, (yup, at 24) and yes, he's making mistakes, just like you and I did at that age. Only ours weren't amplified far and wide.

He's learning very valuable lessons which he will put to good use in the future I am sure. Have faith.

 

[Dionysus]

Had some superb shifts in the 3rd locking the game down against Calgary. Great hustle, winning battles, getting pucks in and out, back checking hard. That is what the Sens need from their captain.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[GCK]

So I guess we are ignoring the whole thing with Hoffman?

Or how about how many people in the Ottawa area thought EK was a bit of a prick with the public?

Cmon man you gotta do better

He was a prick, but mostly just from his massive ego. Having said that, he’s gone through a lot personally and professionally since the couple times I met him, I’m willing to wager that he’s a better person now than he was at 24 or 25 years old.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

He was a prick, but mostly just from his massive ego. Having said that, he’s gone through a lot personally and professionally since the couple times I met him, I’m willing to wager that he’s a better person now than he was at 24 or 25 years old.

I guess its a fine line between being cocky and being confident. Maybe he's simmered down to just ultra confident from how he was in Ottawa.

Not the most humble, friendly fellah back in those days that's for sure.

Still . . . not nearly as big a prick as Heately. Man that guy was an ass.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Big Muddy]

Did you see the goals?

Full cross ice pass to open man on his forehand with all the room to rip it upstairs. Forsberg even made the save! It happened to be he could only save it after it crossed the goal line.

We had 4 guys back and the pass made it through 3 of them, particularly JBD as he had no clue the guy was there, for some reason.

The 2nd goal we had everything under control with no pressure yet it ends up high slot with their guy all alone. Nice fake and goal. Neither of those are on Forsberg.

3rd is the same. Drop pass to a great shooter with all the time in the world and maybe a bit of a screen. Labeled top corner.

That loss isn't on Forsberg at all. The boys give up prime opportunities all the time and we aren't fighting for dirty goals unless it's Brady. We over pass the puck and that's actually what led to the Nucks 3rd goal. Soft, lazy play by Norris as offensive blueline when he HAD to make sure it got in deep.

Goalies are the easy scapegoat. It's amazing how goalies who are labelled bad goalies are able to play better after being traded to a team that plays a strong defensive game.

 

[Korpse]

Has to do a better job of dealing with pests.

 

[Flamingo]

Has to do a better job of dealing with pests.

I'd like to think this is the actual Korpisalo's account.

 

[Tuna99]

Somebody needs to tell Brady his boy D.J. Is getting fired and it’s for the best.

 

[Karl Prime]

After the game the panel was talking about how Brady is the only guy after McEwen that will scrap and scrum and get into it physically. I don't think that's the case. What about Hamonic, Kelly, even JBD? You don't have to be an out and out fighter to be able to stand up for your teammates. In the past it wasn't just Neil getting into it. Smith, In the past 15 years we've had guys like Gryba, Cowen, Carkner, Greening, Methot .... even Phillips would scrap once in a while. Pageau could be pesty.

I know Brady feels he probably has to start stuff to get the team going because he's the captain, but he needs to be on the ice.

 

[Icelevel]

After the game the panel was talking about how Brady is the only guy after McEwen that will scrap and scrum and get into it physically. I don't think that's the case. What about Hamonic, Kelly, even JBD? You don't have to be an out and out fighter to be able to stand up for your teammates. In the past it wasn't just Neil getting into it. Smith, In the past 15 years we've had guys like Gryba, Cowen, Carkner, Greening, Methot .... even Phillips would scrap once in a while. Pageau could be pesty.

I know Brady feels he probably has to start stuff to get the team going because he's the captain, but he needs to be on the ice.

Kastelic, Ostapchuk and Boucher will be able to help in that area.
I agree we lack toughness. Our “tough guy” is the opposite of intimidating.

 

[Flamingo]

I was disappointed Brady didn’t stand up for Korpi. He shoved every Panther he could, but didn’t even glance at Matthew, who was standing right next to him. Matthew’s antics were really bush league. Brady’s misplaced aggression was worse than no pushback.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Dude has been complete ass since he cried about the fans. Alfie would never.

 

[JungleBeat]

Being a little baby about the fans and giving the other Tkachuk a free pass to potentially injure our goalie.