Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[PlayItAgain]

that post was made in December 2021 so I was still basing my mental models off previous years data vs that 3 month old season. Scoring has exploded last two years.

And there are 3 points for every goal so looking at it like that isn't fair, not to mention the increase in scoring will concentrate more on the top lines since they are ones who play the premier scoring minutes as well as the powerplay. The rules were changed to benefit these players.

Just stop man. Even using 20/21 goal/game averages your predictions are way off. 20/21 compared to now, there would be 260 more goals across the league. Even using your metric 3 points per goal thats only 780 more points on the table for all the players. Might justify 2 points difference for higher end players. At most.

 

[DJB]

that post was made in December 2021 so I was still basing my mental models off previous years data vs that 3 month old season. Scoring has exploded last two years.

And there are 3 points for every goal so looking at it like that isn't fair, not to mention the increase in scoring will concentrate more on the top lines since they are ones who play the premier scoring minutes as well as the powerplay. The rules were changed to benefit these players.

At this point it seems you are in so deep you can’t go back and that’s what it feels like to the rest of us.

You can keep on digging yourself a hole or as I have previously offered to you an opportunity to come clean which you previously refused

Admit you were wrong about Brady and we can move on.

Or you can continue with your charades of nonsense or whatever schtick you have going on.

Up to you

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Just stop man. Even using 20/21 goal/game averages your predictions are way off. 20/21 compared to now, there would be 260 more goals across the league. Even using your metric 3 points per goal thats only 780 more points on the table for all the players. Might justify 2 points difference for higher end players. At most.

scoring is going up/has gone up. More players are putting up 70-80-90-100 point seasons now because it is easier to do so.

In 2017 there was one player who got 100 points, last year there were 8.

I was wrong to say it's just last two years, it's been an incremental up trend for the last 5-6 years.

One big uptrend after 2017 and another big one last two season.

 

[PlayItAgain]

scoring is going up/has gone up. More players are putting up 70-80-90-100 point seasons now because it is easier to do so.

In 2017 there was one player who got 100 points, last year there were 8.

I was wrong to say it's just last two years, it's been an incremental up trend for the last 5-6 years.

One big uptrend after 2017 and another big one last two season.

You stated Brady is a 60+ point player who might hit 70+ one day. In reality, looks like Brady is going to be 80+ player especially as the talent around him matures and he plays through his prime years. The rest is you simply grasping at all straws to justify it. There’s zero reason to continue this conversation. I’m not going to convince you your take is bad and you’re certainly not going to convince me your take wasn’t absolutely wrong.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You stated Brady is a 60+ point player who might hit 70+ one day. In reality, looks like Brady is going to be 80+ player especially as the talent around him matures and he plays through his prime years. The rest is you simply grasping at all straws to justify it. There’s zero reason to continue this conversation. I’m not going to convince you your take is bad and you’re certainly not going to convince me your take wasn’t absolutely wrong.

At that time I was only projecting Stutzle for 80-90 points as well, since to me 70 point was an elite offensive player at the time, ( based on history) so yes Brady at 60-70 sounded fair.

Now 70 points isn't an elite offensive player anymore. Now JT Miller can put up 100 point seasons.

Things change. Like us seeing the highest goals per game season in 30 years.

 

[PlayItAgain]

At that time I was only projecting Stutzle for 80-90 points as well, since to me 70 point was an elite offensive player at the time, ( based on history) so yes Brady at 60-70 sounded fair.

Now 70 points isn't an elite offensive player anymore. Now JT Miller can put up 100 point seasons.

Things change. Like us seeing the highest goals per game season in 30 years.

It’s been 1 season since you made those statements. 1. Have a good night

 

[coladin]

3.18 is the highest goals/game since 93/94.



In the post you quoted I said he could hit 70 which probably translates to 80 now. And even if you don't buy that argument I was off by 10 points, big woop.

That's what you're trying to "gotcha" me about?

Inflation is everywhere

 

[JD1]

Could one of you guys take @Agent Zub 's shovel and get him a back hoe. He needs to dig faster

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Any saying Brady out tonight?

 

[Micklebot]

Any saying Brady out tonight?

Weird hit to highlight Schenn's physical play given it was a knee on knee hit.

 

[Golden_Jet]

At that time I was only projecting Stutzle for 80-90 points as well, since to me 70 point was an elite offensive player at the time, ( based on history) so yes Brady at 60-70 sounded fair.

Now 70 points isn't an elite offensive player anymore. Now JT Miller can put up 100 point seasons.

Things change. Like us seeing the highest goals per game season in 30 years.

How deep is that hole you’re digging, Oak Island treasure deep.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

At this point it seems you are in so deep you can’t go back and that’s what it feels like to the rest of us.

You can keep on digging yourself a hole or as I have previously offered to you an opportunity to come clean which you previously refused

Admit you were wrong about Brady and we can move on.

Or you can continue with your charades of nonsense or whatever schtick you have going on.

Up to you

Could one of you guys take @Agent Zub 's shovel and get him a back hoe. He needs to dig faster

How deep is that hole you’re digging, Oak Island treasure deep.

this is what i mean. I backed up my opinion with reasoning, some stats, and an argument.

and instead of debating my reasoning this is what you guys come up with.

and you guys think me the troll lol

 

[JD1]

this is what i mean. I backed up my opinion with reasoning, some stats, and an argument.

and instead of debating my reasoning this is what you guys come up with.

and you guys think me the troll lol

Here's my reasoning

You've been shitting on Tkachuk for two years.

As things stand, he's top 25 in points, might hit 40 goals, hits like a freight train, and can fight with anyone. He's probably the league's premier power forward.

 

[Dionysus]

Here's my reasoning

You've been shitting on Tkachuk for two years.

As things stand, he's top 25 in points, might hit 40 goals, hits like a freight train, and can fight with anyone. He's probably the league's premier power forward.

He is the premier power forward in the league in my opinion. Don't really think anyone else is close. Not much competition compared to previous eras though.

 

[aragorn]

this is what i mean. I backed up my opinion with reasoning, some stats, and an argument.

and instead of debating my reasoning this is what you guys come up with.

and you guys think me the troll lol

Almost every game they throw up some statistic where Tkachuk is doing as well or better than most of the best players in this team's history at the same age, why is that not enough reasoning for you? Almost every broadcast they talk about how good a player he is, how good a leader he is for such a young player & how much better he will be as he matures. Yet, you have declined to accept any of it as reason because you & your buddy Answer hate that kind of player. Clearly Tkachuk is not the kind of player you like, Karlsson is, the soft skilled player who thanked Neil for protecting him while they played together.

It's a message board & you can say what you want but don't expect that you won't get push back from those who realize the importance of players like Tkachuk on this team especially when he defends the players you like. Both Tkachuk & Stutzle are very close in stats, they play a completely different style from each other & both are very effective players in how they approach the game & two of the best rising stars. But I'm quite sure that Stutzle appreciates that Tkachuk is watching his back out there otherwise he wouldn't be able to play the way he does without someone taking his head off. I also think Tkachuk appreciates what Stutzle does & how his play helps him be a better player too. I think there is enough room that we can appreciate both kinds of players.

 

[JD1]

Almost every game they throw up some statistic where Tkachuk is doing as well or better than most of the best players in this team's history at the same age, why is that not enough reasoning for you? Almost every broadcast they talk about how good a player he is, how good a leader he is for such a young player & how much better he will be as he matures. Yet, you have declined to accept any of it as reason because you & your buddy Answer hate that kind of player. Clearly Tkachuk is not the kind of player you like, Karlsson is, the soft skilled player who thanked Neil for protecting him while they played together.

It's a message board & you can say what you want but don't expect that you won't get push back from those who realize the importance of players like Tkachuk on this team especially when he defends the players you like. Both Tkachuk & Stutzle are very close in stats, they play a completely different style from each other & both are very effective players in how they approach the game & two of the best rising stars. But I'm quite sure that Stutzle appreciates that Tkachuk is watching his back out there otherwise he wouldn't be able to play the way he does without someone taking his head off. I also think Tkachuk appreciates what Stutzle does & how his play helps him be a better player too. I think there is enough room that we can appreciate both kinds of players.

100%

 

[DueDiligence]

But I'm quite sure that Stutzle appreciates that Tkachuk is watching his back out there otherwise he wouldn't be able to play the way he does without someone taking his head off.

I'm amazed that any Sens fan would not see this. I bet Timmy loves playing with BT because Brady keeps the other team honest.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'm amazed that any Sens fan would not see this. I bet Timmy loves playing with BT because Brady keeps the other team honest.

And this is the key. It doesn’t mean guys won’t hit Stu, it just means they generally won’t pull shit in the scrums after the whistle, try and bully him, or cheap shot.

The rest is just hockey, and Timmy is competitive and likes to hit as well.

 

[Sens in Process]

Brady is a force.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Almost every game they throw up some statistic where Tkachuk is doing as well or better than most of the best players in this team's history at the same age, why is that not enough reasoning for you? Almost every broadcast they talk about how good a player he is, how good a leader he is for such a young player & how much better he will be as he matures. Yet, you have declined to accept any of it as reason because you & your buddy Answer hate that kind of player. Clearly Tkachuk is not the kind of player you like, Karlsson is, the soft skilled player who thanked Neil for protecting him while they played together.

It's a message board & you can say what you want but don't expect that you won't get push back from those who realize the importance of players like Tkachuk on this team especially when he defends the players you like. Both Tkachuk & Stutzle are very close in stats, they play a completely different style from each other & both are very effective players in how they approach the game & two of the best rising stars. But I'm quite sure that Stutzle appreciates that Tkachuk is watching his back out there otherwise he wouldn't be able to play the way he does without someone taking his head off. I also think Tkachuk appreciates what Stutzle does & how his play helps him be a better player too. I think there is enough room that we can appreciate both kinds of players.

This weird notion that i don't see Brady successes or appreciate his play style is crazy. You don't have to go that far back in this very thread to see me comparing him to Getzlaf, or complimenting his physical play, or when he was playing good defensively for me to say so. And obviously the production is there.

Look at at it this way, you have been harping on Stutzle's turnovers for the last 10 games or so. Is anyone accusing you of being a hater for it? am I? f*** no because his turnovers are costing us games, he needs to be better.

But why is Brady immune to the same criticism from you? why if someone says Brady needs to improve on his turnovers, or his defensive effort, or defensive play that person is simply being a hater? even though its obvious he needs to improve on these things, just like Stutzle needs to improve his turnovers.

but point it out for Brady and everyone loses their mind. its bat shit crazy.

 

[bert]

Here's my reasoning

You've been shitting on Tkachuk for two years.

As things stand, he's top 25 in points, might hit 40 goals, hits like a freight train, and can fight with anyone. He's probably the league's premier power forward.

There isnt a single player like him in the league right now. Not only that but he makes room for the teams super star and everyone has to think twice about taking liberties with him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Big Walt rockin' the 7 shorties. Still think it would be highly entertaining to see Brady PK.

 

[aragorn]

This weird notion that i don't see Brady successes or appreciate his play style is crazy. You don't have to go that far back in this very thread to see me comparing him to Getzlaf, or complimenting his physical play, or when he was playing good defensively for me to say so. And obviously the production is there.

Look at at it this way, you have been harping on Stutzle's turnovers for the last 10 games or so. Is anyone accusing you of being a hater for it? am I? f*** no because his turnovers are costing us games, he needs to be better.

But why is Brady immune to the same criticism from you? why if someone says Brady needs to improve on his turnovers, or his defensive effort, or defensive play that person is simply being a hater? even though its obvious he needs to improve on these things, just like Stutzle needs to improve his turnovers.

but point it out for Brady and everyone loses their mind. its bat shit crazy.

Aren't you the one who posted the thread Worst Leadership in Sens History? Did you make a similar thread when Karlsson was the captain & they were losing all kinds of games & lost the room when EK & Hoffman got into their dispute which basically started the selloff of players & rebuild? Is that thread not way over the top especially when the experts are saying the exact opposite that this team has some great leadership with Giroux & Tkachuk?

I'm sure it happened that Brady was involved in some games where they lost the game, but I don't remember a time where it was near the end of the game & cost us the game like Stutzle's turnovers did in a few games. But I have also called Stutzle a superstar in the making many times. It's your constant negative narative that is bat shit crazy when the team has been playing well enough to be within 4 pts of a playoff spot in March & 3 games (6 pts) from being tied for a playoff spot in April.

 

[NyQuil]

I’m a huge fan of Tkachuk but I do think hes a bit of an advanced stats darling because he spends a lot of his career near the net and that registers as a high quality scoring chance even if he’s doing his little spinorama shot at the side of the net that never goes in.

I think he’s overrated in a lot of those expected goal stats while other aspects of his game are underrated, including his playmaking and stickhandling.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’m a huge fan of Tkachuk but I do think hes a bit of an advanced stats darling because he spends a lot of his career near the net and that registers as a high quality scoring chance even if he’s doing his little spinorama shot at the side of the net that never goes in.

I think he’s overrated in a lot of those expected goal stats while other aspects of his game are underrated, including his playmaking and stickhandling.

Those of us who don’t follow those stats don’t care about those stats thankfully

Cant argue with clutch though. Game tying and game winning goals!