Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Ice-Tray]

What I’ve learned from HF is that if you think something positive will happen to the Sens you hold unrealistic expectations and if you think something negative will happen to the Sens you are living in fear and misery.

Haha, I mean we do freak about every player that has yet to sign…

PTSD….

Hopefully those days are long gone and we can just deal with the regular small market issues lol

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The reason is the presence of a terrified segment of the fanbase that has next to no self confidence as a fan (justifiable).

I see a board full of people hanging off every word, clicking all the links and tuning in for all the blog spots. It’s a no brainer for hockey bloggers and insiders.

Misery and fear sells in this market like hotcakes. We don’t have any college stars to be terrified over not signing this summer, and Pinto already said he really wants to stay so we can’t really be terrified about losing him.

That leaves our most notorious player asset. Might as well play on the family Tkachuk angle again, eventhough Matthew did make it pretty clear that Brady is more like mom and less like him and dad in these types of situations.

No, we’ll run in circles all off season clicking like mad, then Brady and the will show up for camp with excitement as usual.

More like fans in much bigger markets would desperately love to feast on the Sens best players. Brady is someone who could single-handedly get the leafs into the third round of the playoffs (assuming they don't gut the roster for him). You have a few million crazy fans in Toronto and more in st Louis and a few other areas that desperately want to see our new GM "pull a Dorian" and trade away our best assets for pennies on the dollar.

 

[JungleBeat]

What's with all the rumors surrounding our captain? If I had to guess they are all fake news. Surely Matt Tlachuk reaching the finals 2x can't help.

More like fans in much bigger markets would desperately love to feast on the Sens best players. Brady is someone who could single-handedly get the leafs into the third round of the playoffs (assuming they don't gut the roster for him). You have a few million crazy fans in Toronto and more in st Louis and a few other areas that desperately want to see our new GM "pull a Dorian" and trade away our best assets for pennies on the dollar.

Single handedly get the Leafs to the third round but he can't even get this team to contend for the playoffs...

 

[jhutter]

More like fans in much bigger markets would desperately love to feast on the Sens best players. Brady is someone who could single-handedly get the leafs into the third round of the playoffs (assuming they don't gut the roster for him). You have a few million crazy fans in Toronto and more in st Louis and a few other areas that desperately want to see our new GM "pull a Dorian" and trade away our best assets for pennies on the dollar.

I'm a Brady Tkachuk fan, but I have a difficult time understanding how he could "single-handedly" put the Leafs into the third round of the playoffs. He's never led the Senators to the playoffs, or any real meaningful games for that matter. He just captained the U.S. to a disappointing quarter final loss.

Why do we make this assumption?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Brady is by far the most overrated Senator we've ever had. Some of you talk about him like he won us 2 cups instead of.....

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'm a Brady Tkachuk fan, but I have a difficult time understanding how he could "single-handedly" put the Leafs into the third round of the playoffs. He's never led the Senators to the playoffs, or any real meaningful games for that matter. He just captained the U.S. to a disappointing quarter final loss.

Why do we make this assumption?

With the roster Toronto has (take out one of the core four), Brady could do a ton. It's a roster where he wouldn't be leaned on to be the biggest point producer, but would be there to light a fire under everyone else and bring grit to the playoffs. Exactly what Toronto is missing.

 

[Micklebot]

With the roster Toronto has (take out one of the core four), Brady could do a ton. It's a roster where he wouldn't be leaned on to be the biggest point producer, but would be there to light a fire under everyone else and bring grit to the playoffs. Exactly what Toronto is missing.

Ok, that's not single handedly though, that's "he could be the piece that puts them over the top".

Karlsson dragging the sens to the ECF is about as close to single handedly as I've seen outside of crazy goalie performances like Giguere dragged the ducks to the SCF, but even Karlsson had some significant support via some outstanding performances by Anderson, Pageau and Ryan

 

[Ice-Tray]

No one drags a team anywhere single handedly unless you are the goalie and that can swing both ways.

 

[jhutter]

With the roster Toronto has (take out one of the core four), Brady could do a ton. It's a roster where he wouldn't be leaned on to be the biggest point producer, but would be there to light a fire under everyone else and bring grit to the playoffs. Exactly what Toronto is missing.

I don’t think anyone would disagree with that, but that’s a far cry from single-handedly carrying a team to the conference finals.

 

[TonySoprano11]

Brady is by far the most overrated Senator we've ever had. Some of you talk about him like he won us 2 cups instead of.....

I like Brady for the most part, but I totally agree. I think hes the closest player we've ever had to a Gary Roberts style of player and considering that is what this franchise has coveted for so long, he has been showered with accolades he hasn't earned yet.

Again, I like Brady but I would be totally open to trading him for a good hockey trade.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I don't think there is a realistic hockey trade with Brady that makes us better.

Any Brady trade would be more about making the best of a bad scenario. Like Calgary thought they were doing when they got Huberdeau and Weegar.

I don't think it matters because I think we are a lot farther out than most people think. Especially if we lose both Brady and Giroux over the next year. We are pretty much heading for a heavy retool or a soft rebuild. Almost like 2010.

 

[Bileur]

Brady is by far the most overrated Senator we've ever had. Some of you talk about him like he won us 2 cups instead of.....

He has a season with more points than any senator other than Heatley, Alfie, Yashin, Stutzle and Spezza. He does this while being a unicorn and unique power forward, particularly in his era.

Maybe you underrate him.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

He has a season with more points than any senator other than Heatley, Alfie, Yashin, Stutzle and Spezza. He does this while being a unicorn and unique power forward, particularly in his era.

Maybe you underrate him.

people are winning the art ross with 150 points now

 

[aragorn]

Kucherov led ther league in scoring with 144 pts, only 9 players in the entire league had over 100 pts, another 8 players were in the 90s & another 12 players were in the 80s & 23 players were in the 70s. So about 62 players in the entire league had 70 pts or more in a league with approximately 700 players, 39 of therm had 80 pts or more. It seems it is quite difficult to put up 70 pts or more in the NHL, over 600 plus players couldn't do it. How many Sens players have the potential to put up 70 plus pts? Tkachuk, Stutzle, Batherson, Giroux (although aging) & maybe a healthy Norris or Pinto? I'm not sure either Chabot or Sanderson will be able to put up that many pts. It just proves how difficult it is to put up a 70 pt season in the NHL.

 

[Bileur]

people are winning the art ross with 150 points now

So what, either you’re McDavid/Kucherov/Mackinnon or you’re overrated?

Nobody is saying Brady is on that level. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a cornerstone to this team or wouldn’t be a tremendous addition to another team.

There’s a reason every other team is salivating at the prospect of adding him. It’s odd that some sens fans don’t get it. You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone applies IMO.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm a Brady Tkachuk fan, but I have a difficult time understanding how he could "single-handedly" put the Leafs into the third round of the playoffs. He's never led the Senators to the playoffs, or any real meaningful games for that matter. He just captained the U.S. to a disappointing quarter final loss.

Why do we make this assumption?

Because Leaves fans live in wet dream land and not in Reality

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I don’t think anyone would disagree with that, but that’s a far cry from single-handedly carrying a team to the conference finals.

Semantics. Figure of speech.

Good grief, fellas.

 

[HSF]

Senators have a good opportunity to build around Brady and build a chippy team like Fla did

make it happen Staois

 

[Bileur]

Senators have a good opportunity to build around Brady and build a chippy team like Fla did

make it happen Staois

Exactly. No more DeBrincats and Kubaliks. Get hard nosed players in here instead.

 

[DueDiligence]

What's with all the rumors surrounding our captain? If I had to guess they are all fake news. Surely Matt Tlachuk reaching the finals 2x can't help.


Single handedly get the Leafs to the third round but he can't even get this team to contend for the playoffs...

I guess your version of hockey is a 1 man game.
Funny that fans , media and ex NHLers in Toronto, Boston and New York think that Brady is the guy they need to get them over the top.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I think fans of this team rate Brady accordingly for the most part. It's not all about points. He's the captain. He's a power forward, a face of the franchise type player, wears his heart on his sleeve. Unicorn as some have said.

I think fans just feel he is more valuable to the team AND community of Ottawa collectively.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

So what, either you’re McDavid/Kucherov/Mackinnon or you’re overrated?

Nobody is saying Brady is on that level. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a cornerstone to this team or wouldn’t be a tremendous addition to another team.

There’s a reason every other team is salivating at the prospect of adding him. It’s odd that some sens fans don’t get it. You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone applies IMO.

no my point is you're cherry picking that stat. same as when people say stutzle is the youngest 90 point center along with Gretz, Crosby, McDavid bla bla. cherry picked as well.

Brady is a good player, pretty rare package. but if he is our best or heck even 2nd best forward. we're screwed. we're not going to win a cup.


for a team that is already good and brady is not relied on being the leader or one of the best players night in and out it is better fit than being labeled a franchise leader or the player you build your team around. because that has been a massive failure.

 

[Bileur]

no my point is you're cherry picking that stat. same as when people say stutzle is the youngest 90 point center along with Gretz, Crosby, McDavid bla bla. cherry picked as well.

Brady is a good player, pretty rare package. but if he is our best or heck even 3rd best player. we're screwed.

Please explain how Stutzle’s factual production relative to his competition at the same age is cherry picked. Stutzle’s production was extremely impressive at his age.

Please explain how Tkachuk’s raw production compared to all other players in sens history is cherry picked. Tkachuk’s production is very impressive in sens history and is solid across the league. Like I said. He doesn’t need to be Mackinnon to be good.

This isn’t some primary assists per 60 on a Tuesday stat. It’s raw production.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Please explain how Stutzle’s factual production relative to his competition at the same age is cherry picked.

Please explain how Tkachuk’s raw production compared to all other players in sens history is cherry picked.

This isn’t some primary assists per 60 on a Tuesday stat. It’s raw production.

they are all different scoring environments. even different circumstances.

the year Brady hit 83 ( and Stutzle 90) he did it by basically being the biggest cherry picker and one of the worst defensive effort players in the league.

how does that compare to Marian Hossa putting up 75, 80, and 82 points with us in the dead puck era?

 

[Bileur]

they are all different scoring environments. even different circumstances.

the year Brady hit 83 ( and Stutzle 90) he did it by basically being the biggest cherry picker and one of the worst defensive effort players in the league.

how does that compare to Marian Hossa putting up 75, 80, and 82 points with us in the dead puck era?

By that definition any historical comparison without an attached thesis comparing context is cherry picking. I don’t think you’re using the term correctly.

Besides, I never argued Tkachuk was better than Hossa. It’s not necessary to the discussion. Using Tkachuk’s stats is just an illustration that he is a very high calibre player.