Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Excuses from an inept ownership/management group.

I thought they did an okay job, but the problem is they were managing an NHL team, not a Quiznos.

I think Melnyk would have done a great job with a Quiznos to be honest. You pretty much have to be inebriated to work at one of those after a certain time of day.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I thought they did an okay job, but the problem is they were managing an NHL team, not a Quiznos.

I think Melnyk would have done a great job with a Quiznos to be honest. You pretty much have to be inebriated to work at one of those after a certain time of day.

Oh boy.

Something tells me the cold cuts would have been sold well past expiry.

Not just past expiry, but completely f***in rotten. And then all the customer complaints get burned in a ceremonial public tongue lashing where he says it's all their fault and threatens to move his Quizno's to another city!

 

[Larionov]

In french media lots of noise that Andleaur was not happy with Brady partying often

That's about to come to a halt with him about to become a father in September. Having a family changes everything. Management generally likes it when their players have family obligations - tends to keep them at home and not out yukking it up with the boys...

 

[armani]

Oh boy.

Something tells me the cold cuts would have been sold well past expiry.

Not just past expiry, but completely f***in rotten. And then all the customer complaints get burned in a ceremonial public tongue lashing where he says it's all their fault and threatens to move his Quizno's to another city!

Explains why the team shat the bed so many times since their trip to ECF.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Well I sure as f*** hope that there would be some locker room shit if they have been losing this much. It would be a huge concern if there wasn’t a rift in the locker room.

Additionally these reports seem to be contradicting other reports about how close this team is, and how it’s basically a country club.

So which is it?

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Kypreos is just doing his job and getting the clicks, but he's right when be says Ottawa needs a couple of veteran players to bridge the gap between the early 20 year olds and Claude Giroux.

My targets would be Martinook and Pesce or Roy with Chychrun on the out to make room.

 

[slamigo]

I mean in that very same clip they say Ottawa wouldn’t trade Brady, so I’m not sure why it’s irresponsible.

Staios in his end of season presser said that experiencing conflict is good and you need it so you can learn how to repair. So if our GM is acknowledging the conflict in the room, why aren’t we?

If the media was saying Brady is a terrible captain and him and Giroux can’t be on the same team next year I think that’s irresponsible. Saying they might not be best friends and Ottawa wants more out of Brady isn’t exactly slanderous.

The irresponsible part is that they are reporting on invented nonsense. One media person (using that term loosely) posts something absurd and without a shred of proof. Then the others circle it like seagulls going after a wrapper in a parking lot, demanding a response from the GM. This whole story is based on asking the GM and other to comment on a lie that someone made up. It's like an appetite that grows by being fed. They are creating a news story rather than reporting on a news story.

Staios was talking about conflict from losing. Battling through the adversity of a tough season etc.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Staios was talking about conflict from losing. Battling through the adversity of a tough season etc.

Exactly re: the bolded.
and the media acting like lemmings on speculation at best.

 

[jhutter]

I don’t know that it’s utter nonsense. Staios himself alluded to friction in the room. I think they can both have conflict and not hate each other, it’s not as though it’s some deep character flaw by either if they butt heads.

Just like Brady can be a good captain and leader but have room for growth that frustrates the people in charge.

There is enough noise about this that it’s at least worth consideration. I’d be surprised if everything was great after 7 years of losing and new management with different personalities taking over.

**I’m not saying it’s true. Just worth considering. I also don’t think it’s a big deal, if we start winning we all know this noise will go away.


I mean I suppose. I don’t think they were talking about the fanbase given that right after that they immediately jumped to Giroux and Brady.

I couldn't agree more. I don't know why everyone is so rabid to turn down rumours about Tkachuk's leadership. Why can't it be possible that he leaves a little to be desired in that regard?

 

[jhutter]

This Brady bedwetting seems a little much. If Melnyk and Dorion were still running things then i could see the issue. Like Stone seeing dark times ahead, i dont hold it against him too much for wanting out.

But Brady is not going to want out. This is his team. They know they can get there and they arent even really entering their window yet. We have a professional, competent management focused on the goal. It would be ridiculous for him to want out now because it's hard. It would look really bad on him. And we could just bench for him 2 years like Yashin until we got the deal we wanted since he would be forcing the rebuild anyway. Makes no sense at all.

Come on. It's entirely possible, and almost likely that he doesn't make the playoffs until his 8th season. That could be half of his career. I would honestly question where his head is at if he didn't want out if the Sens don't make the playoffs this coming season.

Imagine you graduate school and get your first job, and your employer sucks. Dysfunctional, not fulfilling, etc. Your brother works in the same field, and he left the employer that hired him out of school and he's having significant success. Wouldn't you start to wonder?

It's also important to consider his old man in all of this. If you think Keith is telling him to ride it out with the Sens without an exit strategy in sight, you're only kidding yourself.

Winning takes care of all of these issues. I feel bad for Staios being under the gun to fix all of the issues he inherited from one of the most incompetent General Managers in recent memory.

 

[Bileur]

Physicality is not this teams issue. Playing a two-way game and not floating and being lazy is the issue.

I think all of the above are an issue.

This is a classic case of the media trying to create content. They start a bizarre rumour and then ask the parties involved to comment on their own fantasies. Then they say 'Oh there must be something to it because the GM is denying it. We'll keep digging.'
It's irresponsible journalism. Total garbage.

That’s exactly it.

Whitney makes up a rumour for clicks. Random shock jock asks Rutherford about said rumour, he puts his foot in his mouth (and later has to walk it back).

Other outlets now have « two sources » to discuss and have Staios clarify.

Now « there’s a lot of smoke » for Kypreos.

I am curious about the Giroux/Tkachuk angle though.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Come on. It's entirely possible, and almost likely that he doesn't make the playoffs until his 8th season. That could be half of his career. I would honestly question where his head is at if he didn't want out if the Sens don't make the playoffs this coming season.

Imagine you graduate school and get your first job, and your employer sucks. Dysfunctional, not fulfilling, etc. Your brother works in the same field, and he left the employer that hired him out of school and he's having significant success. Wouldn't you start to wonder?

It's also important to consider his old man in all of this. If you think Keith is telling him to ride it out with the Sens without an exit strategy in sight, you're only kidding yourself.

Winning takes care of all of these issues. I feel bad for Staios being under the gun to fix all of the issues he inherited from one of the most incompetent General Managers in recent memory.

If it ever happens, I really don't think it's going to have to do with anything but extended losing. It's not personal and it wouldn't be like it was with Alfie/EK where it was all about money, or lack there of.

He obviously wants to be here and wants to win. He likely has more confidence now with SS/Andlauer taking over and will give it some rope. If they do win and compete for playoffs, it'll likely be fine. It's the scenario that they come out flat yet again and end up well out of the playoffs, with a 100 question marks again. How many more of those is someone willing to play through before they look to capitalize on their prime elsewhere. I wouldn't have any hard feelings if after another losing season or two he said he wanted to move on.

 

[jhutter]

If it ever happens, I really don't think it's going to have to do with anything but extended losing. It's not personal and it wouldn't be like it was with Alfie/EK where it was all about money, or lack there of.

He obviously wants to be here and wants to win. He likely has more confidence now with SS/Andlauer taking over and will give it some rope. If they do win and compete for playoffs, it'll likely be fine. It's the scenario that they come out flat yet again and end up well out of the playoffs, with a 100 question marks again. How many more of those is someone willing to play through before they look to capitalize on their prime elsewhere. I wouldn't have any hard feelings if after another losing season or two he said he wanted to move on.

This is the correct answer. I think people get their backs up and assume it would be something personal against the city. He's shown his affection for the city; that isn't an issue. The issue is potentially spending half of a career anywhere from 5-15 spots out of the last playoff spot.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

One of the many justifications for the sell off starting in 2018 was that the room was broken. Very ironic.

What I think most of these kids need is the NHL to bring in a regulation system so that some of these stars who were fast tracked to the NHL can experience reality. The moment they are staying in shared accommodations and are forced to eat homemade egg salad sandwiches in the back of a Greyhound because they do not get an NHL pier diem, they will stop caring about running shoes and start taking our great game of hockey seriously.

They need to bring Scott Sabourin back to set them straight.



Dammit, sorry guys. This wasn't supposed to happen until January.

We have to keep Garrioch off TSN at all costs if we want to keep Brady.

I remember that being the narrative AFTER we failed to re-sign our stars and offered them extensions.

Very convenient.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Well...

 

[Ouroboros]

Everybody gets along great on our perfect and dominant hockey club.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think Brady is a great leader if we don't trade him but if we trade him he was immature and needed a change of scenery, and while the return seemed light, the 2028 draft is looking very good so it's possible that Staios could get a difference maker with the pick Vegas sent Ottawa alongside the two very important roster players he acquired in Zack Whitecloud and Nicholas Roy. I get people raise an eyebrow at Staios sending back a 2nd to Vegas, but really, you have to give to get in this league.

edit: does anybody know how to turn the Garrioch AI off on Mac OS? Mine is stuck.

 

[jhutter]

I think Brady is a great leader if we don't trade him but if we trade him he was immature and needed a change of scenery, and while the return seemed light, the 2028 draft is looking very good so it's possible that Staios could get a difference maker with the pick Vegas sent Ottawa alongside the two very important roster players he acquired in Zack Whitecloud and Nicholas Roy. I get people raise an eyebrow at Staios sending back a 2nd to Vegas, but really, you have to give to get in this league.

edit: does anybody know how to turn the Garrioch AI off on Mac OS? Mine is stuck.

Terrific work, but "draft" should be replaced with "annual crapshoot".

 

[bicboi64]

Well...

Calling it right now, Chychrun is tryna get everyone to eat a weird meat and no one else is having it.

 

[PlayOn]

Well I sure as f*** hope that there would be some locker room shit if they have been losing this much. It would be a huge concern if there wasn’t a rift in the locker room.

Additionally these reports seem to be contradicting other reports about how close this team is, and how it’s basically a country club.

So which is it?

They kind of moved away from that this year. The team spoke about it constantly in 2022-2023 but this season I think tensions were high throughout for obvious reasons.

The irresponsible part is that they are reporting on invented nonsense. One media person (using that term loosely) posts something absurd and without a shred of proof. Then the others circle it like seagulls going after a wrapper in a parking lot, demanding a response from the GM. This whole story is based on asking the GM and other to comment on a lie that someone made up. It's like an appetite that grows by being fed. They are creating a news story rather than reporting on a news story.

Staios was talking about conflict from losing. Battling through the adversity of a tough season etc.

Whitney said Ottawa might be looking to trade Brady, but Martian talked about friction in the room long before that and Friedman alluded to it too. And yes, he was talking about conflict from losing — but no one ever said that it’s not where Brady and Giroux’s conflict stems from either. I really doubt Tkachuk and Giroux would be having issues if we won the President’s Trophy this year.

Anyway, media narratives aren’t split between true or completely fabricated. Teams and agents use the media as a PR tool. It’s impossible to know what’s true or not, I just don’t think everything floated can be attributed to the media making things up.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

There is never this much smoke for no reason.

This stuff always happens this way. It comes out first from the secondary guys who have less to worry about with presenting bad info, because they are more "entertainment" based and don't have as many stakeholders who they have to satisfy. Less rules to play by so to speak.

During this, the Friedman's speak in tongue and hint at stuff.

Then when things are more cemented, the Friedman's get the go-ahead to speak out, and the Garrioch's execute their order-66's on the reputation of the player.

The Karlsson stuff followed the exact same pattern.

I think he 90 percent not gone this summer, but if you asked me last week I would have said 99 not gone this summer.

Conversely, I think he is 99 percent gone next summer if we miss the playoffs again. He'd have to get a Lenny The Lynx tattoo on his arm to make me think the team would be comfortable with him staying past his NMC.

 

[Ice-Tray]

There is never this much smoke for no reason.

This stuff always happens this way. It comes out first from the secondary guys who have less to worry about with presenting bad info, because they are more "entertainment" based and don't have as many stakeholders who they have to satisfy. Less rules to play by so to speak.

During this, the Friedman's speak in tongue and hint at stuff.

Then when things are more cemented, the Friedman's get the go-ahead to speak out, and the Garrioch's execute their order-66's on the reputation of the player.

The Karlsson stuff followed the exact same pattern.

I think he 90 percent not gone this summer, but if you asked me last week I would have said 99 not gone this summer.

Conversely, I think he is 99 percent gone next summer if we miss the playoffs again. He'd have to get a Lenny The Lynx tattoo on his arm to make me think the team would be comfortable with him staying past his NMC.

The reason is the presence of a terrified segment of the fanbase that has next to no self confidence as a fan (justifiable).

I see a board full of people hanging off every word, clicking all the links and tuning in for all the blog spots. It’s a no brainer for hockey bloggers and insiders.

Misery and fear sells in this market like hotcakes. We don’t have any college stars to be terrified over not signing this summer, and Pinto already said he really wants to stay so we can’t really be terrified about losing him.

That leaves our most notorious player asset. Might as well play on the family Tkachuk angle again, eventhough Matthew did make it pretty clear that Brady is more like mom and less like him and dad in these types of situations.

No, we’ll run in circles all off season clicking like mad, then Brady and the will show up for camp with excitement as usual.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The reason is the presence of a terrified segment of the fanbase that has next to no self confidence as a fan (justifiable).

I see a board full of people hanging off every word, clicking all the links and tuning in for all the blog spots. It’s a no brainer for hockey bloggers and insiders.

Misery and fear sells in this market like hotcakes. We don’t have any college stars to be terrified over not signing this summer, and Pinto already said he really wants to stay so we can’t really be terrified about losing him.

That leaves our most notorious player asset. Might as well play on the family Tkachuk angle again, eventhough Matthew did make it pretty clear that Brady is more like mom and less like him and dad in these types of situations.

No, we’ll run in circles all off season clicking like mad, then Brady and the will show up for camp with excitement as usual.

 

[PlayOn]

What I’ve learned from HF is that if you think something positive will happen to the Sens you hold unrealistic expectations and if you think something negative will happen to the Sens you are living in fear and misery.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What I’ve learned from HF is that if you think something positive will happen to the Sens you hold unrealistic expectations and if you think something negative will happen to the Sens you are living in fear and misery.

It's why I play both sides.