Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Tuna99]

You don’t strip the C from a guy because he is a young man doing young man things.

They gave him the C because he was the clear leader on the team with a ton of solid leadership qualities, and then they brought in G and Alfie as mentors to teach him how to grow into the roll.

The reality is that young leaders don’t start out mature, they don’t start out making all the savvy media sound bites, and they don’t start out knowing how to manage the role. They start with natural skills and fine tune them over time.

Crosby started out looking A LOT like Stu does, acted a lot like Stu does, but he had some excellent mentors along the way. Like Crosby, Brady is unquestionably the heart and soul of this team like it or not.

As Staios told everyone, we are building this team around Brady, this is not a player likely to be traded any time soon. Best hunker down.

It’s just that I thought Brady would be more of a leader and his team would be more mature at this point. 6 seasons, 400+ games and a literal lifetime in hockey - it’s not that he doesn’t have to learn it’s just his team has no jam and obviously massive leadership problems.

Brady needs help and he should get it - TBH I expected more from him on the leadership part

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I sad when they gave Brady the C that I'd prefer someone older. You don't need to give the C to your top player or future core player.

But that said...you absolutely can NOT take the C away from him, now that he has it. That's a shitty move towards a player and completely screws up the room.

Whatever anyone thinks, Brady is the captain. What I would do, is get him another veteran voice to help him out a bit. The leadership shouldn't be all on his shoulders. That isn't fair to Brady. Our As also need to step up.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Brady Tkachuk is 24 years old. The average age of the captain of a Stanley Cup winner since 2005 is 29.


That list went from 2006 to 2019. The last 4 cup winners were Tampa Bay (2020), Tampa Bay (2021), Colorado (2022)) and Las Vegas )2024). Tampa Bay's captain, Steven Stamkos was 30 and 31 when his team won. Colorado's captain, Gabriel Landeskog was 29 when his team won. Las Vegas's captain, Mark Stone was 30 when his team won.

Brady Tkachuk is fine as captain and has plenty of time to fully mature into the role.

 

[Answer]

It’s just that I thought Brady would be more of a leader and his team would be more mature at this point. 6 seasons, 400+ games and a literal lifetime in hockey - it’s not that he doesn’t have to learn it’s just his team has no jam and obviously massive leadership problems.

Brady needs help and he should get it - TBH I expected more from him on the leadership part

That is correct

 

[coladin]

He is the right choice to be captain, and his latest interview shows it.

But he is a part of the problem, cheating on the offence side, and not doing the little things needed to win. I think he is learning that, as DJ really didn't coach him to get the cheating out of his game.

I think this whole team has grown up this season and will be better for it

 

[HSF]

the sens need to build around Brady

actually get guys who fit his play style

this team is so soft in the top 6 and on D

 

[JD1]

We must have been a pretty impressive team aside from him last year to go 35-28-5 with him in the lineup causing tire fires 23 mins a night.

Trade him and plan the parade, right?

I'm being a bit flippant, but frankly I feel like he gets way too much blame as the new whipping boy du jour. It's seems every time we move on from a whipping boy, the problems persist, making me doubt people's ability to appropriately dole out blame.

he's certainly not my new whipping boy....i've been whipping him a long time and wanted him moved last summer. some of his time missed was in November when we had an awful record. He led the D core in the minus ledger in the plus minus scale... and of course we don't have specific stats for it but we both watch a lot of Sens hockey and he definitely led the D core in the "what the f*** was he doing there?" that led to against. His screw up per / 60 is high

he's earned his blame thru having his head in his ass playing careless, shinny hockey. I certainly get that he can change a game and make plays where you go wow and that he's a player you pay to see because of that, but he's also a player whose play is directly leading to goals going in our net and he's a player that looks like he is half assing it half the time

 

[Knave]

the sens need to build around Brady

actually get guys who fit his play style

this team is so soft in the top 6 and on D

The Kings built around Kopitar, not Dustin Brown.

 

[HSF]

The Kings built around Kopitar, not Dustin Brown.

Sure, and we have Timmy.

The sens need to do a better job to surround a guy like Brady that lets him freely play his style.

Still remember the game where Matty Tkachuk was deemed a 'distraction' in Calgary and yet when he went to Fla he fit like a glove with how Bennett Cousins, Gudas play and it made them and Barkov a much better team

Norris and Bath are pretty soft players. Giroux and Tank were hard players in their prime but that as passed them by

 

[Dionysus]

the sens need to build around Brady

actually get guys who fit his play style

this team is so soft in the top 6 and on D

Bottom 6 is also pretty soft. Kasty is big, but only occasionally physical. Kelly tries, but is not physically imposing.

Grieg is the only player other than Brady on the roster who naturally has some meanness to his game. And he's like 170lbs.

 

[Tuna99]

He is the right choice to be captain, and his latest interview shows it.

But he is a part of the problem, cheating on the offence side, and not doing the little things needed to win. I think he is learning that, as DJ really didn't coach him to get the cheating out of his game.

I think this whole team has grown up this season and will be better for it

His interview was telling - stressed he had played with a ton of new players here, said the team had core values but he couldn’t define their identity, to me Brady didn’t seem thrilled with all the changes or rumours of all the changes coming - he probably wants consistency as much as anyone in the city

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Poulin on LOSP singing Brady's praises (unprompted, around 23mins) as a leader & individual.

 

[Micklebot]

Poulin on LOSP singing Brady's praises (unprompted, around 23mins) as a leader & individual.

that snake oil salesman can't be trusted...

 

[Answer]

Brady has made some spectacular defensive plays in past recent games, with back checks and turn overs, How ever, he has been quite invisible when it comes to creating offensive chances

There is a common theme with our star players, If they are exceling in one thing, they start to regress in the other

 

[bicboi64]

This is kinda random, but Tkachuk is currently 10th all time in Sens scoring, 7th in goals. I hope he makes big ass jumps next season to move up the ladder. Don't know why, always love looking up franchise scoring leaders.

 

[Tuna99]

When you think of the endorsement money BeDybis leaving on the table by not making the playoffs - literally million s a year and over a 10 year career let’s call it easily $20 million in lost endorsements from not making the playoffs (let’s say average if about $2 million a year in lost endorsements from not making the playoffs and being a national news story)

The reasons he’s in a national car commercial is because of his brother and his trip to the Stanley Cup finals. If Brady wa snaking the finals and had that kind of success next to his name he’d be huge.

Would you stay in Ottawa and suck and lose out on all these endorsement and pay 50% tax rate for this shit? I wouldn’t and not many would.

When you see the landscape like Brady and factor in they are Tkachuks and haven’t shown they like to spend extended time playing in Canada - probably going to be a controversial summer

 

[umma gumma]

When you think of the endorsement money BeDybis leaving on the table by not making the playoffs - literally million s a year and over a 10 year career let’s call it easily $20 million in lost endorsements from not making the playoffs (let’s say average if about $2 million a year in lost endorsements from not making the playoffs and being a national news story)

The reasons he’s in a national car commercial is because of his brother and his trip to the Stanley Cup finals. If Brady wa snaking the finals and had that kind of success next to his name he’d be huge.

Would you stay in Ottawa and suck and lose out on all these endorsement and pay 50% tax rate for this shit? I wouldn’t and not many would.

When you see the landscape like Brady and factor in they are Tkachuks and haven’t shown they like to spend extended time playing in Canada - probably going to be a controversial summer

So you're saying the only reason Pierre-Olivier Joseph is in the same commercial is because of the success of his brother?

 

[Tuna99]

So you're saying the only reason Pierre-Olivier Joseph is in the same commercial is because of the success of his brother?

No if you read what I wrote I’m saying if one Joseph was an All Star and going to the Cup finals playing on a top team and making max endorsement money and the other Joseph had an excellent game was an All Star but was stuck in a small Market bottom feeder and lost out on earning millions in endorsement from lost national exposure because no playoffs and no deep playoff runs then that Joseph would look to a sexier market with a chance to maximize his brand and earn millions over the next 10 years of his limited hockey career

The Tkachuk’s don’t think I’m terms of
Local schools and weather about where they play like we hope they do - these guys are into the business of hockey unlike any other family in the NHL and understand earning potential and maximizing their income

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

No if you read what I wrote I’m saying if one Joseph was an All Star and going to the Cup finals playing on a top team and making max endorsement money and the other Joseph had an excellent game was an All Star but was stuck in a small Market bottom feeder and lost out on earning millions in endorsement from lost national exposure because no playoffs and no deep playoff runs then that Joseph would look to a sexier market with a chance to maximize his brand and earn millions over the next 10 years of his limited hockey career

But what is more lucrative for a given caliber player, playing in a Canadian hockey-rabid market or a US market where players aren’t generally recognized by mainstream public? It seems there is more marketing opportunity where everyone knows and loves their NHL players.

Players good enough for national level marketing (superstars) may receive a small bump with playoffs but I’m not sure how much.

I don’t actually know, just devils advocate on some assumptions.

 

[Tuna99]

But what is more lucrative for a given caliber player, playing in a Canadian hockey-rabid market or a US market where players aren’t generally recognized by mainstream public? It seems there is more marketing opportunity where everyone knows and loves their NHL players.

Players good enough for national level marketing (superstars) may receive a small bump with playoffs but I’m not sure how much.

I don’t actually know, just devils advocate on some assumptions.

But did Matthew benefit more from blistering the Leafs last year in 5 games the playoffs in or does Brady playing down the highway from the Leafs for 6 years benefit him more?

I’d say Matthew easily.

Reputations are made in the playoffs. Few players who don’t make the playoffs have an aura to them that sells.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

But did Matthew benefit more from blistering the Leafs last year in 5 games the playoffs in or does Brady playing down the highway from the Leafs for 6 years benefit him more?

I’d say Matthew easily.

Reputations are made in the playoffs. Few players who don’t make the playoffs have an aura to them that sells.

I don’t think Mathew’s reputation is based on his playoff appearances with the Leafs. It’s based on his goal scoring which is mostly regular season.

Its my opinion though.

 

[Loach]

I don't know what's going on.

 

[Tuna99]

I don’t think Mathew’s reputation is based on his playoff appearances with the Leafs. It’s based on his goal scoring which is mostly regular season.

Its my opinion though.

You can’t achieve much without making the Playoffs. The most exposure Brady Takchuk has ever had is showing up at Matthew’s playoff games

 

[bicboi64]

No if you read what I wrote I’m saying if one Joseph was an All Star and going to the Cup finals playing on a top team and making max endorsement money and the other Joseph had an excellent game was an All Star but was stuck in a small Market bottom feeder and lost out on earning millions in endorsement from lost national exposure because no playoffs and no deep playoff runs then that Joseph would look to a sexier market with a chance to maximize his brand and earn millions over the next 10 years of his limited hockey career

The Tkachuk’s don’t think I’m terms of
Local schools and weather about where they play like we hope they do - these guys are into the business of hockey unlike any other family in the NHL and understand earning potential and maximizing their income

Keep in mind, NHL players don't make that much in endorsements relative to other pro athletes. Supermarketable stars like Ovi and McDavid made $5 million last year, but superstats like like Fox, Pastrnak, and Kaprizov don't even make $1 million in off ice earnings. The NHL’s Highest-Paid Players 2023

I'm sure the Tkachuks make some cash off the ice from their name, but not sure if your point holds too much with them as an example.

 

[Tuna99]

Keep in mind, NHL players don't make that much in endorsements relative to other pro athletes. Supermarketable stars like Ovi and McDavid made $5 million last year, but superstats like like Fox, Pastrnak, and Kaprizov don't even make $1 million in off ice earnings. The NHL’s Highest-Paid Players 2023

I'm sure the Tkachuks make some cash off the ice from their name, but not sure if your point holds too much with them as an example.

There’s a bigger point to ‘how much does Brady want to leave on the table playing for Ottawa’. ? Taxes, no playoffs, small market, missed endorsement opportunities, old arena, prime years of your career on a losing team, O-trains always breaking down.

I think Brady is leaving a ton on the table with very little reward and that will become a factor at some point.