Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk: Episode 5 - Management Strikes Back

[Ice-Tray]

complementary doesn't equal passenger. Tkachuk works extremely hard and has great drive.

Your opinion that Hughes and Dobson are not better right now is correct, no one is arguing that. You mentioned brady's potential but fail to realize that hughes and dobson are even further away from reaching theirs.

I’m not ready to peg BT as a complimentary player at all. We already see him take control of driving the play at times, and also look to make scoring plays rather than just receiving them.

Further away from reaching their potential is not necessarily a good thing. In the end they actually have to reach it. Very few had either of those guys ranked higher than BT, and at this point it looks like it’s for good reason.

I also feel like those who are in here downplaying BT have his potential set lower than it should be. I don’t think his potential is less than Dobson, and definitely not Hughes. His potential is a one-of-a-kind, first line PF.

Of course we’re all definitely welcome to our opinions. I’m just arguing mine

It’s easy for us all to like different players more, as there are so many different types of players, and fans have different values for different aspects of the game.

For me personally, BT plays and represents the exact player that I value most when it comes to enjoying hockey. Keith was one of my favourite players, and I’m over the moon that we have the chance to add that exact type of character and play to our team.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

dobson was my guy. I would have also loved hughes.

wahlstrom at 4 would have been just bad. Zadina doesn't look too great right now, but i did like him at the time tbh.

Yup. I liked Tkachuk because he is a bit of a throw back style and there are not too many players like him that become available. He is still quite raw and his development will not be as good as it could be if he had more around him, (same for White). They spend too much time chasing the game now, Dobson was right there for me too. I liked Hughes but would have taken Dobson ahead of him. Wahlstrom I liked early on but the more I watched him the less I liked him in the top 10. There were those that liked him at 4 however. Zadina looked great at the WJC but in more viewings afterward, I really didn't think he met the hype. I would have stayed away from him.

 

[benjiv1]

he doesnt think a player who might only top out as a complimentary player instead of a line driver should be picked top 4.

its a fair assessment.

This is such a bad take.

There isn’t a single GM in the league that would take Dobson or Hughes over Tkachuk.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I expect Tkachuk will top out at a Simmonds-type powerforward - a guy who will push 30G and 60P in a lot of years while bringing physical play and aggravating the opposition. That would make him a top line forward, but not a star.

You should hope for more with the highest pick the franchise has had since they took Spezza 2nd in 2001.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I expect Tkachuk will top out at a Simmonds-type powerforward - a guy who will push 30G and 60P in a lot of years while bringing physical play and aggravating the opposition. That would make him a top line forward, but not a star.

You should hope for more with the highest pick the franchise has had since they took Spezza 2nd in 2001.

Yeah no.

He’s a much better all around player than Simmonds is.

Guys who consistently score 30 goals in this day in age are stars.

His ceiling is more like Keith or Shanny in my opinion.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

With a slow start offensively he’s on pace for 22 goals, 45 points, 298 hits, 311 shots in his second season with no great centre to play with. I don’t think people appreciate how good he’s been in the nhl so far for a guy that is still very raw offensively.

I don’t expect him to be elite offensively, but if you’re pacing at 300 shots that’s elite level shooting at least which will lead to success.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

This is such a bad take.

There isn’t a single GM in the league that would take Dobson or Hughes over Tkachuk.

I don’t know about Hughes. He’s already a #1D in his rookie season. You’re right about his take being bad though. Every GM would of gladly taken Brady at #4 and still wouldn’t be thinking twice about it.

 

[TheDebater]

I expect Tkachuk will top out at a Simmonds-type powerforward - a guy who will push 30G and 60P in a lot of years while bringing physical play and aggravating the opposition. That would make him a top line forward, but not a star.

You should hope for more with the highest pick the franchise has had since they took Spezza 2nd in 2001.

That is a very weak argument to make. There is factual and statistical data that prove there is a major gap between the top 2 players in a draft, and the ones selected 3-5.

How often, does a player selected outside the top 2 and up being the best player in the draft? Very very rarely, and if it happens it is usually a player that was picked much later and was passed over by multiple teams. Go back to my post above and look at the comparable forwards drafted at #4, there is a huge gap between them and the #1-2 spots.

So just because it happens that the 4th overall is the highest we have picked in two decades does not mean we were guaranteed a franchise player, that is a very unrealistic expectation.

 

[aragorn]

I expect Tkachuk will top out at a Simmonds-type powerforward - a guy who will push 30G and 60P in a lot of years while bringing physical play and aggravating the opposition. That would make him a top line forward, but not a star.

You should hope for more with the highest pick the franchise has had since they took Spezza 2nd in 2001.

You have to make decisions & draft the players that are in that draft & looking back at it I don't see any that are better than Tkachuk that were drafted behind him. Everybody hopes for more but they usually get drafted sooner or somebody lucks out when a guy like Stone turns out to be a superstar? I like Dobson but even he went 12th, Ottawa wasn't the only team that passed on him & isn't Brannstrom or Thomson similar to Hughes?

 

[Micklebot]

You have to make decisions & draft the players that are in that draft & looking back at it I don't see any that are better than Tkachuk that were drafted behind him. Everybody hopes for more but they usually get drafted sooner or somebody lucks out when a guy like Stone turns out to be a superstar? I like Dobson but even he went 12th, Ottawa wasn't the only team that passed on him & isn't Brannstrom or Thomson similar to Hughes?

No, they really aren't similar at all.

 

[aragorn]

No, they really aren't similar at all.

All three are about 5'10, small defencemen with a high offensive skill set, good skaters, good passers that can break out of their own end by passing or skating the puck out & are a work in progress defensively. Seems similar to me.

 

[Micklebot]

All three are about 5'10, small defencemen with a high offensive skill set, good skaters, good passers that can break out of their own end by passing or skating the puck out & are a work in progress defensively. Seems similar to me.

Thomson is 6 foot, he and Brannstrom are good skaters with good offensive insticts.
Thomson has been criticized for his Hockey IQ, but has a bomb of a shot.

Hughes is an elite skater with elite offensive skills but questionable size. His defensive play is fairly stong for a kid his age and hockey IQ is very high end. He is also far more wiling to be creative offensively than the other two.

I get that none are your type of dman, but the are not at all similar.Hughes is in a completely different tier and has different skill set than the other two.

 

[aragorn]

Thomson is 6 foot, he and Brannstrom are good skaters with good offensive insticts.
Thomson has been criticized for his Hockey IQ, but has a bomb of a shot.

Hughes is an elite skater with elite offensive skills but questionable size. His defensive play is fairly stong for a kid his age and hockey IQ is very high end. He is also far more wiling to be creative offensively than the other two.

I get that none are your type of dman, but the are not at all similar.Hughes is in a completely different tier and has different skill set than the other two.

Would you compare Hughes to EK?

 

[Six Assets]

Would you compare Hughes to EK?

i like the marner on defence comparison

 

[Micklebot]

Would you compare Hughes to EK?

I certainly wouldn't compare Brannstrom or Thomson to EK.

Hughes is his own player, he has some similarities to EK, sure, but stylistically they don't play identically by any means. I don't see hughes as the risk taker EK is for example

 

[Sensfan4life]

You have to make decisions & draft the players that are in that draft & looking back at it I don't see any that are better than Tkachuk that were drafted behind him. Everybody hopes for more but they usually get drafted sooner or somebody lucks out when a guy like Stone turns out to be a superstar? I like Dobson but even he went 12th, Ottawa wasn't the only team that passed on him & isn't Brannstrom or Thomson similar to Hughes?

Still too early to tell IMO.

Brady's game translates well to immediate impact on a low talent team like the Sens. Some of the players drafted after him may well end up superior NHLers.

 

[JungleBeat]

This is such a bad take.

There isn’t a single GM in the league that would take Dobson or Hughes over Tkachuk.

Uh, I don’t know how you can call it a bad take then say nobody will take Hughes or Dobson over Tkachuk.

Quinn is Calder trophy bound and provides more offence as a dman than Brady at forward.

 

[aragorn]

Still too early to tell IMO.

Brady's game translates well to immediate impact on a low talent team like the Sens. Some of the players drafted after him may well end up superior NHLers.

By who's definition? It is just about pts, if the player gets more pts then him but doesn't do anything else well? Is a goal scorer better than a guy who can do everything well? What is the criteria to being a superior player?

 

[JungleBeat]

With a slow start offensively he’s on pace for 22 goals, 45 points, 298 hits, 311 shots in his second season with no great centre to play with. I don’t think people appreciate how good he’s been in the nhl so far for a guy that is still very raw offensively.

I don’t expect him to be elite offensively, but if you’re pacing at 300 shots that’s elite level shooting at least which will lead to success.

Brady doesn’t seem like a guy who’s raw offensively. What you see is what you get with him.

 

[BondraTime]

This is such a bad take.

There isn’t a single GM in the league that would take Dobson or Hughes over Tkachuk.

Yes there are

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

All three are about 5'10, small defencemen with a high offensive skill set, good skaters, good passers that can break out of their own end by passing or skating the puck out & are a work in progress defensively. Seems similar to me.

Hughes skating and hockey IQ are off the charts.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I expect Tkachuk will top out at a Simmonds-type powerforward - a guy who will push 30G and 60P in a lot of years while bringing physical play and aggravating the opposition. That would make him a top line forward, but not a star.

You should hope for more with the highest pick the franchise has had since they took Spezza 2nd in 2001.

He's more of a stir the pot pest than Simmonds.. but yah could he hit 35 goals and 60-70 pts in his best year .. I would not doubt it.
He is a high energy no quit battler that will be contagious and that has value as well.
He will also get to be more intimidating

 

[Ice-Tray]

I guess we’ll just have to see. Hughes and Dobson have a lot of work to do to catch up to where BT is today.

Time will tell, but I wouldn’t bet against the guy who will likely be our next captain.

 

[Sensinitis]

Brady doesn’t seem like a guy who’s raw offensively. What you see is what you get with him.

No 20 year old in the NHL isn’t raw. He will still develop offensively as he gets comfortable in the league.

 

[Sensfan4life]

I guess we’ll just have to see. Hughes and Dobson have a lot of work to do to catch up to where BT is today.

Time will tell, but I wouldn’t bet against the guy who will likely be our next captain.

Chabot should be our next captain.