Player Discussion Brady Skjei

[KingDeathMetal]

I'd safely assume both teams are over it at this point, lol

Yeah, I'm guilty as anyone for constantly throwing Trouba's name out there, but realistically, I don't think we'll acquire him so whatever. I just think it's funny that the big ask from the Jets was, "WE NEED A LHD SIMILAR IN AGE TO TROUBA, WITH A TON OF UPSIDE WHO CAN ALSO PRODUCE RIGHT NOW!"

I'm not saying Skjei is equal to Trouba at this moment, but holy crap is Skjei perfect as the start of a deal in that scenario.

At this point, I wouldn't give them Skjei and Hayes or Miller. All good with keeping Brady and signing Shattenkirk.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So much for being AHL caliber eh?

Imagine if he were russian

I don't appreciate your dishonesty.

I clearly said he was playing poorly for a big stretch of games, so I'd like to see a swap of Skjei and Graves. I didn't say Skjei was an AHL player or needed to stay there all season. Besides, I said this like a month ago. Form of players changes. I'm glad Skjei's playing better. I'm very fair, call it as I see it. He's playing better, that shouldn't mean I need to be subjected to your lies because I gave my opinion on a change of form in his play.

Still, that doesn't change that you and others are overrating him like crazy. The fact that you claimed he's currently better than Staal just proves my point. Shiny new toy syndrome.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Just add a V at the end of his name, he'd think he's a top pairing guy right now.

Your point falls flat on its face. I'm American.

Sorry, I'm not one of the many, like you, that has shiny new toy syndrome when it comes to Rangers defenseman. Or I should call it "not Staal or Girardi syndrome" because we all know the reasoning everyone likes new defensemen. Skjei has done better of late with his defending, but overall, he's struggled to defend this season. I don't even know how thats arguable. I don't need to be subjected to ridicule because I admit the truth.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't appreciate your dishonesty.

I clearly said he was playing poorly for a big stretch of games, so I'd like to see a swap of Skjei and Graves. I didn't say Skjei was an AHL player or needed to stay there all season. Besides, I said this like a month ago. Form of players changes. I'm glad Skjei's playing better. I'm very fair, call it as I see it. He's playing better, that shouldn't mean I need to be subjected to your lies because I gave my opinion on a change of form in his play.

Still, that doesn't change that you and others are overrating him like crazy. The fact that you claimed he's currently better than Staal just proves my point. Shiny new toy syndrome.

That never happened.

No one is overrating him, you're underrating him. He has been better than Staal at ever facet of the game, though that isn't saying much because Staal has been flaming hot trash for most of the sesaon, especially of late.

Trust me, that is a pretty common opinion around here because its the right one, not because its "shiny new toy" syndrome.

I'm a Graves fan, clamoring for him over Skjei is laughable.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

That never happened.

No one is overrating him, you're underrating him. He has been better than Staal at ever facet of the game, though that isn't saying much because Staal has been flaming hot trash for most of the sesaon, especially of late.

Trust me, that is a pretty common opinion around here because its the right one, not because its "shiny new toy" syndrome.

I'm a Graves fan, clamoring for him over Skjei is laughable.

This is part of the problem. You'll complain until the cows come home if Staal makes a bad play, but you want to sweep it under the rug for Skjei.

Skjei is a shiny new toy. He can do no wrong. I have no problem with people talking about him in a positive way, I just don't think its fair to ridicule someone, if they are willing to point out the truth when he's clearly struggling. Are we supposed to act like he's never struggled? He's the second coming of Bobby Orr? If thats so, why won't he win the ROY?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is part of the problem. You'll complain until the cows come home if Staal makes a bad play, but you want to sweep it under the rug for Skjei.

Skjei is a shiny new toy. He can do no wrong. I have no problem with people talking about him in a positive way, I just don't think its fair to ridicule someone, if they are willing to point out the truth when he's clearly struggling. Are we supposed to act like he's never struggled? He's the second coming of Bobby Orr? If thats so, why won't he win the ROY?

Except the only place its the truth is in your own mind. No one called him Orr, so can the hyperbole.

I'd love to see how you'd react if someone took this stance on Buchnevich, who has struggled this season more than Skjei has, but I digress.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

P/60 for rookie D-men (>20 GP):

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[Ori]

Yes, a very promising player.

 

[nyr2k2]

This is part of the problem. You'll complain until the cows come home if Staal makes a bad play, but you want to sweep it under the rug for Skjei.

Skjei is a shiny new toy. He can do no wrong. I have no problem with people talking about him in a positive way, I just don't think its fair to ridicule someone, if they are willing to point out the truth when he's clearly struggling. Are we supposed to act like he's never struggled? He's the second coming of Bobby Orr? If thats so, why won't he win the ROY?

He's not a shiny new toy, it's been five years since we drafted him and most of us that actually pay attention to these kids had seen Skjei dozens of times before he debuted last season. If you think Skjei is an example of "Shiny New Toy Syndrome" then it's pretty clear you don't actually know what that means.

And the fact that you're still on this Graves kick, like he's something other than a future 5/6 if he can even keep up, is ridiculous. To suggest we bench Skjei, a guy with legitimate top-pair potential for Graves, who is inconsistent at best IN THE AHL, is laughably absurd.

Skjei gets more of a leash on criticism than Staal because Skjei is a rookie and mistakes are to be expected. He's evaluated in the context of a rookie. Staal is evaluated in the context of a guy who has been in the league for a decade and who should absolutely not being making the stupid plays that he has been.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He's not a shiny new toy, it's been five years since we drafted him and most of us that actually pay attention to these kids had seen Skjei dozens of times before he debuted last season. If you think Skjei is an example of "Shiny New Toy Syndrome" then it's pretty clear you don't actually know what that means.

And the fact that you're still on this Graves kick, like he's something other than a future 5/6 if he can even keep up, is ridiculous. To suggest we bench Skjei, a guy with legitimate top-pair potential for Graves, who is inconsistent at best IN THE AHL, is laughably absurd.

Skjei gets more of a leash on criticism than Staal because Skjei is a rookie and mistakes are to be expected. He's evaluated in the context of a rookie. Staal is evaluated in the context of a guy who has been in the league for a decade and who should absolutely not being making the stupid plays that he has been.

This discussion was from like a month ago when Skjei was clearly struggling. Geoff Gorton brought it up again, and distorted my opinion. I have my opinions on Skjei vs. Graves, you have yours. I don't know why you need to try to control my opinion on Skjei vs. Graves. We disagree. The discussion can be left there. We've already discussed this before.

As for the discussion pertaining to Staal, you are completely wrong about the context. People are making these judgements without putting it into "rookie context." If people want to be excited because he's a rookie and scored a lot of points from a defensive position, go ahead, I'm stopping no one. I don't personally see big offensive upside for his whole career, so I'm more concentrated on the defense, but when I see people claim he's our second best defenseman, its a joke. Geoff Gorton insists he's better than Staal. Its like all that matters is his points, and not his defense, the word defense is in his position name. And its many people. Its like people just erase half our defense from the picture because they don't like them, and act like the only defenseman for the Rangers that exist are McDonagh, Skjei, Clendening, and now Smith. Based on what I've read, Smith won't last long though. Holden was discarded from that equation after like one bad month.

And, we don't need to regurgitate the discussion again, but I am being completely fair to Skjei. I mentioned he's played better defensively of late, but I'm not going to be ridiculed because I mentioned he was struggling defensively at a time where he could do just about nothing right defensively.

 

[gorangers0525]

That never happened.

No one is overrating him, you're underrating him. He has been better than Staal at ever facet of the game, though that isn't saying much because Staal has been flaming hot trash for most of the sesaon, especially of late.

Trust me, that is a pretty common opinion around here because its the right one, not because its "shiny new toy" syndrome.

I'm a Graves fan, clamoring for him over Skjei is laughable.

He's an advocate of the eye test, but he doesn't actually use his own....just goes by reputation from half a decade ago.

 

[The Gloaming]

Being better at defense than Staal isn't very hard at this point. Skjei is better in every aspect except stick checking.

 

[nyr2k2]

This discussion was from like a month ago when Skjei was clearly struggling. Geoff Gorton brought it up again, and distorted my opinion. I have my opinions on Skjei vs. Graves, you have yours. I don't know why you need to try to control my opinion on Skjei vs. Graves. We disagree. The discussion can be left there. We've already discussed this before.

I don't need to control your opinion on Graves vs. Skjei. It's just so absurd that it undermines the rest of your analysis.

As for the discussion pertaining to Staal, you are completely wrong about the context. People are making these judgements without putting it into "rookie context." If people want to be excited because he's a rookie and scored a lot of points from a defensive position, go ahead, I'm stopping no one. I don't personally see big offensive upside for his whole career, so I'm more concentrated on the defense, but when I see people claim he's our second best defenseman, its a joke. Geoff Gorton insists he's better than Staal. Its like all that matters is his points, and not his defense, the word defense is in his position name. And its many people. Its like people just erase half our defense from the picture because they don't like them, and act like the only defenseman for the Rangers that exist are McDonagh, Skjei, Clendening, and now Smith. Based on what I've read, Smith won't last long though. Holden was discarded from that equation after like one bad month.

Skjei has been better than Staal at basically everything. In any context. You don't see offensive upside for his career, yet you do with a vastly inferior prospect in Graves and you see an offensive catalyst in Zborovskiy. That's why no one takes your opinions seriously.

And, we don't need to regurgitate the discussion again, but I am being completely fair to Skjei. I mentioned he's played better defensively of late, but I'm not going to be ridiculed because I mentioned he was struggling defensively at a time where he could do just about nothing right defensively.

No one wants to rehash a discussion when it makes them look clueless. I get that.

 

[Raspewtin]

Being better at defense than Staal isn't very hard at this point. Skjei is better in every aspect except stick checking.

Even at this point he's better.

You need to be in position to perform a good stick check, something Staal has no concept of any more.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't need to control your opinion on Graves vs. Skjei. It's just so absurd that it undermines the rest of your analysis.

Got it. Your opinion is the only one that is valid.

You've long been a Graves skeptic.

Here are a few pieces of evidence.

Here you say you don't like Graves. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=126454937&postcount=571

Here you claim Summers behind Paliotta is the most reliable defender in Hartford. From what I've seen, he is Hartford's worst defender. You also claimed Palliotta was better, but I guess thats not such an outrageous opinion, given Palliotta hasn't been bad. I've watched Hartford maybe like 10 times this season, so I think I have a pretty good grasp on how good everyone is, and I think Graves is pretty clearly the best on the team.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=126626533&postcount=18

Don't you think maybe you are a little too biased to say its absurd to have a specific opinion on this case when you are so biased against one player? How can you be a good judge of what is a valid opinion when your opinion swings so far in one direction? And while I was going back looking into this issue, I saw you argued with another person on this a few weeks ago, and tried saying the same things you are saying towards me. Go figure.

Going back and looking at your posts on this subject, I don't see how you are a fair judge of this. You get offended every single time someone mentions Graves might be better than Skjei eventually, and you mention this subject in passing when it suits your opinion all the time.

As for the actual subject, in this article Leslie Treff suggests of Graves "he could have even more potential than Skjei (its pretty close)." https://www.nysportsday.com/2016/11/29/treff-rangers-winter-2016-top-20-prospect-rankings/

Not to mention, others have brought this subject up before. Its not just me. Maybe you should re-evaluate your opinion. Or maybe you are too biased on this specific subject to do so, and shouldn't be calling out others for holding a different opinion than you.

Skjei has been better than Staal at basically everything. In any context

So what about the context that Staal plays a lot more? What about the context that Staal is more trusted? I wouldn't use AV's decisions as gospel either, I think he makes some very poor ones, but one of the best coaches in the NHL thinks thats so, so I think that invalidates your point of every context.

Skjei also makes way more defensive errors. Use this website. Put his name in, and put Staal's name in. You can watch all the goals they were on the ice for against. http://www.corsica.hockey/highlights/

He's made more defensive errors than any defenseman on the team this season, besides maybe Klein, and thats fine, he's a rookie, but to act like he's currently the Rangers second best defenseman goes exactly to what I'm saying. It might fly here where there are people with like-minded opinions that the Staal's and Girardi types are among the worst players in the NHL due to their corsi and defensive style, and anyone who can skate, put up some points or have a good corsi is worthy of playing in the NHL more so than other players so the Rangers only have four defenseman that exist, McDonagh, Skjei, Clendening, Smith, but that type of opinion isn't born out anywhere in the actual NHL. Skjei doesn't just jump a whole depth chart because he's scored some points. He's not Ekblad as a rookie. He's done some things very well in his rookie season, but also some things poorly. He's been one of our better defenseman offensively, but one of our worst defenseman defensively. No NHL coach would give Skjei more minutes than Staal, unless that team was tanking for a better draft pick and developing players over trying to win games.

You don't see offensive upside for his career, yet you do with a vastly inferior prospect in Graves and you see an offensive catalyst in Zborovskiy. That's why no one takes your opinions seriously.

Skjei was an absolute nothing offensively until he went to Hartford. His career PPG in Hartford is lower than Graves who I think you said will be a 20-25 point defenseman in the NHL, if he even gets to the NHL. He has no shot, he's proven to be bad on the PP, and while he's fine offensively with his stick handling, passing, offensive IQ, I don't think he's a wizard in those areas. I personally don't think he's a 40 point defenseman per season over the course of his career. I don't think there's some offensive lightbulb that all of a sudden went off with his offensive game.

Can you show me where i said Zborovskiy would be an offensive catalyst? I believe I said he's not an offensive zero like McIlrath was, and could contribute a reasonable amount of points for a defenseman, but I'd be shocked if I used the word offensive catalyst or something to that extent. Lets see the evidence that I said that.

No one wants to rehash a discussion when it makes them look clueless. I get that.

This discussion triggers you. You've shown that every single time Skjei is questioned, and Graves is part of the discussion in any context, you get offended. I don't think I even brought Skjei vs. Graves long-term upside into question in this discussion or the one Jeff Gorton mentioned. If you have two players of similar long term ability with one not that far ahead in development of the other, one is badly struggling at the highest level, the other is ready and waiting for a chance currently playing at a lower level, it might not be such a bad idea to temporarily flip them. This was from a month ago, mind you.

The fact that you made this into a long-term Graves vs. Skjei thing is proof that you were triggered because that wasn't even part of any of this original discussion.

 

[Irishguy42]

Can we all just get along and love Brady Skjei?

 

[Mikos87]

His upside is huge, but imo he's a little predictable when retreating.

Lots of positional mistakes too.

 

[nyr2k2]

Got it. Your opinion is the only one that is valid.

You've long been a Graves skeptic.

Here are a few pieces of evidence.

Here you say you don't like Graves. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=126454937&postcount=571

Here you claim Summers behind Paliotta is the most reliable defender in Hartford. From what I've seen, he is Hartford's worst defender. You also claimed Palliotta was better, but I guess thats not such an outrageous opinion, given Palliotta hasn't been bad. I've watched Hartford maybe like 10 times this season, so I think I have a pretty good grasp on how good everyone is, and I think Graves is pretty clearly the best on the team.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=126626533&postcount=18

Don't you think maybe you are a little too biased to say its absurd to have a specific opinion on this case when you are so biased against one player? How can you be a good judge of what is a valid opinion when your opinion swings so far in one direction? And while I was going back looking into this issue, I saw you argued with another person on this a few weeks ago, and tried saying the same things you are saying towards me. Go figure.

Going back and looking at your posts on this subject, I don't see how you are a fair judge of this. You get offended every single time someone mentions Graves might be better than Skjei eventually, and you mention this subject in passing when it suits your opinion all the time.

As for the actual subject, in this article Leslie Treff suggests of Graves "he could have even more potential than Skjei (its pretty close)." https://www.nysportsday.com/2016/11/29/treff-rangers-winter-2016-top-20-prospect-rankings/

Not to mention, others have brought this subject up before. Its not just me. Maybe you should re-evaluate your opinion. Or maybe you are too biased on this specific subject to do so, and shouldn't be calling out others for holding a different opinion than you.



So what about the context that Staal plays a lot more? What about the context that Staal is more trusted? I wouldn't use AV's decisions as gospel either, I think he makes some very poor ones, but one of the best coaches in the NHL thinks thats so, so I think that invalidates your point of every context.

Skjei also makes way more defensive errors. Use this website. Put his name in, and put Staal's name in. You can watch all the goals they were on the ice for against. http://www.corsica.hockey/highlights/

He's made more defensive errors than any defenseman on the team this season, besides maybe Klein, and thats fine, he's a rookie, but to act like he's currently the Rangers second best defenseman goes exactly to what I'm saying. It might fly here where there are people with like-minded opinions that the Staal's and Girardi types are among the worst players in the NHL due to their corsi and defensive style, and anyone who can skate, put up some points or have a good corsi is worthy of playing in the NHL more so than other players so the Rangers only have four defenseman that exist, McDonagh, Skjei, Clendening, Smith, but that type of opinion isn't born out anywhere in the actual NHL. Skjei doesn't just jump a whole depth chart because he's scored some points. He's not Ekblad as a rookie. He's done some things very well in his rookie season, but also some things poorly. He's been one of our better defenseman offensively, but one of our worst defenseman defensively. No NHL coach would give Skjei more minutes than Staal, unless that team was tanking for a better draft pick and developing players over trying to win games.



Skjei was an absolute nothing offensively until he went to Hartford. His career PPG in Hartford is lower than Graves who I think you said will be a 20-25 point defenseman in the NHL, if he even gets to the NHL. He has no shot, he's proven to be bad on the PP, and while he's fine offensively with his stick handling, passing, offensive IQ, I don't think he's a wizard in those areas. I personally don't think he's a 40 point defenseman per season over the course of his career. I don't think there's some offensive lightbulb that all of a sudden went off with his offensive game.

Can you show me where i said Zborovskiy would be an offensive catalyst? I believe I said he's not an offensive zero like McIlrath was, and could contribute a reasonable amount of points for a defenseman, but I'd be shocked if I used the word offensive catalyst or something to that extent. Lets see the evidence that I said that.



This discussion triggers you. You've shown that every single time Skjei is questioned, and Graves is part of the discussion in any context, you get offended. I don't think I even brought Skjei vs. Graves long-term upside into question in this discussion or the one Jeff Gorton mentioned. If you have two players of similar long term ability with one not that far ahead in development of the other, one is badly struggling at the highest level, the other is ready and waiting for a chance currently playing at a lower level, it might not be such a bad idea to temporarily flip them. This was from a month ago, mind you.

The fact that you made this into a long-term Graves vs. Skjei thing is proof that you were triggered because that wasn't even part of any of this original discussion.

The idea that this discussion sets me off me is hilarious. If anything sets me off me, it's you. You take a contrarian approach to many issues because you think it makes you sound informed, and then when people call you out on the absurdity of your opinions, you get defensive. I bring up the Skjei vs. Graves thing because it shows how hilariously off-base your analysis is. You're not a good judge of talent.

 

[offdacrossbar]

We forget he's a rookie. He played a handful of games last year and then played as well as any dman in that terrible pens series.

He's got great pro size, effortless stride, a defense first mentality and the ability to push the puck and recover.

Given his age, I think he's been fantastic. Projecting him 2 seasons from now, I see a legit top 4 NHL dman.

 

[Zil]

Not to be that guy, but "triggering" is a real thing that happens to sufferers of PTSD.

For people with PTSD, it is very common for their memories to be triggered by sights, sounds, smells or even feelings that they experience. These triggers can bring back memories of the trauma and cause intense emotional and physical reactions, such as raised heart rate, sweating and muscle tension. - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...YsbpCWSkFkiJpUEmA&sig2=ng44sTUp2zuDyL-8ijdj9g

Internet trolls have warped triggering into a meme they can use to make fun of anyone they don't like, but mental illness is a real thing. Can we not trivialize the pain of those who struggle with it?

Anyway, to stay on topic: Brady definitely struggled mid-season, but he has really elevated his game the last month or two. I don't know if he's going to continue to post quite as many points going forward, but unexpected offense is always nice. Still not sold on his pp usage given that he has yet to register a pp goal or primary assist.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The idea that this discussion "triggers" me is hilarious. If anything "triggers" me, it's you. You take a contrarian approach to many issues because you think it makes you sound informed, and then when people call you out on the absurdity of your opinions, you get defensive. I bring up the Skjei vs. Graves thing because it shows how hilariously off-base your analysis is. You're not a good judge of talent.

So no proof that I called Zborovskiy an offensive catalyst? Like I thought. You made that one up.

You were the one that responded to me first, you started name calling, your tone was very rude in your original reply to me, so I think that speaks for itself. Your constant history on this issue does as well.

If I'm such a bad judge of talent, what are you? You are an NHL scout?

I give my opinion on issues I want to. If its contrarian, I don't really care. Who are you to judge who's opinions are good and bad?

 

[NYRFAN218]

The idea that this discussion "triggers" me is hilarious. If anything "triggers" me, it's you. You take a contrarian approach to many issues because you think it makes you sound informed, and then when people call you out on the absurdity of your opinions, you get defensive. I bring up the Skjei vs. Graves thing because it shows how hilariously off-base your analysis is. You're not a good judge of talent.

He wanted to bat Cespedes like 7th or 8th in the World Series rofl

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He wanted to bat Cespedes like 7th or 8th in the World Series rofl

He went 3 for 20 in the world series, no XBH's. Lost us game one because of his laziness in the OF, had a key base running blunder in game 4. He had a terrible postseason in 2015, he hit .220, only two HR's.

Here's are a few articles about how poor his postseason was.

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2015/10/mets_yoenis_cespedes_has_gone_from_regular-season.html
http://www.metro.us/new-york/mets-b...world-series-to-forget/zsJoka---gL5hHmLxEbQk/

 

[Made Dan]

So no proof that I called Zborovskiy an offensive catalyst? Like I thought. You made that one up.

You were the one that responded to me first, you started name calling, your tone was very rude in your original reply to me, so I think that speaks for itself. Your constant history on this issue does as well.

If I'm such a bad judge of talent, what are you? You are an NHL scout?

I give my opinion on issues I want to. If its contrarian, I don't really care. Who are you to judge who's opinions are good and bad?

In my opinion, a lot of your opinions are as sensible as bern's trade proposals.

 

[Mac n Gs]

All I'm gonna say, if it's shiny new toy syndrome with Skjei, then what the **** is it with Buch? We've been waiting on these two prospects forever, and now that they're playing well, being happy about that is shiny new toy syndrome?