Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[KMNRB]

This Al Bundy sh** is classic subversion tactics to gently undermine the new GM. I'll give you credit. There's plausible deniability of "it's only a joke". Plus others join in wanting to be in on the joke. It's a great tactic to un-cool a band or a movie.

The same joke can equally be applied to Dubas, going to an organization trying to win a cup with a core of 35 years old or older.

 

[Buds17]

he clearly had pitts in his back pocket months ago. He has connection with beeston already. Pitts going thouugh a deep process and then putting it on hold for dubas and flying him out the very next day shanny fired him is a clear indication that this was all in the works.

Dubas asked for $$ money and more leverage bc if he didnt get it in toronto he got it in pitts

guy is a fkin turd to use the family card and cry like a sissy on stage.

just be a man and say i cant handle the gig and i want to leave

goof

I find it tough to believe that a return to Toronto was Plan A for Dubas because the Pittsburgh rumours began/intensified as soon as their season was over IIRC. Realistically, both sides had to start "looking elsewhere" at some point in the absence of a contract being signed. I'd also say that Treliving to Toronto and Dubas to Pittsburgh - particularly the latter - both came together rather quickly (if one believes that the Shanahan presser was the starting point for either or both).

 

[Squiffy]

Gotta convince Bell and Rogers though, Shanny looks pretty secure to me. Good enough standing to turf a GM late May that wasn’t the expected direction, they’ve got his back for now.

Gotta be the last try for him though. Maybe that’s still five years but when Treliving goes, barring a Cup or two in the interim, Shanny goes.

 

[Squiffy]

This Al Bundy sh** is classic subversion tactics to gently undermine the new GM. I'll give you credit. There's plausible deniability of "it's only a joke". Plus others join in wanting to be in on the joke. It's a great tactic to un-cool a band or a movie.

No he just looks like Al Bundy and Al Bundy was funny, at least for my part. Providing opportunity to relive a time that I enjoyed in my life, no deep psychological 3D chess move behind it. I hope for nothing but the best for him, because he is the GM of my Leafs, and god speed there Treliving.

Polk High Rulzs!

 

[mikeyz]

Or Dubas makes a play to bring him to Pitts in some capacity

Sullivan isn't going anywhere though.

 

[Squiffy]

This Al Bundy sh** is classic subversion tactics to gently undermine the new GM. I'll give you credit. There's plausible deniability of "it's only a joke". Plus others join in wanting to be in on the joke. It's a great tactic to un-cool a band or a movie.

I mean really, you're over-thinking this my man. Everyone here wants the Leafs to win, and, it's just a message board. It's supposed to be fun. Winning HF is not the point at all. Trust me, I have been as deep down in here as anyone ever, maybe ULF and Mess excepted, maybe, but try to have fun, coming here to do battle is draining, not worth it.

 

[demonslayer]

The Leafs will never take off there clown shoes.

 

[Superstar]

he clearly had pitts in his back pocket months ago. He has connection with beeston already. Pitts going thouugh a deep process and then putting it on hold for dubas and flying him out the very next day shanny fired him is a clear indication that this was all in the works.

Dubas asked for $$ money and more leverage bc if he didnt get it in toronto he got it in pitts

guy is a fkin turd to use the family card and cry like a sissy on stage.

just be a man and say i cant handle the gig and i want to leave

goof

Who the heck emails his boss and says he wants to come back after ghosting him for a couple days and having his agent shove a new contract that's totally out of line with what was previously discussed? That's someone who was playing games and didn't want to come back...he could have just be honest and tell Shanahan he doesn't want to come back...unless, he's trying to make himself look good and Shanahan look bad...no wonder Shanahan disclosed so much in his presser after he let Dubas go...he wasn't going to let Dubas play him like a fool.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I think Kyle handled some of it badly, he’s a young guy. Maybe needs to mature.

Shanny is a joke though.

I’d rather have Dubas running my hockey ops over Shanny. I think Shanny brings very little to the table.

I’m still waiting for someone to make an argument for Shanny instead of one against Dubas. Where’s his track record as an exec? He presided over the changes to the league and the team that most people on here seem to hate.

 

[saffronleaf]

eww 'scust

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Not only does the team stink, it's now surrounded itself with an off-ice stinking cloud of stink too.

This whole Treliving thing just smells fishy.

That's because, like with fish, the rot starts at the top. With the head. Now that Tanenbaum is looking at Chelsea as source of his next yacht payment he seems to have forgotten all about what once was the crown jewel of his possessions.

I guess we are expected to be glad to have rich owners that can afford to pay star athletes millions of dollars.

Well I can spend all my money too. Doesn’t mean I’m spending it responsibly. Spending a lot of money doesn't mean anything if it's being spent foolishly.

Everything everyone said would happen when Dubas was hired happened.

Now that he's gone it's a simple matter for the organization to scapegoat him. Especially to any fan that doesn’t look below the surface. Or have any desire to ask the hard questions of this organization.

Like, "How is this franchise going to ice a team for the 2024/2025 season without trading a core player?" Or, "Are we going to keep paying for players that are dead weight?" And "How is Treliving a better choice than Dubas and what is his vision to move this team forward?"

Luckily we have owners that are transparent and willing to answer the tough questions.

Oh, wait.....

I would really like to know what ownership has to say for themselves. See if they have a plan. Just to give us something, anything, so we can feel like they actually care.

Because right now, this whole situation, it stinks.

 

[Niagara Bill]

I’m still waiting for someone to make an argument for Shanny instead of one against Dubas. Where’s his track record as an exec? He presided over the changes to the league and the team that most people on here seem to hate.

I think Shannys weakness is his team first approach, as ge was as a player.
He did not want to believe the guy who he gave his chance to, the guy he supported above Hunter, Lou, Babcock etc was not who he thought he was. It is obvious Dubas agent had worked deal with Pitt before end of season, without permission. Maybe even had direct contact. Shanny couldn't believe his guy was a traitor.
Next mistake he is making, AM, another untrustworthy employee.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Brendan Shanahan's big gamble: Can Brad Treliving get the Maple Leafs to the next level?

Shanahan is putting his job on the line that Treliving can succeed where Kyle Dubas could not.

theathletic.com

Auston Matthews shared a close relationship with Dubas. The now-former Leafs GM was there on stage in Buffalo when Matthews was picked No. 1 at the 2016 draft. In other words, Dubas was with the Leafs in one capacity or another for the entirety of Matthews’ career in the league.

Treliving won’t be able to build that kind of kinship overnight, obviously, but he’ll have to try and make Matthews believe in him and his ability to steer the franchise.

One large sliver of the bet that Shanahan made in grabbing the keys from Dubas and turning them over to a newcomer like Treliving was tied to Matthews. The bet: That another GM, someone unfamiliar to Matthews, wouldn’t hurt the Leafs’ chances of keeping him.

Not just keep him either, but keep him as long as possible.

Will Matthews be less willing to sign a longer-term deal with Treliving in charge than he would have been with Dubas? And if Matthews wavers about signing any deal at all, for a month or two, or even beyond the start of the season, how will Treliving handle that?

Another understandably less-talked-about priority on the contract front is William Nylander, who can also sign an extension as soon as Canada Day. Unlike Matthews, the question with Nylander is whether to sign him or not. And if not, what then?

Nylander’s limited no-trade clause kicks in on the same day the Leafs can extend him.

If Treliving doesn’t want to sign Nylander, or isn’t comfortable meeting his asking price, is he willing to let him play out the year? Is he trading him? And if so, what for? Will he know Nylander’s true value or undersell him like those outside the Leafs long have?

This wasn’t going to be an easy decision for Dubas, a long-time Nylander supporter. It’s going to be even harder for an outsider like Treliving, especially with the tight timeline involved.

Treliving wouldn’t commit to anything when it came to the subject of the core, and whether a trade was in order.

“We will look at all things,” he said.

Was Shanahan trying to take the pressure off his new GM when, according to TSN’s/NorthStar Bets’ Chris Johnston, he told Matthews, Nylander, Mitch Marner, and John Tavares that they were all likely to return next season? Was he speaking for his new GM? Does Treliving at least test the market over the next few weeks? Does he have time to come up with something that makes the Leafs better?

One of the problems with Shanahan (apparently) stubbornly clinging to all four stars again is how difficult it will be to truly upgrade the roster otherwise.

If they’re not at least willing to explore trades with Nylander or Marner, say, how exactly do the Leafs plan on landing a No. 2 centre who can push Tavares over to his rightful place on the wing? The UFA options in the middle aren’t great.

Shanahan obviously believes Treliving will make shrewd decisions on the free-agent marketplace. The Leafs have soooo many holes to fill on that front and will have to score a few deals, especially if they plan on remaining committed to that top-heavy salary structure.

This article just reads like sour grapes.

 

[613Leafer]

This article just reads like sour grapes.

Funny that Siegal who was one of the biggest defenders of the massive medium term Matthews/Marner contracts, and who year after year kept pounding the drum about keeping the core four and tinkering around the edges, all of a sudden believes big changes should be made.

Where was this article suggesting Dubas should be making big changes after the Columbus loss? After the Montreal loss?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

After hearing his press conference, same sh$t, different GM.

People talk about a culture change for a reason. These young men are too immature and don’t show any signs of growing up. They simply don’t have what it takes. They don’t have that extra gear or killer instinct.

Sure let’s keep the core four because they’ve accomplished sooooo much.

Season accolades are great but they’re not what matters. This team sucks and fans have been brainwashed to accept mediocrity.

Blow it up I say and do it right.

You do realize that when you say “this team sucks” you lose all credibility with anything else you say. A team that has made the playoffs the last 7 years and have achieved 115 and 111 points in the past two seasons doesn’t “suck” by any definition. They may underwhelm in the playoffs but this is a damn good team.

Perhaps this is what this team needed. A set of fresh eyes, the potential for a change in approach. I like Treliving, he’s kind of grown on me the more I’ve learned about him. I think he will make this team harder to play against, beginning with changes on defence. Let’s not shit on the guy before giving him a chance. At least he’s not the douche bag Dubas turned out to be.

 

[Metroid]

This Al Bundy sh** is classic subversion tactics to gently undermine the new GM. I'll give you credit. There's plausible deniability of "it's only a joke". Plus others join in wanting to be in on the joke. It's a great way to un-cool a band or a movie.

Ok fun police

 

[BLONG7]

It seems fans have been asking for the D to be built better, but it would seem one of the Core Four has to be used to do so..............the new GM is not thinking any differently than many fans.
Can it be done without a big trade to one of the Four?

Dubas tried, and couldn't figure it out...........

 

[Americanadian]

That’s because Brodie does not like him for having been offered to Toronto in a trade without having been consulted

If this is true - is it likely that Brodie is moved?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't know Dekes, when I played I usually played to win the Championship.

I play to win the championship too.

Your expectations couldn't have been too high considering Dubas' teams failures year after year

My expectations are high, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get angry and go around yelling and blaming everything and everyone when I don't get what I wanted. That doesn't mean I'm going to advocate doing things that set the team backwards and put me further from what I want. I recognize the external factors that come into play in hockey. I recognize what the GM's job is, and what he can impact. And if I don't win this year, I'd rather do what's best for my chances to win next year, over sabotaging it out of emotion.

My expectations of the GM specifically were for him to make good, well-reasoned hockey decisions, fix holes in the team, build up the organization/take advantage of our resources, keep a healthy internal development system, and put together a top tier team that could compete for the cup, and Dubas did all that.

Hopefully Treliving is more capable than his recent history would suggest.

The last 5 years has been the worse kind of tease. We've had the smallest of chances at playoff success while teasing us that it might be possible in the future.

I can think of a lot of worse periods to be a Leaf fan than having a 110+ point team with one of the best chances at the cup every year.

You just witnessed a rookie GM learn on the job and piss away our ELC years from generational talents.

I certainly watched a GM piss away our star's ELC years, but Lou wasn't a rookie GM, and I don't think he's learned anything for decades.

 

[GoonieFace]

I think Kyle handled some of it badly, he’s a young guy. Maybe needs to mature.

Shanny is a joke though.

I’d rather have Dubas running my hockey ops over Shanny. I think Shanny brings very little to the table.

After watching that Dubas presser on SportsCentre this morning, I’m glad he is gone. He is such a little dweeb

 

[geo25]

Willy will ask for 10, Matthews will ask for 15, Marner 15, then we're right back where we started, only with a aging core this time around.

Trade Willy, and don't resign Tavares when the time comes. Focus all the remaining cap and assets on D and depth up front. The core four is a failure no matter how you slice it.

Correct...I'd trade them all...

 

[geo25]

he clearly had pitts in his back pocket months ago. He has connection with beeston already. Pitts going thouugh a deep process and then putting it on hold for dubas and flying him out the very next day shanny fired him is a clear indication that this was all in the works.

Dubas asked for $$ money and more leverage bc if he didnt get it in toronto he got it in pitts

guy is a fkin turd to use the family card and cry like a sissy on stage.

just be a man and say i cant handle the gig and i want to leave

goof

Machavellian scumbag...

 

[ToneDog]

It seems fans have been asking for the D to be built better, but it would seem one of the Core Four has to be used to do so..............the new GM is not thinking any differently than many fans.
Can it be done without a big trade to one of the Four?

Dubas tried, and couldn't figure it out...........

You do not find Ekblads, Petros, Theordores, Montours at Value Village. Shanny inherited Rielly and has not developed another top pairing dman in 9 years. The Sabres have Dahlin and Power and are closing the gap.

 

[geo25]

I think Shannys weakness is his team first approach, as ge was as a player.
He did not want to believe the guy who he gave his chance to, the guy he supported above Hunter, Lou, Babcock etc was not who he thought he was. It is obvious Dubas agent had worked deal with Pitt before end of season, without permission. Maybe even had direct contact. Shanny couldn't believe his guy was a traitor.
Next mistake he is making, AM, another untrustworthy employee.

Bingo...AM is going to be just as deceitful. Imho he's gone....

 

[All Mod Cons]

Not only does the team stink, it's now surrounded itself with an off-ice stinking cloud of stink too.

This whole Treliving thing just smells fishy.

That's because, like with fish, the rot starts at the top. With the head. Now that Tanenbaum is looking at Chelsea as source of his next yacht payment he seems to have forgotten all about what once was the crown jewel of his possessions.

I guess we are expected to be glad to have rich owners that can afford to pay star athletes millions of dollars.

Well I can spend all my money too. Doesn’t mean I’m spending it responsibly. Spending a lot of money doesn't mean anything if it's being spent foolishly.

Everything everyone said would happen when Dubas was hired happened.

Now that he's gone it's a simple matter for the organization to scapegoat him. Especially to any fan that doesn’t look below the surface. Or have any desire to ask the hard questions of this organization.

Like, "How is this franchise going to ice a team for the 2024/2025 season without trading a core player?" Or, "Are we going to keep paying for players that are dead weight?" And "How is Treliving a better choice than Dubas and what is his vision to move this team forward?"

Luckily we have owners that are transparent and willing to answer the tough questions.

Oh, wait.....

I would really like to know what ownership has to say for themselves. See if they have a plan. Just to give us something, anything, so we can feel like they actually care.

Because right now, this whole situation, it stinks.

Dubas got us in this mess. It will now be down to Brad to try and undo 5 years of misteps. An unenviable task for sure.