Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

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In ousting a GM who only won a single playoff series but also helped his team win its first playoff series in 19 years, Shanahan and the Leafs boxed themselves into somewhat of a corner. They had a team squarely in its contention window, with multiple stars in need of contract extensions and an extremely busy summer to-do list ahead. Another progressive, forward-thinking hire that could grow into the role simply wasn’t going to work. They forced themselves into needing a turnkey hire. During the presser, Shanahan essentially admitted that when he explained that experience “would be attractive” as a quality.

In an instant, Brad Treliving’s name shot to the top of every logical candidate list. Unlike fan-fiction option Doug Armstrong, Treliving was actually available, having just parted ways with the Calgary Flames. He had taken that team to a pair of division titles over his nine seasons with them. He of course had the relevant recent high-profile experience of making major roster overhauls involving superstars in a Canadian market and, despite Calgary’s poor showing this season, was perceived to have done extremely well in replacing Matthew Tkachuk and Johnny Gaudreau with Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar and Nazem Kadri. Really, had the Flames gotten even average goaltending this season, they would’ve made the playoffs.


So Treliving steps into the job as the most sensible hire out there, especially when compared to the other options. The image-conscious Leafs were never going to touch Stan Bowman, and even Marc Bergevin would’ve raised some eyebrows, too. With so much at stake during their current contention window, they weren’t going to try a Jason Botterill redemption arc or crown a first-time GM such as Eric Tulsky. It had to be Treliving.

He has himself a new stretch of runway, albeit not nearly as long as what he had in Calgary. But the question now is: how much runway does Shanahan have left?

He theoretically will be bringing in a GM who will work within the confines of the MLSE and Shanahan influence when it comes to making roster decisions, something Dubas reportedly was tired of doing. But while Shahanan will have the final say over Treliving – it’s Treliving who will have the power over what happens to Shanahan next.

In walking away from Dubas and immediately bringing in a GM who, while experienced, doesn’t have any top-end NHL success, Shanahan is making a moderate gamble that will either be revered one day as a stroke of genius or remembered as his final stand.


Treliving had the necessary recent experience, yes. But we’d be lying to ourselves if we called it resoundingly successful experience. In nine seasons, his Flames actually won just one playoff series more than the Leafs, unless you count Calgary’s victory in the preliminary round of 24 just to qualify for the 16-team bubble in 2019-20. His Flames missed the playoffs in four of nine seasons.

Treliving showed a willingness over that span to make some bold moves, and some of them paid off. Getting Dougie Hamilton from the Boston Bruins for draft picks in 2015 was a coup, and the Flames scored another win when they nabbed Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin from the Carolina Hurricanes in 2018 in a deal that sent Hamilton, Adam Fox and Micheal Ferland the other way – when you factor in that future Norris Trophy winner Fox wasn’t going to sign in Calgary.

The Flames also inked some winning contracts under Treliving, too. Jacob Markstrom, at first, become the No. 1 goaltender they hoped he’d be, and Chris Tanev brought stability to the back end. And they scored plenty of draft-day victories under Treliving’s watch: Rasmus Andersson, Oliver Kylington and Andrew Mangiapane in 2015 and Tkachuk and Dillon Dube in 2016 were among the standouts.

On the flip side: Treliving took plenty of Ls with his roster decisions, too. The 2017 Travis Hamonic trade aged terribly. The 2021 Sam Bennett trade looks worse by the day. The signings of Troy Brouwer (2016) and James Neal (2018) were disastrous, and Blake Coleman’s 2021 deal has been a flop so far.

The Flames also haven’t yielded much production from recent first-round selections such as Jakob Pelletier (2019) and Connor Zary (2020), largely because they employed a coach in Darryl Sutter who was loath to play them. That hire was made by Treliving. While Sutter won the Jack Adams Award for his work in 2021-22, his aloof taskmaster act wore so thin, so fast that players were prepping their trade requests for this offseason before the Flames let him go. Sutter’s reputation did not sneak up on anyone; Treliving knew who he was hiring, so he has to bear some of the responsibility for things going sour.

The summary of Treliving’s work as an NHL GM so far: a mixture of noteworthy wins and losses, both in the standings and in his transaction history. It tells us the Leafs and Shanahan are putting their eggs into the basket of someone who has proven himself to be competent at the NHL level but has yet to truly excel as a GM.

Whether Treliving makes Shanahan look brilliant or not, honestly, could come down to the randomness of the NHL in the current era.
This is a world in which the Jack Adams winner gets fired the next season; the Flames’ goaltender goes from second place in the Vezina Trophy vote to one of the worst puck-stoppers in the league; a 115-point scorer in Huberdeau drops to 55 points the next season; and a team that qualified for the playoffs in the final week of the season beats the first 65-win team in NHL history en route to reaching the Stanley Cup Final.

Nothing is a sure thing in the NHL anymore. Treliving isn’t despite his experience. The Leafs could crumble next season or win the Stanley Cup. But whatever happens in the Treliving era will finalize Shanahan’s legacy shepherding the storied franchise, for better or worse.
 

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Im fine moving Nylander for the right price. But if Moving Nylander is the only major shake up this team is due for another 1st round exit. Atleast fire Keefe ffs.
Nylander is one of my favorite players on the team (which isn't saying much TBH). But he played hardball as a 22 goal scorer, think of what that means from a 40 goal scorer. Good thing Dubas is gone or we would have found out...
 

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Ideally, George McPhee. I would have been happy with Doug Armstrong or Jim Nill as well. Realistically, none of those people are coming here to be report to Shanahan. So when (not if) this team poops the bed again, then perhaps the BoG will find a real experienced hockey person to captain this ship. Because right now we have no one.

Jim Nill is a marginal upgrade over Treliving, if that. Prefer the team built in Calgary over Dallas based on their defense alone. Dallas just has better coaching, and Nill has benefited from no state tax.

McPhee, until Vegas, had similar accomplishments to Treliving (not making it far in the playoffs) and is the architect of one of the worst hockey trades of all time (Forsberg for Erat).

Maybe just give this guy a chance?
 

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Teams that may go on runs or even have decent regular seasons, but whose talent-level and underlying numbers don't match their on-ice success. A good example is the 2016-2017 Ottawa Senators: They missed the playoffs the year before, had a decent but not great 98-point season, and then went on a run that took them within one goal (ECF; Game 7 OT) of the Cup Finals. They actually allowed more goals than they scored throughout that year and the following year finished in the bottom 3 overall.
How does that make sense? Ottawa goes to the semi-final, but they are "objectively bad"? Is it possible to go the Stanley Cup Finals and be "objectively bad"?
 

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What the actual crap!!!

The whole idea behind getting rid of dubas was not to double down on stupidity

Keefe is a major problem. I don't want a coach who calls out stupid performance and then the following day does "takesy backsy"

More importantly dont want a coach who gets freakin OUTCOACHED every playoffs
Well, now, hold a minute...The Friedman quote reads (in part):

"...Shanahan told prospective GM's that he was happy with Keefe and would like to keep him but ultimately GM's call. Very few candidates, if any, objected."

He's publicly stated (or allowed for public consumption through his interviews) that he was happy with Keefe..."but ultimately [its the] GM's call." He's left the option there.

"Very few candidates, if any, objected." To retaining/Firing Keefe? Again, it reads like the option is there and that Treliving understands his latitude. Interesting moreover given the circumstances Treliving just left. Imagine Shanahan saying, he's staying no matter what? Treliving I suspect would have had none of that and allowed the Leafs GM search to continue.

It's a slippery form of cover, but if true, genuinely allows the GM to assess the situation and remedy it according to conclusion.

I also don't think Shanahan's apparent (again allowed through the media) assurance to the four is ironclad. I think its all public facing negative news diffusion. Privately, I think there's more than meets the eye.
 

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Well, now, hold a minute...The Friedman quote reads (in part):

"...Shanahan told prospective GM's that he was happy with Keefe and would like to keep him but ultimately GM's call. Very few candidates, if any, objected."

He's publicly stated (or allowed for public consumption through his interviews) that he was happy with Keefe..."but ultimately [its the] GM's call." He's left the option there.

"Very few candidates, if any, objected." To retaining/Firing Keefe? Again, it reads like the option is there and that Treliving understands his latitude. Interesting moreover given the circumstances Treliving just left. Imagine Shanahan saying, he's staying no matter what? Treliving I suspect would have had none of that and allowed the Leafs GM search to continue.

It's a slippery form of cover, but if true, genuinely allows the GM to assess the situation and remedy it according to conclusion.

I also don't think Shanahan's apparent (again allowed through the media) assurance to the four is ironclad. I think its all public facing negative news diffusion. Privately, I think there's more than meets the eye.
I wouldn’t so sure. Shanahan is clearly a moron. He actually wanted to bring that turd Dubas back, that tells me all we need to know.
 

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Jim Nill is a marginal upgrade over Treliving, if that. Prefer the team built in Calgary over Dallas based on their defense alone. Dallas just has better coaching, and Nill has benefited from no state tax.

McPhee, until Vegas, had similar accomplishments to Treliving (not making it far in the playoffs) and is the architect of one of the worst hockey trades of all time (Forsberg for Erat).

Maybe just give this guy a chance?
I couldn't find the post you were replying to to reply to it so hopefully he sees this. McPhee traded his top prospect in Forsberg for Erat who was nothing special. That can't be forgiven.
 

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Well, now, hold a minute...The Friedman quote reads (in part):

"...Shanahan told prospective GM's that he was happy with Keefe and would like to keep him but ultimately GM's call. Very few candidates, if any, objected."

He's publicly stated (or allowed for public consumption through his interviews) that he was happy with Keefe..."but ultimately [its the] GM's call." He's left the option there.

"Very few candidates, if any, objected." To retaining/Firing Keefe? Again, it reads like the option is there and that Treliving understands his latitude. Interesting moreover given the circumstances Treliving just left. Imagine Shanahan saying, he's staying no matter what? Treliving I suspect would have had none of that and allowed the Leafs GM search to continue.

It's a slippery form of cover, but if true, genuinely allows the GM to assess the situation and remedy it according to conclusion.

I also don't think Shanahan's apparent (again allowed through the media) assurance to the four is ironclad. I think its all public facing negative news diffusion. Privately, I think there's more than meets the eye.
So you think Treliving was 1 of the few GM’s interviewed who objected?
 

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Matthews signing 9x8 and doing ads for Boston Pizza

Genuine question, what are the actual rules on this ? I saw some people throw this idea around, I don't think it'll be the case but what if he takes a super team friendly deal but starts raking in a bit of extra cash from potential TV ads or something with Boston Pizza ?
 

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In my estimation the best choice was MB. Ler's hope he succeeds, he is going to need to be bold, the fanbase will respect it.

My guess is it doesn't matter anyways really, the owners will meddle and will wear our caps on the weekend with shame (or fear ofbeing beaten up for wearing it lol).

The futility of this franchise is unparalelled. I'd come in with guns blazing,.if he is allowed to...
 

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Dubas here is a peace offering
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Matthews signing 9x8 and doing ads for Boston Pizza

Genuine question, what are the actual rules on this ? I saw some people throw this idea around, I don't think it'll be the case but what if he takes a super team friendly deal but starts raking in a bit of extra cash from potential TV ads or something with Boston Pizza ?

Outside of Toronto, probably fine.

In Toronto, the NHL probably will ban us.
 
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Matthews is a unicorn so hard to play hardball with him, that's what I would say.

Marner contract was brutal, I was expecting 7 years at 9 million, 9.5 tops.

Nylander was the best value for sure. TBH I don't even remember what I thought at the time about the dollars/term, I just thought the promise to never trade him as long as Dubas was the GM was a completely insane rookie move.
Matthews is a REGULAR SEASON unicorn... and even that is dependent on his motivation on any particular day.

Trade him.
 

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Part of me just wants Treliving to fill the bottom half of the lineup with the biggest, fastest, pieces of shit in the league. Who cares if they can play. The core should drag the team to the playoffs regardless.

I’m not actually sure if that team would be better. But it will be entertaining.
 

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Matthews signing 9x8 and doing ads for Boston Pizza

Genuine question, what are the actual rules on this ? I saw some people throw this idea around, I don't think it'll be the case but what if he takes a super team friendly deal but starts raking in a bit of extra cash from potential TV ads or something with Boston Pizza ?
I've been saying this for years in T.O. You have massive corporste sponsors, you should unofficially lean on them heavily. A.win/win.

I'm not sure the Players Union would like such an act, but if ANY serious T.O athlete took a heavy paycut in their prime, theh would be relished forever.

It's the prmary reason I don't get on JT too hard, he took less money to live in the fisbowl.
 

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