Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[Willchel Marlynder]

Yeeeeeeaaaaah, signs not looking great here.

Gross looks like the only major move will be a new GM and probably Willy traded. Disgusting

 

[Beaumaris]

It's not boring. It's putting Treliving on trial without making a single move in Toronto. Expecting perfection too. Was Dubas perfect? He was hardly perfect. He made fundamental mistakes as well as making hasty decisions. Treliving is not my first choice, but I'm willing to give him some time here.

The craziest thing is that many hockey fans on HF crowned Treliving last offseason for getting Hubereau/Weeger/Kadri. Such hypocrites.

The ‘boring’ was not directed at you bud.

 

[Trapper]

Good post

Also throw in how unlucky they were... their overtime record and i believe the historical number of posts hit

For all the heat the Flames are taking, they actually had 1 more point than Florida (93-92) in the regular season. And that was with a coach issue and new players + goalie struggles. Florida is in the final and it’s being made to look like Calgary was a basement team.

 

[InfinityIggy]

There’s a lot of talk on his recent drafts not being good. Any insight on prospects that were recently drafted by Calgary that aren’t getting as much love as they should?

Absolutely.

2022: Tre only had 3 picks and no 1st rounder so I won't really touch on that as its too soon anyway.

2021: Coronato at 13 was the guy a huge number of us wanted so we were excited with the pick. We badly needed a high end sniper. He has only continued to impress since then and although he may need 1 year in the AHL as he just turned pro I could see him being in the Flames top-nine by the end of this season.

Still a bit early on everyone else.

2020: Zary is a nice piece, but pretty average for his draft position. However, Kuzentsov and Poirier both look like they are on track to develop into NHL defenders. Kuznetsov probably competes for a spot this year but I would guess is another year away. Poirier definitely needs another year of development but his offensive capabilities are really exciting.

2019: Pelletier in mind my was and still is a slam dunk of a late 1st round pick. He will be fighting for a spot in the Flames top 6 this season, but honestly his game is so well rounded he could also be a great checking-line forward if need be. He has captain type potential, in my opinion.

Dustin Wolf, 7th round. Looking like (fingers crossed) a franchise goalie.

 

[WTFMAN99]

For all the heat the Flames are taking, they actually had 1 more point than Florida (93-92) in the regular season. And that was with a coach issue and new players + goalie struggles. Florida is in the final and it’s being made to look like Calgary was a basement team.

Markstrom played historically bad.

Team underperformed

Coach seemed to sabotage them more than help

I still say with hand he was dealt last off-season, Gaudreau saying he wanted to stay, got offered the $$ he wanted and then still left....

Getting a great return for Tkachuk all things considered and then signing Kadri 7x7 which is pretty decent.

Just a crazy time and head scratcher.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Brad was delivered a horrible hand last summer and was quick to (TRY) to rectify it. The results sucked, but it was what it was. I think they know he has the balls to make big moves given that.

There needs to be a different vision at the top and I think this spells the end of Sheldon Keefe which is good. I'll give Brad a chance.

Dubas definitely needed to go

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

All faith lost in this organization. I won't say it can't be restored at some point, I'll watch the new 2 months closely, but I have zero faith in anything being handled properly by either Shanahan or Treliving.

- Shanahan: still here because he's a Board-boy - should have been first to be canned.​

- Keefe: still here next season evidently because he's Shanny's boy and Shanny is completely incompetent and incapable of talent assessment; should have packed Shanny's bags and then his own and driven them both to Pearson.​

- Dubas: an idiot who messed up but he's the only one of the 3 Stooges that should still be here on merit.​

And now you hire a GM after the "search" that really wasn't a search because he's pretty well the only guy interviewed? One with a very questionable track record of trades and drafts and absolutely terrible contract-handling in both UFAs and own players? Oh, this should go famously with all the spots we need filled and two big stars that will bend him over a barrel as bad as Dubas was the first go-round with them.

This is an all-round circus and all of the rides and performers are broken down.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

but bro... HFLeafs basement dwellers dont like him :-(

(typing) "He's not dubas."

 

[hamzarocks]

Y

You just witnessed a rookie GM learn on the job and piss away our ELC years from generational talents.

The Leafs have never failed this bad in my 42 years. We just pissed away the best opportunity this franchise has seen in decades.

And you still won't eat your crow. LOL Dubas homers are a special kinda special. He just spit in your face and you're still licking his boots. You're in a cult my guy.

While I agree with parts of what you said

In no way shape or form are

Mitch Marner
Auston Matthews
William Nylander
John Tavares

Generational players

There are tons of similar players who have played and will continue to play (especially the for 16, 88, and 91, Matthews is more unique but still not a generational player)

We overhyped, overrated and overpaid these 4 guys which leads people to think they are much better than they really are.

Dubas believed to much into these 4 and they were definately not the guys to believe in

 

[weems]

Markstrom played historically bad.

Team underperformed

Coach seemed to sabotage them more than help

I still say with hand he was dealt last off-season, Gaudreau saying he wanted to stay, got offered the $$ he wanted and then still left....

Getting a great return for Tkachuk all things considered and then signing Kadri 7x7 which is pretty decent.

Just a crazy time and head scratcher.

If you look at the fancy stats it shows that Calgary was actually a really good team last year 5v5

 

[notbias]

For all the heat the Flames are taking, they actually had 1 more point than Florida (93-92) in the regular season. And that was with a coach issue and new players + goalie struggles. Florida is in the final and it’s being made to look like Calgary was a basement team.

I'm sure you'd keep the same opinion if it were the Leafs.

Treliving has been there 4 years longer than Dubas, and he has seen the 3rd round 0 times and missed the playoffs more than Dubas.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Tkachuk seems like he really enjoyed Treliving as a GM and referred to him as a "great guy" last week on the broadcast. Tkachuk and Matthews are buddies, hopefully this poses well for future negotiations.

 

[notbias]

Y

You just witnessed a rookie GM learn on the job and piss away our ELC years from generational talents.

The Leafs have never failed this bad in my 42 years. We just pissed away the best opportunity this franchise has seen in decades.

And you still won't eat your crow. LOL Dubas homers are a special kinda special. He just spit in your face and you're still licking his boots. You're in a cult my guy.

Dubas had ELCs from the big players? You are describing what Lou did.

 

[1specter]

Oh boy.

Are his hands going to be freer here with Shanahan calling the shots? I mean....unless he's into bondage along with hand tying, no point in him taking this job. lol

Calgary appears to have more restrictive owners and they forced Sutter as a coach plus they seemed to be cheaper in general. Treliving will have more at his disposal here, shouldn't really be restricted in any way with cap/$ spending, and I imagine if he wants to he'll be able to bring his own coach in seeing as Dubas was allowed to bring in Keefe.

Also I'm not sure why we're taking Siegel and Mirtle's word as gospel when it's clear that they have some strong biases with Kyle Dubas. Them along with SDPN seems to be brainwashing folks into believing that Shanahan is the GM.

 

[Mess]

Isn't that what people wanted from this team and structure? A team that plays defense first because that's how you win? Don't pinch, don't cheat and take care of the defensive end first. It seems like this team went through this same mentality, for better or worst.

How would you best describe the Florida Panthers system that nearly took Keefe and the Leafs out in 4 games and did take out the Canes in 4 and roared back against the President's trophy Bruins?

The NHL is very much a copycat league and both Florida and Vegas who are currently playing for the Stanley Cup will be used as reference points for systems and style of and player personnel comparisons on GMs making future decisions,

The biggest system change alone could come from becoming a dump and chase team from a puck possession team under a new GM.

 

[yubbers]

While I agree with parts of what you said

In no way shape or form are

Mitch Marner
Auston Matthews
William Nylander
John Tavares

Generational players

There are tons of similar players who have played and will continue to play (especially the for 16, 88, and 91, Matthews is more unique but still not a generational player)

We overhyped, overrated and overpaid these 4 guys which leads people to think they are much better than they really are.

Dubas believed to much into these 4 and they were definately not the guys to believe in

So we're gonna pay a non-generational talent the most money in the league? Seems like something a generational talent would get I hear what you're saying though

The participation trophy culture can't be undone sadly. We need a full reno.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I mean, if we're expecting Keefe to completely rebrand himself during the offseason I suppose that counts. But I'm not expecting that leopard to change his spots any more than any of our megamillionaire yahoos to change theirs. I think you're being way too easy on the players here by saying that Keefe teeing off was viewed unfavorably by Dubas. Marner probably cried, Keefe's coddling was expected up and down the leadership structure of this whole org. Shanny is still here, the important players are still here, a new GM and the coach yelling "PHEASANTS" is a new coat of paint and a ridiculous spoiler on the back, not a new car.

I don't know about you but I would pay good money to watch Keefe call these guys pheasants and plugs.

 

[notbias]

How would you best describe the Florida Panthers system that nearly took Keefe and the Leafs out in 4 games and did take out the Canes in 4 and roared back against the President's trophy Bruins?

The NHL is very much a copycat league and both Florida and Vegas who are currently playing for the Stanley Cup will be used as reference points for systems and style of and player personnel comparisons on GMs making future decisions,

The biggest system change alone could come from becoming a dump and chase team from a puck possession team under a new GM.

Their game appears to be run and gun, and then rely on your goalie.

Not sure I want to replicate that.

Vegas' strategy is cap circumvention, which I'd be okay with.

 

[yubbers]

Dubas had ELCs from the big players? You are describing what Lou did.

Do you guys still wanna play the Lou vs Dubas game? He did far better than Kyle on the island sans JT.

Are you guys just never gonna admit you got it wrong?

 

[Menzinger]

 

[notbias]

Do you guys still wanna play the Lou vs Dubas game? He did far better than Kyle on the island sans JT.

Are you guys just never gonna admit you got it wrong?

You just stated something that was clearly wrong to prove your point, I am trying to help you.

 

[yubbers]

You just stated something that was clearly wrong to prove your point, I am trying to help you.

So Kyle didn't have AM, Marner and Will on ELCs?

What was clearly wrong?

 

[Trapper]

I'm sure you'd keep the same opinion if it were the Leafs.

Treliving has been there 4 years longer than Dubas, and he has seen the 3rd round 0 times and missed the playoffs more than Dubas.

First of all, you should change your user name because you clearly are.

Second, I was only talking about the moves made last season.

If you are referring to the entire tenure of Treliving, then yes it was time to go. There is only so long you can stall or stagnate before, management, then coaching, then core needs adjusting/change. That’s just natural evolution.

Look at Carolina, stuck at the Conference finals. They might need change as well although it could be different from us based on where you are stuck.

 

[ACC1224]

Do you guys still wanna play the Lou vs Dubas game? He did far better than Kyle on the island sans JT.

Are you guys just never gonna admit you got it wrong?

 

[yubbers]

Gross looks like the only major move will be a new GM and probably Willy traded. Disgusting

Willy is a mercenary. He's gonna ask for 10 mil so just move him now.