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hotpaws said:
it was a 8 team trade list and the trade happened July 1st not mid season

we got Kap a1st and a 3rd, they got Kessel and a 2nd plus we retained for years

that's not what most people would consider a fair return but the main thing is to shift any blame from Dubas on to someone else
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I'm not shifting blame dude. It's a discussion on a trade. When contending teams have little to no cap space, they usually don't have room for an 8M player. When there's a limited number of teams that you can trade with because of a players limited NTC plus other teams cap situations. Your options are to take what you can get. Just like I said several times with the Marleau trade. When you only had one team that was willing to take on Marleau's contract, there's not much you can do. Now we're seeing it every season that assets are being attached to bad contracts on every team.

Do I think it's the best return for a player of Kessels calibre. Not really. But if that was literally the best offer that Dubas had received based on those limitations. I'm not gonna rip on the guy for taking what we could get to start a rebuild. I don't care who the GM was that made that trade. I would still say the same thing. Just like I've defended Tree over the Tkachuk trade several times since we hired him
 
notbias said:
This thread about Treliving has turned back into a bash Dubas thread because people can't defend Brad's track record... it is telling.

Call Dubas whatever you want, he has definitely failed here, but not one person has called Treliving a GM or even a better GM than Dubas and proven it... that is telling and quite concerning if you are Leafs fan (I know a lot of you aren't)
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Tre really doesn't have a track record here, and intelligent people are waiting to see what he does beyond a few quick and temporary roster fills and signing Matty.

The problem seems to be more the people who jump in and criticize a couple of minor signings for the sole purpose of saying 'Dubas was great'.

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens with Nylander, and what happens at the trade deadline, the playoffs, and even next summer.
 
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Jamason said:
Tre really doesn't have a track record here, and intelligent people are waiting to see what he does beyond a few quick and temporary roster fills and signing Matty.

The problem seems to be more the people who jump in and criticize a couple of minor signings for the sole purpose of saying 'Dubas was great'.

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens with Nylander, and what happens at the trade deadline, the playoffs, and even next summer.
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People can make educated guesses about what he will do based on track records and early trends that continue, like bringing on people for "snot" when our issue has not been "snot".

Temporary roster fills? He thought Reaves was a 3 year player and the same with Kampf.

The best players signed are 1 year deals.

It is so weird that people had preferences over who the GM should be since none of them had track records here, so many unintelligent people on this board, wouldn't be surprised if you fit in that category.

I always see you complaining about the Tavares contract, but you're fine hiring a man who has signed multiple contracts that are worse, it is really odd, his track record is very bad.

All we can do is hold out and hope he constructs a good team, but the early results are that he has made a few bad signings already and the mess he left in Calgary is scary, I think any Leafs fan should be worried.
 
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Jamason said:
Tre really doesn't have a track record here, and intelligent people are waiting to see what he does beyond a few quick and temporary roster fills and signing Matty.

The problem seems to be more the people who jump in and criticize a couple of minor signings for the sole purpose of saying 'Dubas was great'.

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens with Nylander, and what happens at the trade deadline, the playoffs, and even next summer.
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You can’t judge him fairly yet, but he made a bad first impression.

Those that say Dubas’ tenor with the Leafs was anything but a failure, are lying. His first year on the job set the franchise up for failure and he was too stubborn to change his vision, until it was too late.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
You can’t judge him fairly yet, but he made a bad first impression.

Those that say Dubas’ tenor with the Leafs was anything but a failure, are lying. His first year on the job set the franchise up for failure and he was too stubborn to change his vision, until it was too late.
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outside of reaves signing, its not as bad

klinberg : yes he was not looking good but the question is did he really played 1 healthy game this season considersting he had been injured in pre-season and similar injury came back and forced him to miss game and maybe end his season/carreer?

Kampf : its pretty easy to say its a bad signing but lets watch the reality, if leafs didn't signed him. who will be #1 c on pk/ or play in PK at C or go to the ice to keep a lead? Tavares? Domi? maybe resigning acciari who signed at 2M but between acciari and kampf, im taking Kampf all night long and its not even close. so to let go Kampf, you need an option to replace him and leafs didn't had that option.

1st impressiom is not great but not bad...
 
thusk said:
outside of reaves signing, its not as bad

klinberg : yes he was not looking good but the question is did he really played 1 healthy game this season considersting he had been injured in pre-season and similar injury came back and forced him to miss game and maybe end his season/carreer?

Kampf : its pretty easy to say its a bad signing but lets watch the reality, if leafs didn't signed him. who will be #1 c on pk/ or play in PK at C or go to the ice to keep a lead? Tavares? Domi? maybe resigning acciari who signed at 2M but between acciari and kampf, im taking Kampf all night long and its not even close. so to let go Kampf, you need an option to replace him and leafs didn't had that option.

1st impressiom is not great but not bad...
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I wasn’t impressed with him during his first press appearance.
 
ACC1224 said:
It's actions, not words.
Dubas was always very impressive when he spoke. That didn't go so well.
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I'd extend that to "It's actual results both regular season and playoff" that matter most, above both actions and words.

A GM can say a lot and it mean nothing, and they can make a lot of moves trades, signings etc that don't produce positive results.

There are probably less than 5 people on the entire planet Earth that believed the previous GM passed all tests. :wg:

Brad Treliving begins with a clean slate in terms of results so it will be interesting to see his end results, as now its just actions and words and a work in progress.
 
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thusk said:
ibdidn't blame Dubas for what hes done, he tried some different thing, some had been working, some was not... and at the end leafs didn't get result they was hoping for so they moved on and thats fine...

for BT
calgary line up when he started

cammaleri-Backlun-Hudler
stajan-Monahan-stempniak
glenncross-colborne-jones
byron-galiardi-bouma

gio-brodie
russel-wideman
butler-Smid

Ramo
berra

huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapanne
sharangovich-Kadri-zary
pospisil-Backlund-coleman
greer-dube-duehr

weagar-Andersson
hanifin-tanev
zadorov-desimone

markstrom

still a pretty good upgrade

whats everyone blaming BT is huberdeau but who in this world could predict a drop of 209% from huberdeau... he probably expecting the same kind of impact than gaudreau like everyone of us. yes he overpaid player but seriously i giving a choice exemple between playing exemple in florida, dallas, california or any south team or any big market like toronto mtl, Ny, det, bos, Chi... or playing in Calgary at same salart, who will choose calgary? nobody

even Kadri cancelled a leafs trade because he didn't want to go there... so outside of money, wich tools did he had to sign or keep player?!?!
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Everyone loved the Huberdeau deal at the time, lemonade out of lemons. It's been a disaster, but that's on him, who saw this coming? Exactly nobody.
 
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thusk said:
outside of reaves signing, its not as bad

klinberg : yes he was not looking good but the question is did he really played 1 healthy game this season considersting he had been injured in pre-season and similar injury came back and forced him to miss game and maybe end his season/carreer?

Kampf : its pretty easy to say its a bad signing but lets watch the reality, if leafs didn't signed him. who will be #1 c on pk/ or play in PK at C or go to the ice to keep a lead? Tavares? Domi? maybe resigning acciari who signed at 2M but between acciari and kampf, im taking Kampf all night long and its not even close. so to let go Kampf, you need an option to replace him and leafs didn't had that option.

1st impressiom is not great but not bad...
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Matthews can be our 1C on PK... not sure about the stats, but he has looked like our most effective PKer this year.

He + Marner would be a nightmare for other teams, their stick work is insane, they anticipate plays well, and the offensive power is there to make everyone play a little bit tentative.

Also, they could have just signed a cheaper bland 4C if they wanted, Kampf hasn't shown he is above the average 4C.

Kampf is better than has shown, but it's also looked like a bad signing so far based on term/price.

Good: Domi

Decent: Bertuzzi, Gregor, Holmberg, Samsanov, Kampf

Bad: Reaves, Klingberg

Things will likely change as I think at least Samsanov and Bertuzzi will move into the "good" column.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
I'm not shifting blame dude. It's a discussion on a trade. When contending teams have little to no cap space, they usually don't have room for an 8M player. When there's a limited number of teams that you can trade with because of a players limited NTC plus other teams cap situations. Your options are to take what you can get. Just like I said several times with the Marleau trade. When you only had one team that was willing to take on Marleau's contract, there's not much you can do. Now we're seeing it every season that assets are being attached to bad contracts on every team.

Do I think it's the best return for a player of Kessels calibre. Not really. But if that was literally the best offer that Dubas had received based on those limitations. I'm not gonna rip on the guy for taking what we could get to start a rebuild. I don't care who the GM was that made that trade. I would still say the same thing. Just like I've defended Tree over the Tkachuk trade several times since we hired him
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Teams can always open up cap space for a player they covet and there was no reason Toronto couldn't take salaries back to make it work .

Obviously that was the best offer Dubas got at that time , that's why he took it but that doesn't mean another GM couldn't have made a better deal or had he waited he wouldn't have been offered more .

The Leafs tried to trade both Kessel and Dion that offseason but the offers were so bad for Dion they held off on trading him and then Lou dealt the slug without damage . They didn't have to deal Kessel July 1st , there was no rush , they had all summer and even if we kept him to start the season we were crap with him anyway .

Marleau was another f*** up , there's no way Dubas should have been dictated to like that and if he had any foresight he wouldn't have backed himself into a corner and even if he did he could have moved Mango/Kap for assets as well as keeping our 1st and tell Marleau to go f*** himself and play out the year with us or retire .

anyway i don't want to argue with you since i respect you as poster even if we don't agree much . it's just i've had enough of the Dubas defense team (not saying you are) who all of sudden have become very critical if our present GM makes even the smallest of gaffs , hell they'll even invent shit to bitch about , imagine going on and on over Lafferty who did nothing in his time here , lol
 
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DarkKnight said:
Such garbage lol. Waste of time.
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Dubas has put together great teams on paper, but no one seems to care, the facts are he failed.

Why do you defend that trade so hard?

The same people scream results and then use the expected value for a trade... it is comical how dumb it is.

The original trade for Huberdeau looked good for Calgary, but now they have an 8 year cap dump and a 2nd/3rd liner as the main piece for a top 5 winger... how is this being excused?

"waste of time"... responds... could have just explained why you defend that trade so much, I am sure it is a simple explanation and super obvious since you are always defending it.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
True. But he didn’t exude confidence. If there were options I doubt he would’ve got the job.
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No idea but I think he has a pretty good reputation around the league.

I didn't watch him speak, I rarely watch those things, don't find them all that interesting.
 
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