Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hotpaws]

Sounds familiar. Those types are typically the most insecure.

Dubie worked hard on trying to sound intelligent , however i lost count how many times he had to stop mid sentence to try to figure out where he was going with his ramblings .

as opposed to Burke who didn't give damn how he sounded because if anyone ever doubted how intelligent he was he'd just smack them upside the head with his Harvard Law degree

at the end of the day the Harvard grad and the poser from Brock both ended up failing and getting kicked to the curb

 

[ACC1224]

Dubie worked hard on trying to sound intelligent , however i lost count how many times he had to stop mid sentence to try to figure out where he was going with his ramblings .

as opposed to Burke who didn't give damn how he sounded because if anyone ever doubted how intelligent he was he'd just smack you upside the head with his Harvard Law degree

at the end of the day the Harvard grad and the poser from Brock both ended up failing and getting kicked to the curb

Yep both failed but least Burke was likeable and entertaining.

 

[hotpaws]

Yep both failed but least Burke was likeable and entertaining.

I wanted Burke fired the second i heard he dealt the picks for Kessel but he was not only entertaining but also very creative .

probably my second favorite thread next to ''Dubas passing the test'' was when he blamed one of our cliff dives on the trade deadline and that he was thinking about creating our own t/d date , i still get a laugh over how his followers took him seriously and flamed anyone who dared say he was full of shit and deflecting blame away from himself

 

[thusk]

Matthews can be our 1C on PK... not sure about the stats, but he has looked like our most effective PKer this year.

He + Marner would be a nightmare for other teams, their stick work is insane, they anticipate plays well, and the offensive power is there to make everyone play a little bit tentative.

Also, they could have just signed a cheaper bland 4C if they wanted, Kampf hasn't shown he is above the average 4C.

Kampf is better than has shown, but it's also looked like a bad signing so far based on term/price.

Good: Domi

Decent: Bertuzzi, Gregor, Holmberg, Samsanov, Kampf

Bad: Reaves, Klingberg

Things will likely change as I think at least Samsanov and Bertuzzi will move into the "good" column.

so youre playing matthews 2 min on every PK and last 3 minute of the game when leafs need to protect a lead?

easy to say a cheaper C but need a cheaper C who can do the same thing, only Colton Sissons played more penalty kill time since 2022 and he win 2,8+ to do the same exact thing than Kampf. we can say anything about kampf but hes one of best defensive C in the NHL

 

[kb]

Everyone loved the Huberdeau deal at the time, lemonade out of lemons. It's been a disaster, but that's on him, who saw this coming? Exactly nobody.

I dunno......was it a last minute thing with Tkachuk wanting out? Cause if not, he had lot's of time to shop him for better deals.

 

[GoonieFace]

I dunno......was it a last minute thing with Tkachuk wanting out? Cause if not, he had lot's of time to shop him for better deals.

If I’m not mistaken Tkachuk basically said trade me to Florida or I walk for nothing. Seems like he was handcuffed, but still extracted some value.

 

[ACC1224]

I wanted Burke fired the second i heard he dealt the picks for Kessel but he was not only entertaining but also very creative .

probably my second favorite thread next to ''Dubas passing the test'' was when he blamed one of our cliff dives on the trade deadline and that he was thinking about creating our own t/d date , i still get a laugh over how he followers took him seriously and flamed anyone who dared say he was full of shit and deflecting blame away from himself

I was a fan, still am but yeah he said some pretty whacked out things. That was the entertaining part, he cracked me up.

His following was no where close to the Dubas cult though, they are something else.

 

[notbias]

If I’m not mistaken Tkachuk basically said trade me to Florida or I walk for nothing. Seems like he was handcuffed, but still extracted some value.

The return is now negative value... I think that's the issue.

Once again... a lot of people thought it was a good return... that turns out not to be the case and now those contracts have negative value...

So they lost a top 5 winger and gained cap dumps.

Walking for nothing would have helped them more.

 

[thusk]

I dunno......was it a last minute thing with Tkachuk wanting out? Cause if not, he had lot's of time to shop him for better deals.

they're only few team Tkachuk was agree to be trade... stl and carolina i think was amount team he was ready to move

stl was an other team florida received an offer and it was tarasenko, scandella and a high pick... pretty easy to understand why he chose florida offer

 

[KPower]

I was far from a Dubas guy but was better at Evaluating talent than Brad.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Teams can always open up cap space for a player they covet and there was no reason Toronto couldn't take salaries back to make it work .

Obviously that was the best offer Dubas got at that time , that's why he took it but that doesn't mean another GM couldn't have made a better deal or had he waited he wouldn't have been offered more .

The Leafs tried to trade both Kessel and Dion that offseason but the offers were so bad for Dion they held off on trading him and then Lou dealt the slug without damage . They didn't have to deal Kessel July 1st , there was no rush , they had all summer and even if we kept him to start the season we were crap with him anyway .

Marleau was another f*** up , there's no way Dubas should have been dictated to like that and if he had any foresight he wouldn't have backed himself into a corner and even if he did he could have moved Mango/Kap for assets as well as keeping our 1st and tell Marleau to go f*** himself and play out the year with us or retire .

anyway i don't want to argue with you since i respect you as poster even if we don't agree much . it's just i've had enough of the Dubas defense team (not saying you are) who all of sudden have become very critical if our present GM makes even the smallest of gaffs , hell they'll even invent shit to bitch about , imagine going on and on over Lafferty who did nothing in his time here , lol

We may never know if someone would've come in with a better offer over the summer. My guess is teams would've wanted the Kessel situation settled early in the summer so they could move on and and get started on filling out their roster in Free agency and not miss out on filling holes in their lineups. He was also coming off a very down year.

It could've also been bad if we ended up not moving him by the start of the season too as having him in the lineup could've been the difference between us getting Auston Matthews or ending with Laine, Dubois or even out of the top 5 depending on the lottery.

The Marleau situation I think was lose/lose regardless of what we did. Trading him allowed us to keep Johnsson and Kapanen as well as not having him waste a roster spot on a guy that clearly couldn't play anymore. If we had kept him, we would've probably lost some of those guys and we would be dragging Marleau up and down the ice and basically had 6.25M in deadp cap space, making us a less competitive team. It becomes a pick your poison situation.

 

[kevsh]

If BT can keep Nylander below or around $10 mil and JT comes off the books and/or re-signed at 1/2 price the Leafs the Leafs could enter the Treliving era with only 2 X double digit forwards as the Cap continues to rise by $4 to $5 mil per season.

Even if Nylander comes in (just) under $10M (he won't btw) that's still effectively 3 highly priced forwards, two of them on the wing and you still to fill out the 2C spot, a top 4 d-man, etc.

And I think people who claim the Leafs cap woes will magically disappear when the cap goes up a few million or more don't understand cap economics. The simple version: When the cap goes up, so do player salaries.

The good news for the Leafs is that when that happens all their highest-paid players will already be locked in. The bad news is they will have plenty of roster spots to fill out and that cap space will disappear quickly to now more-expensive players.

So I'll repeat for the millionth time: The Leafs cannot build a Cup-winning team with 3 forwards making >$10M*. They haven't until now and they won't when the cap goes up.

* Willie is simply not signing for less than 10, which means they're going to have 3 forwards making a combined $35M+ compared to 4 making $40M now. That means they have to find a Tavares replacement for under $5M just to be where they are now.

 

[Mess]

Dubas has put together great teams on paper, but no one seems to care, the facts are he failed.

Dubas inherited a team (that included Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly etc) that finished with 49 wins 105 points and scored 277 GF and 232 GA and lost in 7 games in Round #1 with 3 wins.

5 years later he finished with 50 wins (+1 win) & 111 points (+6 points) with 279 GF (+2 GF) & 222 GA (-10 GA) and lost in 11 games with playoff 5 wins

So it took Dubas 5 years to win 5 playoff games max in a single season, with a lot of embarrassing losses as favourites year after year.

Pretty low bar where Treliving has 5 years to try and win 6 playoff games in a single season to achieve more then the previous GM limited accomplishments while also inheriting Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly with the job. You have to love those odds as a Leafs fan to believe our new GM can achieve more with such a low bar set as the mark to beat.

PS. The recent expansion Vegas Knights in their year 5 won the Stanley Cup and even 2nd year expansion Seattle Krakken in only year 2 lost in game #7 of round #2 outperforming Dubas entire Leafs tenure.

 

[GoonieFace]

Dubas inherited a team (that included Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly etc) that finished with 49 wins 105 points and scored 277 GF and 232 GA and lost in 7 games in Round #1 with 3 wins.

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5 years later he finished with 50 wins (+1 win) & 111 points (+6 points) with 279 GF (+2 GF) & 222 GA (-10 GA) and lost in 11 games with playoff 5 wins

So it took Dubas 5 years to win 5 playoff games max in a single season, with a lot of embarrassing losses as favourites year after year.

Pretty low bar where Treliving has 5 years to try and win 6 playoff games in a single season to achieve more then the previous GM limited accomplishments while also inheriting Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly with the job. You have to love those odds as a Leafs fan to believe our new GM can achieve more with such a low bar set as the mark to beat.

PS. The recent expansion Vegas Knights in their year 5 won the Stanley Cup and even 2nd year expansion Seattle Krakken in only year 2 lost in game #7 of round #2 outperforming Dubas entire Leafs tenure.

It’s all Bettmans fault

 

[notbias]

Dubas inherited a team (that included Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly etc) that finished with 49 wins 105 points and scored 277 GF and 232 GA and lost in 7 games in Round #1 with 3 wins.

View attachment 772253

5 years later he finished with 50 wins (+1 win) & 111 points (+6 points) with 279 GF (+2 GF) & 222 GA (-10 GA) and lost in 11 games with playoff 5 wins

So it took Dubas 5 years to win 5 playoff games max in a single season, with a lot of embarrassing losses as favourites year after year.

Pretty low bar where Treliving has 5 years to try and win 6 playoff games in a single season to achieve more then the previous GM limited accomplishments while also inheriting Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly with the job. You have to love those odds as a Leafs fan to believe our new GM can achieve more with such a low bar set as the mark to beat.

PS. The recent expansion Vegas Knights in their year 5 won the Stanley Cup and even 2nd year expansion Seattle Krakken in only year 2 lost in game #7 of round #2 outperforming Dubas entire Leafs tenure.

What was the point of this post? Genuinely curious.

This has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but thanks for the effort.

 

[notbias]

If BT can keep Nylander below or around $10 mil and JT comes off the books and/or re-signed at 1/2 price the Leafs the Leafs could enter the Treliving era with only 2 X double digit forwards as the Cap continues to rise by $4 to $5 mil per season. There will be a real opponitunity in time to correct this IF BT makes the right moves.

The same things that are wrong with this team still reside from past mistakes of tooo much $$$ in tooo few players with core 4 eating up 1/2 your cap and weak coach, and a team built from the forwards in instead of from the "Goalie out, through strong defense, and a prospect pool abused where picks were dealt away like candy often to correct self inflicted mistakes..

BT has inherited this problem so the results remain the same until he has time to address and fix them. IMHO

Insanity is the definition of doing the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results.

It is funny you assume the cap is rising while also criticizing the contracts of players signed when everyone assumed the cap was rising.

You are a lot like Dubas.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Even if Nylander comes in (just) under $10M (he won't btw) that's still effectively 3 highly priced forwards, two of them on the wing and you still to fill out the 2C spot, a top 4 d-man, etc.

And I think people who claim the Leafs cap woes will magically disappear when the cap goes up a few million or more don't understand cap economics. The simple version: When the cap goes up, so do player salaries.

The good news for the Leafs is that when that happens all their highest-paid players will already be locked in. The bad news is they will have plenty of roster spots to fill out and that cap space will disappear quickly to now more-expensive players.

So I'll repeat for the millionth time: The Leafs cannot build a Cup-winning team with 3 forwards making >$10M*. They haven't until now and they won't when the cap goes up.

* Willie is simply not signing for less than 10, which means they're going to have 3 forwards making a combined $35M+ compared to 4 making $40M now. That means they have to find a Tavares replacement for under $5M just to be where they are now.

Moving Willy to C solves both.

 

[notbias]

Even if Nylander comes in (just) under $10M (he won't btw) that's still effectively 3 highly priced forwards, two of them on the wing and you still to fill out the 2C spot, a top 4 d-man, etc.

And I think people who claim the Leafs cap woes will magically disappear when the cap goes up a few million or more don't understand cap economics. The simple version: When the cap goes up, so do player salaries.

The good news for the Leafs is that when that happens all their highest-paid players will already be locked in. The bad news is they will have plenty of roster spots to fill out and that cap space will disappear quickly to now more-expensive players.

So I'll repeat for the millionth time: The Leafs cannot build a Cup-winning team with 3 forwards making >$10M*. They haven't until now and they won't when the cap goes up.

* Willie is simply not signing for less than 10, which means they're going to have 3 forwards making a combined $35M+ compared to 4 making $40M now. That means they have to find a Tavares replacement for under $5M just to be where they are now.

"The Leafs cannot build a Cup-winning team with 3 forwards making >$10M*."

"And I think people who claim the Leafs cap woes will magically disappear when the cap goes up a few million or more don't understand cap economics. The simple version: When the cap goes up, so do player salaries."

These two points make no sense together.

Cap percentage is the only thing that matters.

If the cap increases, players under contract don't get an increase too, so the cap increase will help, not hurt.

If Nylander signs a contract worth 10 million (11.5% I think), if the cap raises to 100 million, it is now 10%, that is all that matters.

Anyone using hard numbers for how much a player should sign for doesn't really have a clue... I'd be curious the furthest a team went with 3 players making the equivalent of what 10 million per year would be.

I know last year Florida went to the finals with 10 + 9.5 + 6.5 + 5.5 in dead cap, so at least one team has gone to the finals with the cap hit percentage you claim can't work.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

You could put a chimp in the GM role and this team would make the playoffs. Dubas wasn’t some genius like some claim here that built these amazing teams. All the pieces for making the playoffs consistently were already here. His job was to sign those pieces to team friendly deals and to get them the support they needed to go deep in the playoffs. Both of which he absolutely sucked ass at and failed like a loser. You can see just how good of a GM he is by looking at his .500 Pens. He isn’t anything special.

That said, I don’t like pizza boy either. Nepotism and desperation got him this job. Too early to say if he sucks or not just yet. I mean, we gave dubas 5 years and all the cap and picks one could ask for and people still defend him today.

 

[Mess]

If you're a betting man and a long suffering Leafs fan you have to LOVE the odds that Treliving outperforms Dubas results.

It took a clueless Dubas who inherited a 105 point All-time record setting team that lost in 7 games in round #1, & over the course of the next 5 seasons to win 5 playoff games max in any season.

So over the course of the next 5 seasons if a Treliving lead team wins 6 playoff games in any season, he has already exceeded the previous high water mark of playoff success of his predecessor.

 

[ACC1224]

You could put a chimp in the GM role and this team would make the playoffs. Dubas wasn’t some genius like some claim here that built these amazing teams. All the pieces for making the playoffs consistently were already here. His job was to sign those pieces to team friendly deals and to get them the support they needed to go deep in the playoffs. Both of which he absolutely sucked ass at and failed like a loser. You can see just how good of a GM he is by looking at his .500 Pens. He isn’t anything special.

That said, I don’t like pizza boy either. Nepotism and desperation got him this job. Too early to say if he sucks or not just yet. I mean, we gave dubas 5 years and all the cap and picks one could ask for and people still defend him today.

I'm undecided about Treliving, but the guy has been in the league for a long time, he didn't need daddy to get him a job.

 

[Peasy]

I'm undecided about Treliving, but the guy has been in the league for a long time, he didn't need daddy to get him a job.

He also played in the WHL, ECHL and a bit in the AHL. Hes been in the game for a long time.

 

[The Masters]

feel bad for klinberg but he should have never been signed here

tre gotta fix

 

[Menzinger]

The return is now negative value... I think that's the issue.

Once again... a lot of people thought it was a good return... that turns out not to be the case and now those contracts have negative value...

So they lost a top 5 winger and gained cap dumps.

Walking for nothing would have helped them more.

It's also worth noting that Tre put himself in that position by bridging Tkachuk in the first place....

Tkachuk was also an rfa at the time of the trade, he could have been moved to any team.

 

[ACC1224]

It's also worth noting that Tre put himself in that position by bridging Tkachuk in the first place....

Tkachuk was also an rfa at the time of the trade, he could have been moved to any team.

Technically yes but not really.