Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hamzarocks]

Now that Matthews is signed he's done everything he NEEDED to do.

Needed toughness? Got it done

Needed scoring depth got it done

Needed goaltending depth got it done

Needed to sign Matthews got it done.

All that's left is Nylander and while that would be nice to get done you can go into the season With him.

Losing nylander for nothing will kill this team further. Need him signed ASAP or moved if we cant fit him in

Also we need to upgrade on Brodie/Lilijgren on the defense with a physcial D who can play with Rielly

Schenn going, we need a replacement. Acciari type 4th liner is also needed as our bottom 6 needs more grit

He can add the last 2 pieces at the deadline but Nylander decision needs to be made prior to camp

Also treliving like Dubas will be judged mainly and rightly on playoffs. If we do good he gets credit. If we get out r1 he will have failed.

To many offseason hype threads the last 5 years to know how the pueces brought in work and if they work when it matters

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Losing nylander for nothing will kill this team further. Need him signed ASAP or moved if we cant fit him in

Also we need to upgrade on Brodie/Lilijgren on the defense with a physcial D who can play with Rielly

Schenn going, we need a replacement. Acciari type 4th liner is also needed as our bottom 6 needs more grit

He can add the last 2 pieces at the deadline but Nylander decision needs to be made prior to camp

Also treliving like Dubas will be judged mainly and rightly on playoffs. If we do good he gets credit. If we get out r1 he will have failed.

To many offseason hype threads the last 5 years to know how the pueces brought in work and if they work when it matters

You only trade Nylander if it makes sense, if all you can get is magic beans you don't trade Nylander

 

[hamzarocks]

You only trade Nylander if it makes sense, if all you can get is magic beans you don't trade Nylander

Magic beans are better than 1st round exit + nylander walking

Leafs lost:

Bozak, JVR, Komo, Gardiner, Andersen, Hyman, and Bunting since 2018 with 0 returns and 1 playoff win

The poor asset management has resulted in us having a non existent prospect pool (bottom 7-10 in the league) with little high end future talent who can replace a Marner/Nylander or supplment a Rielly.

If leafs lose in the 1st again its all moot, as MLSE should step in and fire Shanny+Treliving right away and a credible GM/President can decide how to retool the team and build around 13.25M man.

Treliving should/will be judged harsher than Dubas. He has to deliver right away and save his and Shanny's declining reputations

 

[kevsh]

Putting aside the Matthews contract and Nylander situation, what I see is the formula isn't changing under Treliving.

Keep the core intact, surround them with whatever cheap talent/reclamation projects they can pick up in free agency every summer and pray they get some lucky bounces and win it all. Rinse and repeat.

After all the previous failure (and lack of acceptance that something major had to change) my anticipation going into last season was very low. This year even less.

It's not all (or even much of it) on Treliving as he can only work with the hand he's been dealt, but I am confident it's the MLSE vision for this team and he's just the guy that works out the details.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Putting aside the Matthews contract and Nylander situation, what I see is the formula isn't changing under Treliving.

Keep the core intact, surround them with whatever cheap talent/reclamation projects they can pick up in free agency every summer and pray they get some lucky bounces and win it all. Rinse and repeat.

After all the previous failure (and lack of acceptance that something major had to change) my anticipation going into last season was very low. This year even less.

It's not all (or even much of it) on Treliving as he can only work with the hand he's been dealt, but I am confident it's the MLSE vision for this team and he's just the guy that works out the details.

I'm not sure the likes of Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg should be considered cheap talent.

Those guys are higher end depth pieces

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Magic beans are better than 1st round exit + nylander walking

Leafs lost:

Bozak, JVR, Komo, Gardiner, Andersen, Hyman, and Bunting since 2018 with 0 returns and 1 playoff win

The poor asset management has resulted in us having a non existent prospect pool (bottom 7-10 in the league) with little high end future talent who can replace a Marner/Nylander or supplment a Rielly.

If leafs lose in the 1st again its all moot, as MLSE should step in and fire Shanny+Treliving right away and a credible GM/President can decide how to retool the team and build around 13.25M man.

Treliving should/will be judged harsher than Dubas. He has to deliver right away and save his and Shanny's declining reputations

Why should he be judged harsher than Dubas?

Dubas was GM for 5 years, Treliving has been here 10 weeks.

Let's give it some time.

 

[hamzarocks]

Why should he be judged Ha4sher than Dubas?

Dubas was GM for 5 years, Treliving has been here 10 weeks.

Let's give it some time.

This is the peak contention winow (next year really). 2024-2025 if Nylander is retained we will have over 50% of yhe 87.5M cap on the core 4 again meaning that should this 1 year UFA deal approach fail, we have to do it again with less cap overall available

Treliving wasnt brought in based on his actions to retool or rebuild. This year is the biggest one for him

He is here for a 2-3 year window where a cup has to come.

The pressure is high on him as his previous GM tenure ended in disaster and there is belief he is not qualified to be the GM to push this team through

He has made some good signings for next year, and he knows that his tenure is 1 year at a time. He will likely reassess Defense and grit as the year goes on.

Hes like Tampa's GM who came into replace Stevie Y and get them over the hump, except we are a lot further back of winning the cup then 2018-2019 Tampa had been.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Now that Matthews is signed he's done everything he NEEDED to do.

Needed toughness? Got it done

Needed scoring depth got it done

Needed goaltending depth got it done

Needed to sign Matthews got it done.

All that's left is Nylander and while that would be nice to get done you can go into the season With him.

You're forgetting something. He still needs to get us under the cap. That's either going to be trading Nylander or trading Brodie. If we trade Brodie, there's a good chance that our defense will be worse going into this season

 

[seventieslord]

Magic beans are better than 1st round exit + nylander walking

Leafs lost:

Bozak, JVR, Komo, Gardiner, Andersen, Hyman, and Bunting since 2018 with 0 returns and 1 playoff win

The poor asset management has resulted in us having a non existent prospect pool (bottom 7-10 in the league) with little high end future talent who can replace a Marner/Nylander or supplment a Rielly.

If leafs lose in the 1st again its all moot, as MLSE should step in and fire Shanny+Treliving right away and a credible GM/President can decide how to retool the team and build around 13.25M man.

Treliving should/will be judged harsher than Dubas. He has to deliver right away and save his and Shanny's declining reputations

Which of these players were we supposed to get a return for?

 

[DarkKnight]

I actually don’t even access the GM, expect he wasn’t able to move Matthews agent off their high dollar low years stance. It’s either agree or what really, you’re going to trade him? I learned nothing about the GM here, but just further confirmation of Matthews.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Which of these players were we supposed to get a return for?

I’d argue Bozak and JVR should’ve been dealt at the 2018 deadline despite the Leafs jockeying for playoff position. Fact of the matter was the Leafs weren’t winning anything with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander being sophomores alongside other young guys like Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Dermott, Rielly, and Johnson.

Everyone else on that list, Komarov, Hyman, Andersen, Gardiner, and Bunting all rightfully stayed.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You're forgetting something. He still needs to get us under the cap. That's either going to be trading Nylander or trading Brodie. If we trade Brodie, there's a good chance that our defense will be worse going into this season

Or not trading anybody and sending down Robertson, Holmberg Jones and Gambell which is more likely.

Or sending down maybe 2 of those guys and waiving Lafferty, also more likely.

OR MAYBE bringing in a guy like Tatar and trading Jarnkrok.

Regardless of which path is taken they don't need to trade Brodie or Nylander

 

[seventieslord]

I’d argue Bozak and JVR should’ve been dealt at the 2018 deadline despite the Leafs jockeying for playoff position. Fact of the matter was the Leafs weren’t winning anything with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander being sophomores alongside other young guys like Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Dermott, Rielly, and Johnson.

Everyone else on that list, Komarov, Hyman, Andersen, Gardiner, and Bunting all rightfully stayed.

That's just not something that teams comfortably in a playoff spot ever do.

 

[kevsh]

I'm not sure the likes of Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg should be considered cheap talent.

Those guys are higher end depth pieces

That's fair, but they are the exception rather than the norm.

And yes, I actually like all 3 of those signings given the circumstances and what they potentially bring, but even with these guys I'm not any more excited about this team's odds of going deep in the playoffs.

Like I said previously about the difference between the Buds and the Bolts: For Tampa, success didn't come from just bringing in the right depth guys to complement the stars, the stars realized they had to change their way of playing as well. The Leafs haven't learned that lesson yet.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That's just not something that teams comfortably in a playoff spot ever do.

Don't you know you are on Hockeysfuture? People don't care about the present here they want to be in a state of constant rebuild

 

[Nineteen67]

That's just not something that teams comfortably in a playoff spot ever do.

It was probably the best thing to do though

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That's fair, but they are the exception rather than the norm.

And yes, I actually like all 3 of those signings given the circumstances and what they potentially bring, but even with these guys I'm not any more excited about this team's odds of going deep in the playoffs.

Like I said previously about the difference between the Buds and the Bolts: For Tampa, success didn't come from just bringing in the right depth guys to complement the stars, the stars realized they had to change their way of playing as well. The Leafs haven't learned that lesson yet.

That's the thing they aren't really the exception teams do it all the time.

Case in point

Hossa in Chicago,

Hossa in Detroit,

Hossa in Pittsburgh,

Geruin in Pittsburgh,

Selanne and Kariya in Colorado.

Hull and Robitale in Detroit

Duchene in Dallas.

It happens all the time we just think It's other than the trade for ROR Dubas REFUSED to bring in a legitimate support scorer.

He brought in guys he hoped would work, and in some cases like Bunting they did.

But prior to ROR he REFUSED to bring in legitimate support scorers to help the core.

 

[seventieslord]

It was probably the best thing to do tho

The 15 teams who made the playoffs, but didn't win the cup, could say the same thing about their own trade deadline every season. I don't see how this is relevant.

 

[Nineteen67]

The 15 teams who made the playoffs, but didn't win the cup, could say the same thing about their own trade deadline every season. I don't see how this is relevant.

They were in a rebuild and need resources. I guess it’s all moot once Dubas started his apprenticeship and set it all back 6 yrs.

I mean theyre probably still better off trading Willy at the TDL if he’s not signing.

 

[francis246]

They were in a rebuild and need resources. I guess it’s all moot once Dubas started his apprenticeship and set it all back 6 yrs.

I mean theyre probably still better off trading Willy at the TDL if he’s not signing.

I think the only problem is, how much during that 6 years was Dubas’ ideas or suggestions to change the core shut down? Until we get a tell all from both sides, I’m not letting Shanny off the hook. Then the rumour that Shanny called each of the core four to tell them they weren’t getting traded. It sounds like our president was and has been the most attached to the core. He also gave Dubas the go ahead to sign those post ELC contracts. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that the management group wanted to make changes after the Montreal series or first Tampa series and Shanny said no stick to the plan.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think the only problem is, how much during that 6 years was Dubas’ ideas or suggestions to change the core shut down? Until we get a tell all from both sides, I’m not letting Shanny off the hook. Then the rumour that Shanny called each of the core four to tell them they weren’t getting traded. It sounds like our president was and has been the most attached to the core. He also gave Dubas the go ahead to sign those post ELC contracts. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that the management group wanted to make changes after the Montreal series or first Tampa series and Shanny said no stick to the plan.

And jumping the gun with the Tavares signing

 

[francis246]

And jumping the gun with the Tavares signing

Though I don’t hate the Tavares signing. I think signing a core forward was going to happen anyways. They tried to get Stamkos the year before. Think that was more of the board pushing for a marquee signing more than anything.

 

[Uncle]

Play the season out with nylander, his demands will be too much to re-sign but thats the way it goes.

 

[34]

Getting Nylander signed is critical for the team. He does not get enough credit for how good he is.

 

[Racer88]

Now that Matthews is signed he's done everything he NEEDED to do.

Needed toughness? Got it done

Needed scoring depth got it done

Needed goaltending depth got it done

Needed to sign Matthews got it done.

All that's left is Nylander and while that would be nice to get done you can go into the season With him.

We had Matthews last season…..didn’t get it done
We had the same goaltending last year….couldn’t get it done
Expect the same thing as last year