Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notbias]

Dubas was and still is grade A trash who ruined the Leafs. His fans can go on the pens board. It pisses me off when people talk about dubas like he helped the leafs while he continuously continued to screw the leafs.

Tre's done a lot more than Dubas has ever done for this team in just a few months

I'll stay here, I cheer for the Leafs, thanks.

Tre hasn't done anything to help the Leafs yet, the games have not been played. His off-season has been a mixed bag.

We are about to run 11-7 to start the season, and I feel it will be more well recieved.

But you mischaracterizing the Leafs saying they were stagnant, it is factually wrong.

Lou apparently left the Leafs on an upward trend and so did Dubas.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'll stay here, I cheer for the Leafs, thanks.

Tre hasn't done anything to help the Leafs yet, the games have not been played. His off-season has been a mixed bag.

We are about to run 11-7 to start the season, and I feel it will be more well recieved.

But you mischaracterizing the Leafs saying they were stagnant, it is factually wrong.

Lou apparently left the Leafs on an upward trend and so did Dubas.

The whole rason Leafs are in teh mess is because of dubas. he is the one that overpaid, threw away picks like halloween candies and had nothing to show for it.

This is hockey, you expect tre to clean out the mess in a matter of months that has been accumulating for the entire duraiton of dubas' years here? lol okay

 

[notbias]

The whole rason Leafs are in teh mess is because of dubas. he is the one that overpaid, threw away picks like halloween candies and had nothing to show for it.

This is hockey, you expect tre to clean out the mess in a matter of months that has been accumulating for the entire duraiton of dubas' years here? lol okay

Didn't Tre just overpay Matthews by a lot? I remember you whining in another thread too.

Every single one of Tre's signings that are longer than a year so far are overpayments.

 

[PromisedLand]

Didn't Tre just overpay Matthews by a lot? I remember you whining in another thread too.

Every single one of Tre's signings that are longer than a year so far are overpayments.

RFA signing when team has full control; Vs UFA signging when team has zero control especially when grade A trash walked both matthews and marner to UFA with full NMC/NTC thats your comparison?

LMAO.

I just saw who am debating with. I am not having a debate with you. because contrary to your name you are nothing but full of "bias". Good bye

 

[WillyC]

Brad did say… it was Auston who got the deal done.

He must feel a ton of relief getting AM34 signed.

 

[ACC1224]

If they go down that path it better be for a #1

I think Nylander could flirt with 50 goals

I’d be very hesitant to move him

I would expect it to be for a very good, top pairing player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tre got dealt a bad hand to begin with.

Lets compare the situations

When dubas got the GM position on the silver latter -> team was on the rise, the core were RFAs (i.e. team had FULL CONTROL over the contract). Any threats of offersheets would have resulted in at minimum 4 first round picks for Marner or Matthews. Dubas dropped the ball multiple times with his fixation with players like malgin/petan/etc.; galaxy braining simple tasks, and screwing the Leafs by walking the players to UFA

When Tre was hired as a GM; team had been a stagnant team with similar results; Nylander and Matthews are a pending UFAs simply put you either sign them or risk losing them for nothing especially in the case of Matthews and Marner b/c they have full NMCs/NTCs. Coach has 1 yr leaft on his contract. and team is fully up to the cap due to significant incompetence of the prior GM

More accurately...

When Dubas took over, the team was set up for a drop off from their inflated 105 points, he had 0-1 years to re-sign all of the core RFAs that had been mistreated to increases totaling tens of millions of dollars, he had a depleted and unreplenished prospect pool, and had multiple expensive cap anchors on the team. And there was an impending global pandemic that would unexpectedly stagnate the cap. And for the record, a 5 x 10.5m offer sheet wouldn't have been four 1st round picks; not that that's an adequate return for two of the best players of the cap era anyway.

When Treliving took over, the team was set up to maintain the consistent ~115 point level they had achieved, he had 1-2 years to re-sign his core the team had built good relationships with to increases that were completely covered by cap increases, he had an improved prospect pool and quality ELCs available to him, no cap anchors, plenty of cap space to shape his team, and significant increases in the cap upcoming.

Treliving got dealt a much better hand, in large part because the GM that preceded him was much better than the GM that preceded Dubas.

 

[seventieslord]

We were comfortably out of the playoffs real quick with nothing to show for it....how did that strategy us or our propect pool?

You can't be serious. If course it didn't help our prospect pool. That's not something teams comfortably in a playoff spot do.

It's easy to look back with five years hindsight and say, "well, we lost, so we should have been sellers." SO SHOULD 15 OTHER TEAMS, THEN. going into the playoffs with a number of pending UFAs that other teams are going to be interested in is exactly what playoff teams do, year after year.

Plus, we'd have lost that series without them, and then what's to stop the second guessers from saying, "jeez, if only we kept JVR and Bozak maybe we'd have had the depth to go on a run that year!"

Come on man, give your head a shake. You must know that is not a viable strategy for success. Of course the Leafs are the only perennial playoff team in the league right now that has fans criticizing them for losing players for nothing.very on-brand.

 

[geo25]

You can't be serious. If course it didn't help our prospect pool. That's not something teams comfortably in a playoff spot do.

It's easy to look back with five years hindsight and say, "well, we lost, so we should have been sellers." SO SHOULD 15 OTHER TEAMS, THEN. going into the playoffs with a number of pending UFAs that other teams are going to be interested in is exactly what playoff teams do, year after year.

Plus, we'd have lost that series without them, and then what's to stop the second guessers from saying, "jeez, if only we kept JVR and Bozak maybe we'd have had the depth to go on a run that year!"

Come on man, give your head a shake. You must know that is not a viable strategy for success. Of course the Leafs are the only perennial playoff team in the league right now that has fans criticizing them for losing players for nothing.very on-brand.

Thats your opinion and its proven to be a mistake with regards to the Leafs at least....for 56 years. Using your own rentals with only wishful thinking as to how far you can go is and has proven to be a poor strategy. Trading for Marleau, Foligno, Thornton blah blah...where did it help? We emptied the cupboards. On top of that the Ownership/Mgmt are delusional (perhaps intentionally) if they think this core who's failed 7 ....yes SEVEN times will do it by moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we get a new and more balanced core we arent going anywhere.
That could have been done by trading MM prior to July 1st....what does mgmt do? Nothing....

 

[seventieslord]

Thats your opinion and its proven to be a mistake with regards to the Leafs at least....for 56 years. Using your own rentals with only wishful thinking as to how far you can go is and has proven to be a poor strategy. Trading for Marleau, Foligno, Thornton blah blah...where did it help? We emptied the cupboards. On top of that the Ownership/Mgmt are delusional (perhaps intentionally) if they think this core who's failed 7 ....yes SEVEN times will do it by moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. Until we get a new and more balanced core we arent going anywhere.
That could have been done by trading MM prior to July 1st....what does mgmt do? Nothing....

Okay buddy now you're just ranting and almost none of that has anything to do with what I'm saying.

Only one of those three players was a trade, and yes everybody knows it was a terrible trade. Nobody's saying we need to make trades like that every year or at all.

I'm only pushing back against the idea that we're supposed to be trading our own UFAs when we're a playoff team. Nothing could be more nonsensical.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Great job at sideways moves

 

[thewave]

Great job at sideways moves

Already better than Dubas despite Dubas leaving us in cap shambles.

 

[Mess]

Already better than Dubas despite Dubas leaving us in cap shambles.

We won't really truly be able to evaluate Brad Treliving until we see how he handles and what he does with the Core 4 forwards.

Little BT could do with Matthews, after the bad hand he was dealt with the job, and a 5 year contract that should have been 8 years, through incompetence of his predecessor, and at complete mercy of the player with a full NMC. Only two options pay AM what he wants or let him walk. It could have been worse and the AAV even higher.

However now how he manages Nylander, Marner and Tavares going forward over the course of the next 2 years will set the tone.

Best case scenario being he holds Nylander below $10 mil AAV or trades him for a high-end Dman or some younger cheaper talent, he plays hardball with Marner and he gets only a small increase from his current over-payment and Tavares either gets slashed significantly almost in 1/2 or allowed to walk and that $11 mil re-invested in the team. So when the dust settles we only have 2 X double digit AAV players unless he can land another star like say Draisaitl in a couple years with the JT cap space.

 

[WF19]

This is really the sticking point. I’ve said this a couple times, including recently in this thread, but I’m not letting Nylander go now knowing that JT comes off the books in 2. I am not a Tavares hater as some have become around here, but at their respective points in their careers I’m keeping Nylander ten times out of ten

Tavares is done after 2 more seasons, so it will be the core 3.

Still, Knies seems like he's gonna be a player so he will have to sign a new contract sooner or later, Bertuzzi is a solid ad and a piece you guys need and will like. He will probably have a career year this year playing with the talent now and ZERO chance he sign another contract like that which is why he went 1 year. Trading Nylander solves a glaring hole in net or another dman or Cap space.

Seems like every year they have another guy with a career year and they can't re sign them. Such as Hyman and Bunting then it'll eventually be Knies.

Long story short defense win cups, who was the last team in recent history that required 4 forwards that will end up making between 9million and 13million? Balance the team more and maybe make it more if a team rather than literally everything about the core 4..

Here's a scenario I'd like to throw out there,
As a Wings fan I'd be all over taking Nylander off your hands and we're full some pretty prime Defense prospect pool. Seider isn't happening but Edvinsson is also gonna be a stud and could probably be packaged away..

Would anybody other than myself do that? Probably not but again you don't actually need Nylander as well and could get a 6'6" silky smooth skating 6OV defenseman that's 19 years old and could very well turn into a franchise dman on an ELC plus picks which you guys also have none of. Also Seider turned out pretty well for us, for Leafs fans that don't know Wings prospects this guy is coming with the same amount of hype that Seider did.

 

[LeafEgo]

Still, Knies seems like he's gonna be a player so he will have to sign a new contract sooner or later, Bertuzzi is a solid ad and a piece you guys need and will like. He will probably have a career year this year playing with the talent now and ZERO chance he sign another contract like that which is why he went 1 year. Trading Nylander solves a glaring hole in net or another dman or Cap space.

Seems like every year they have another guy with a career year and they can't re sign them. Such as Hyman and Bunting then it'll eventually be Knies.

Long story short defense win cups, who was the last team in recent history that required 4 forwards that will end up making between 9million and 13million? Balance the team more and maybe make it more if a team rather than literally everything about the core 4..

Here's a scenario I'd like to throw out there,
As a Wings fan I'd be all over taking Nylander off your hands and we're full some pretty prime Defense prospect pool. Seider isn't happening but Edvinsson is also gonna be a stud and could probably be packaged away..

Would anybody other than myself do that? Probably not but again you don't actually need Nylander as well and could get a 6'6" silky smooth skating 6OV defenseman that's 19 years old and could very well turn into a franchise dman on an ELC plus picks which you guys also have none of. Also Seider turned out pretty well for us, for Leafs fans that don't know Wings prospects this guy is coming with the same amount of hype that Seider did.

There was hype with Seider? I just remember everyone shocked he went top 10.

Edvinsson is a great prospect and while Tre is possibly prioritizing years 3-5 with JT off the books I suspect there is too much pressure to remain competitive in the near term to drop 40 goals for a prospect centerpiece.

If he gets a call from Detriot he's probably pressure testing Seider and then moving on.

 

[Gabriel426]

Would say BT done a great job if the Leafs is in the ECF or Cup Finals or winning the Cup

 

[WF19]

There was hype with Seider? I just remember everyone shocked he went top 10.

Edvinsson is a great prospect and while Tre is possibly prioritizing years 3-5 with JT off the books I suspect there is too much pressure to remain competitive in the near term to drop 40 goals for a prospect centerpiece.

If he gets a call from Detriot he's probably pressure testing Seider and then moving on.

Amongst Wings fans and brass yes. He was an actual Yzerman and Hakan pick and as soon as he was drafted and Yzerman said you have to watch this guy, he was then followed very closely with the organization and the fans.

Same deal as Ed, it was more of a surprise to the Wings that he was still available at 6 when there was rumors of a few gm's actually rating him 1OV. Now Wings fans have been following this guy the same way and he's doing everything Seider was and even better at some.

 

[WF19]

Amongst Wings fans and brass yes. He was an actual Yzerman and Hakan pick and as soon as he was drafted and Yzerman said you have to watch this guy, he was then followed very closely with the organization and the fans.

Same deal as Ed, it was more of a surprise to the Wings that he was still available at 6 when there was rumors of a few gm's actually rating him 1OV. Now Wings fans have been following this guy the same way and he's doing everything Seider was and even better at some.

I think Ed is more of a stud prospect that is pretty much ready for NHL duty and also it's not just dropping 40 goals for a centerpiece it's about getting a possible #1 franchise dman at the beginning of his career. As I also mentioned you guys also signed Bert, who is also a 30 goal scorer himself and if he manages to stay healthy I'm confident he could score 40 as well. Or just give Knies more opportunity or Robertson.

 

[LeafEgo]

I think Ed is more of a stud prospect that is pretty much ready for NHL duty and also it's not just dropping 40 goals for a centerpiece it's about getting a possible #1 franchise dman at the beginning of his career. As I also mentioned you guys also signed Bert, who is also a 30 goal scorer himself and if he manages to stay healthy I'm confident he could score 40 as well. Or just give Knies more opportunity or Robertson.

Fair enough, don't know enough about Ed. Perron could be an interesting part of the equation as a short term stop gap.

I recall Yzerman personally scouting Seider. Very impressive, not too often you see such an obvious example of scouting over luck.

 

[WF19]

Fair enough, don't know enough about Ed. Perron could be an interesting part of the equation as a short term stop gap.

I recall Yzerman personally scouting Seider. Very impressive, not too often you see such an obvious example of scouting over luck.

It's been a rough while as a Wing fan but while everyone on the main boards are questioning Yzerman for being 4 years in and still not in the playoffs. The guy has just been hounding picks and drafting guys the entire time. Wings fans know the picks Yzerman is excited about just like he was with the picks he made in Tampa.. The whole process is structured, loaded up on defense prospects, stud goalie prospect first and now has started working on the forward group.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Who gives a f*** about the prospect pool, I know this website is called Hockeysfuture but as long as Matthews is on this team, they are in win now mode.

It's not 2015 anymore

As long as Tavares and his crippling contract are on the team, they are in can't win now mode.

Only two more years!

Which is why keeping some prospects would have been good.

 

[nuck]

We won't really truly be able to evaluate Brad Treliving until we see how he handles and what he does with the Core 4 forwards.

Little BT could do with Matthews, after the bad hand he was dealt with the job, and a 5 year contract that should have been 8 years, through incompetence of his predecessor, and at complete mercy of the player with a full NMC. Only two options pay AM what he wants or let him walk. It could have been worse and the AAV even higher.

However now how he manages Nylander, Marner and Tavares going forward over the course of the next 2 years will set the tone.

Best case scenario being he holds Nylander below $10 mil AAV or trades him for a high-end Dman or some younger cheaper talent, he plays hardball with Marner and he gets only a small increase from his current over-payment and Tavares either gets slashed significantly almost in 1/2 or allowed to walk and that $11 mil re-invested in the team. So when the dust settles we only have 2 X double digit AAV players unless he can land another star like say Draisaitl in a couple years with the JT cap space.

Nylander is huge. He may resign and they end up back with the bargain bin plus 4 stars strategy for 2 more years. And I don't know whether they got caved last playoff because the D and goalie just weren't good enough or the coach wasn't good enough. Is Sammy not a winner or did he just peak a bit too early? Would a better goalie have changed their whole playoff? This really is still the Dubas vision if they re-sign Willie. A hot goalie and the star forwards shoot the lights out and who knows?

Best case is he lets Nylander go and the cap issues with the forwards are done. In the long term some of that $9M+ can go towards the defense. Otherwise its just recycling the same plan and they sit waiting for cap growth to make them a better balanced club.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Nylander is huge. He may resign and they end up back with the bargain bin plus 4 stars strategy for 2 more years. And I don't know whether they got caved last playoff because the D and goalie just weren't good enough or the coach wasn't good enough. Is Sammy not a winner or did he just peak a bit too early? Would a better goalie have changed their whole playoff? This really is still the Dubas vision if they re-sign Willie. A hot goalie and the star forwards shoot the lights out and who knows?

Best case is he lets Nylander go and the cap issues with the forwards are done. That $9M+ can go towards a defenseman. Otherwise its just recycling the same plan and they sit waiting for cap growth to make them a better balanced club.

Now we know Mich is going to ask for the moon and to me, that means WN has got to go. Can't keep paying these guys and giving them increases with no playoff success. D is weak and I'm not even sure how to construct lines 3 and 4

Who gives a f*** about the prospect pool, I know this website is called Hockeysfuture but as long as Matthews is on this team, they are in win now mode.

It's not 2015 anymore

Dubas sure didn't

 

[Sypher04]

Nylander is huge. He may resign and they end up back with the bargain bin plus 4 stars strategy for 2 more years. And I don't know whether they got caved last playoff because the D and goalie just weren't good enough or the coach wasn't good enough. Is Sammy not a winner or did he just peak a bit too early? Would a better goalie have changed their whole playoff? This really is still the Dubas vision if they re-sign Willie. A hot goalie and the star forwards shoot the lights out and who knows?

Best case is he lets Nylander go and the cap issues with the forwards are done. That $9M+ can go towards a defenseman. Otherwise its just recycling the same plan and they sit waiting for cap growth to make them a better balanced club.

Our biggest issue post deadline and in the playoffs last year was that they lost a lot of speed.

 

[justashadowof]

The numbers do work to give Nylander his big contract, I'll say something high like $10M aav. Also extend Marner at something in the vicinity of $11.5M starting in 2025-26. That still leaves about $23M in 2024-25 to add/re-sign 4 defenders and 4 forwards. $5M for one defender, $4M for a 2nd, $3M for a 3rd leaving leaving $11M for the forwards. That's one substantial forward addition in the range of $5 to $6M with $5-6M to fill out the forward group.

Then in 2025-26 there's plenty of freed space minus the expired Tavares' deal. They may even be able to add a $15M to $16M player to mix in 2026-27.

The numbers work out but will this be the way to build a Stanley Cup contender capable of closing the deal? That's another question entirely.