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Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

Gallagbi said:
In this thread you're arguing the Leafs are dogshit for losing a series their #1G left, playing approx half the games, and their #1C was visibly hurt in while discounting their win in the first series because the other team's #1D was banged up and #3D was hurt.
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Actually, I didn't say any of those things.

Dekes For Days said:
Actually, I said "consistent ~115 point level". ~ means loosely around.
Our past 3 seasons, we've played at 113, 115, and 111 point paces. That is consecutive seasons so it is consistent, and that average is 113 points, which is ~115 points.
Swing and a miss again.
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Yes, you do swing and miss a lot.

Glad you're finally starting to see it.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
You're the one swinging and missing. What I wrote was accurate,, as usual. Then you came in, misquoted me, insulted me, and then got proven wrong again.
And even after that, and other people calling you out for it, you can't just admit you were wrong, apologize, and move on.
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Six misstatements. About par.
 
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
 
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Hoverhand said:
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
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Are we going to yearn for the defensive prowess of Kerfoot, Bunting, Holl, and Engvall? There really isn't much difference between that group and the group you referenced.
 
Hoverhand said:
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
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What? No one is really looking at or expecting any of them to come in and be defensively astute. Well, Klingberg because that's the position. Hopefully he's not a disaster like Barrie was.

But Reaves is here for toughness and intimidation, and the other two are here to provide snarl up front, as well as have higher offensive potential, than what Bunting, Engvall and Kerfoot provided.

If anything, Dubas would be applauded for signing low-risk, high-reward signings like Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg all on one-year deals. Treliving was rightfully hated on for the contract he gave Reaves.

I'm saying this too as someone who has Domi and Bertuzzi as 1/2 on his most hated players in the league list. All Treliving needs to do is sign Toews and he'd complete the trifecta for me.
 
Jamason said:
Yes, there are a couple of posters who look at 'ppg' without understanding that half his points were from being on one of the best PPs, and the other half (at even strength) were a result of him playing with one or the other of two of the best passers and right wingers in the league.

$11M for a slow 2C we didn't need one, instead of the D and G that we did need, was a terrible move, not even taking into consideration the spiralling effect his overpayment had on the Matthews and Marner contracts.

$11M now for a player who is barely more than a 3C is an abomination.
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Lmfao...wow....
 
WF19 said:
I'm telling ya guys. Look what Bertuzzi did for Boston in the playoffs. I mean the Bruins shit the bed but Bert was their best player. Guy is built for the playoffs.
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He was atrocious 5v5, great on the PP, not sure he is built for the playoffs.

His line scored 4 times and got scored on 7.
 
Jamason said:
Yes, there are a couple of posters who look at 'ppg' without understanding that half his points were from being on one of the best PPs, and the other half (at even strength) were a result of him playing with one or the other of two of the best passers and right wingers in the league.

$11M for a slow 2C we didn't need one, instead of the D and G that we did need, was a terrible move, not even taking into consideration the spiralling effect his overpayment had on the Matthews and Marner contracts.

$11M now for a player who is barely more than a 3C is an abomination.
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We understand we just don't care because being good on the PP is not a bad thing.

If there is a game where the Leafs got 4 PP's, went 4/4 on the PP, Matthews Marner and Tavares all had 4 points, Tavares had all 4 goals and they won 4-0.

A legitimate fan would go "Wow PP went off tonight what a game by the big boys especially Tavares with 4 goals."

You would go 'but all 4 goals came on the PP so It's bad."

The PP is a VERY important part of the game it, can and will decide games.

I want To see a good PP.
 
Hoverhand said:
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
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They replaced, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR and Holl.
Don’t think there will be a huge drop off in Defense. And 100% sure their offense will more than make up for the little loss in their defense.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
We understand we just don't care because being good on the PP is not a bad thing.

If there is a game where the Leafs got 4 PP's, went 4/4 on the PP, Matthews Marner and Tavares all had 4 points, Tavares had all 4 goals and they won 4-0.

A legitimate fan would go "Wow PP went off tonight what a game by the big boys especially Tavares with 4 goals."

You would go 'but all 4 goals came on the PP so It's bad."

The PP is a VERY important part of the game it, can and will decide games.

I want To see a good PP.
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I just want them to score at least ONE more goal than their opponents for 16 times in the playoffs.

For real, a goal is a goal, doesn’t matter how it scored.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
They replaced, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR and Holl.
Don’t think there will be a huge drop off in Defense. And 100% sure their offense will more than make up for the little loss in their defense.
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You're the 2nd person to QT this point and it's just not true.

Klingberg, Reaves, and Domi were defensive black holes last year and you're acting like we did a lateral. Kerfoot was overpaid and couldn't score but he was a reliable PK guy, and so was Holl!

I'm not even saying that I wouldn't have sacrificed some defence for some offence like Brad did, but these guys do not have Kerfoot's defensive IQ.
 
Gabriel426 said:
They replaced, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR and Holl.
Don’t think there will be a huge drop off in Defense. And 100% sure their offense will more than make up for the little loss in their defense.


I just want them to score at least ONE more goal than their opponents for 16 times in the playoffs.

For real, a goal is a goal, doesn’t matter how it scored.
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I do, but i also think theres enough stability for those additions to be supported. Everyone you listed was fine defensively (Bunting the only Q) and most were very responsible.
 
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Hoverhand said:
You're the 2nd person to QT this point and it's just not true.

Klingberg, Reaves, and Domi were defensive black holes last year and you're acting like we did a lateral. Kerfoot was overpaid and couldn't score but he was a reliable PK guy, and so was Holl!

I'm not even saying that I wouldn't have sacrificed some defence for some offence like Brad did, but these guys do not have Kerfoot's defensive IQ.
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When it comes to PK, the new guys were not signed to PK.
 
Hoverhand said:
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
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Keefe doesn't really have that bad a deal as far as NHL rosters go. . . although can't disagree that he has had GM challenges to deal with thus far - hard to know how much blame he should get.

But everyone is concerned about our defensive game today, even Tre. Keefe is typically dumped on for other reasons. Holl was usually blamed for defense woes.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
We understand we just don't care because being good on the PP is not a bad thing.

If there is a game where the Leafs got 4 PP's, went 4/4 on the PP, Matthews Marner and Tavares all had 4 points, Tavares had all 4 goals and they won 4-0.

A legitimate fan would go "Wow PP went off tonight what a game by the big boys especially Tavares with 4 goals."

You would go 'but all 4 goals came on the PP so It's bad."

The PP is a VERY important part of the game it, can and will decide games.

I want To see a good PP.
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I love a good powerplay, but that wasn't the point.

How many players are that dependent on the PP for their points?

He was 31st in points, but at even strength he barely make the top 100, and that's with either Mitch or Willy, two of the top six passers in the league, feeding him.

"He's ppg" is badly misleading.
 
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Jamason said:
I love a good powerplay, but that wasn't the point.

How many players are that dependent on the PP for their points?

He was 31st in points, but at even strength he barely make the top 100, and that's with either Mitch or Willy, two of the top six passers in the league, feeding him.

"He's ppg" is badly misleading.
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Yeah i would also have put that 11mill on a goalie and a D.
 
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Hoverhand said:
I'm far from Sheldon Keefe's biggest fan but he's going to get the raw end of the stick here. Reaves, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, and Domi all have poor defensive numbers and when they inevitably cause this team some defensive problems, the pro-Treliving side of the fanbase is going to stir up some nauseating "Keefe isn't whipping the team into shape" takes.

The signings aren't bad per se but Treliving is betting on this team to score their way out of trouble and a lot of you would hate it if Dubas made the same bet.
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Speak for yourself, I wanted Dubas to go get a proven, legitimate support scorer for years he eventually did with the ROR trade but that took him 5 years and before you or anyone else brings up Tavares he's a core piece not a support scorer.

Brad Treliving brought in more support scoring in about 5 hours on July 2nd than Dubas did in 5 years.

As for Keefe he will get the blame when his failure to adjust cost them.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Brad Treliving brought in more support scoring in about 5 hours on July 2nd than Dubas did in 5 years.
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Jarnkrok, three years before Dubas signed him -> 40 goals
Foligno, three full years before Dubas traded for him -> 42 goals
Domi three years before Treliving signed him -> 40 goals
Bertuzzi, three years before Treliving signed him. -> 43 goals

Yup, clearly a huge difference.
 
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The good thing is he hasn’t signed any long term contracts that will hurt them in the next two years.
Who knows, maybe they will be used as trade bait?
 
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