Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[ACC1224]

Thinking Reaves in Lafferty were in direct competition which each other.

 

[notbias]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

Gregor/Kampf/Reaves - 0 GF, 6 GA
Gregor/Holmberg/Reaves - 0 GF, 1 GA

That is 7 goals that the other lines need to make up for... there is a reason people are concerned about 4th liners.

5v5 on-ice goal differential for each player.

Reaves -11
Gregor -5
Holmberg -2
Kampf -1

There is a legitimate concern about our 4th line...

Thankfully, I think step 1 is sitting Reaves and it appears to be happening.

They played well last game. Also, I think Keefe trusts them as he puts out the fourth line often after goals.

They scored goals but were outplayed... I'll take that if it is consistent, but I don't think it'll consistently happen... their play is still not good.

I'd say they played better, not well.

Thinking Reaves in Lafferty were in direct competition which each other.

That's an issue... Reaves was given a position when he shouldn't have had one.

It only took 15 games to see how idiotic that was.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm sorry but were you in a diabetic coma when Engvall was still on this team? This forum singled him out as a whipping boy. He was an imperfect bottom sixer who killed penalties, scored about 15 goals and was on a cheap contract but because he didn't play like Eric Lindros everyone here wanted to crucify him.

It's funny. Discussions about 4th liners was a huge topic of conversation for some of these individuals over the past 5 years, despite the fact that the 4th line held their own quite well during that time. Now, the 4th line is a complete disaster, and suddenly it's how dare anybody talk about why, as we have people adamantly refusing to acknowledge the choices that were made. I wonder what changed.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Who did Reaves win a job over? Or was he just handed one? What did he do to be handed one?

This is what people are saying... if Gregor can win a job in training camp, then Reaves won his in free agency (somehow).

There was the option to have a more optimal lineup with Gregor - Kampf - Lafferty, but they chose Reaves.

No one is upset Gregor made the team, people are upset Reaves did.

I don't think there was another player player who brings what he bring. McMann I suppose is closest in style, but still different - more speed for one, but he was injured.

 

[notbias]

I don't think there was another player player who brings what he bring. McMann I suppose is closest in style, but still different - more speed for one, but he was injured.

Lafferty fights, hits, is fast and has the better skill... Will stop pushing him, but we had other options.

Reaves brings nothing... I think he's had one good shift.

Gio brought more toughness and stuck up more for his teammates last game than Reaves did all season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Gregor/Kampf/Reaves - 0 GF, 6 GA
Gregor/Holmberg/Reaves - 0 GF, 1 GA

That is 7 goals that the other lines need to make up for... there is a reason people are concerned about 4th liners.

5v5 on-ice goal differential for each player.

Reaves -11
Gregor -5
Holmberg -2
Kampf -1

There is a legitimate concern about our 4th line...

Thankfully, I think step 1 is sitting Reaves and it appears to be happening.



They scored goals but were outplayed... I'll take that if it is consistent, but I don't think it'll consistently happen... their play is still not good.

I'd say they played better, not well.



That's an issue... Reaves was given a position when he shouldn't have had one.

It only took 15 games to see how idiotic that was.

You'd say they played better. I say they played well. Reeves will be back in the lineup likely in Sweeden VS the Wild.

 

[ToneDog]

It's funny. Discussions about 4th liners was a huge topic of conversation for some of these individuals over the past 5 years, despite the fact that the 4th line held their own quite well during that time. Now, the 4th line is a complete disaster, and suddenly it's how dare anybody talk about why, as we have people adamantly refusing to acknowledge the choices that were made. I wonder what changed.

Let it go. Dubas is dead. Long live Treliving.

 

[TheRumble]

It's funny. Discussions about 4th liners was a huge topic of conversation for some of these individuals over the past 5 years, despite the fact that the 4th line held their own quite well during that time. Now, the 4th line is a complete disaster, and suddenly it's how dare anybody talk about why, as we have people adamantly refusing to acknowledge the choices that were made. I wonder what changed.

Yeah these numb nuts used to blame the top 4 for us not being able to ice an "elite bottom 6" and an elite dman and look what happened when we had a summer with $16 million in cap space. $1.3 million to Ryan Reaves, $2.4 million to David Kampf, $4.1 to John Klingberg.

All of whom btw, have an established paper trail of sucking.

*crickets chirp*

 

[Leaf Fans]

Lafferty fights, hits, is fast and has the better skill... Will stop pushing him, but we had other options.

Reaves brings nothing... I think he's had one good shift.

Gio brought more toughness and stuck up more for his teammates last game than Reaves did all season.

Reeves should have done something in Boston no doubt about that.

 

[notbias]

You'd say they played better. I say they played well. Reeves will be back in the lineup likely in Sweeden VS the Wild.

That was their game... I think they played fine...

They scored, which I said was great, and if they can do that consistently, great.

But I don't think getting out-chanced will work well in the long run for that line, they are not talented enough.

I am more worried about how they perform over the season than a single game though.

I do agree they looked 10x better without Reaves.

I'd like to see Holmberg over McMann/Gregor, I think they will be better defensively and add more offense as well.

 

[Leaf Fans]

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That was their game... I think they played fine...

They scored, which I said was great, and if they can do that consistently, great.

But I don't think getting out-chanced will work well in the long run for that line, they are not talented enough.

I am more worried about how they perform over the season than a single game though.

I do agree they looked 10x better without Reaves.

I'd like to see Holmberg over McMann/Gregor, I think they will be better defensively and add more offense as well.

The whole team looked good against Vancouver - they won. I am in favour of sticking with a winning line-up, but I don't think it was all on Reeves any more than I think that Matthews will score a hat trick and win the game every time Reeves fights in a game.

 

[Nineteen67]

Let it go. Dubas is dead. Long live Treliving.

One thing you can say about Dubas, he never lost a series, playoff or play in, to a worse team.

 

[hotpaws]

But we do know. McPhee had success in Washington.
Don't answer a question with a give him a chance. Dubas was given a chance as he was uoung. Treliving is not young.
We deserve success...56 yrs.

he had a little success but he also traded Forsberg for Erat

and age doesn't mean shit , Dubas didn't fail because of his age , he failed because he's incompetent

 

[notbias]

he had a little success but he also traded Forsberg for Erat

and age doesn't mean shit , Dubas didn't fail because of his age , he failed because he's incompetent

Why do you think Treliving has failed so far in his career?

 

[Niagara Bill]

he had a little success but he also traded Forsberg for Erat

and age doesn't mean shit , Dubas didn't fail because of his age , he failed because he's incompetent

So if Treliving has failed to produce a winning team in a number of jobs, you still give him the benefit of doubt until he fails here?
Based on that logic Jack Campbell should be back in NHL playing goal on a Stanley Cup winner by year end.

 

[Nineteen67]

So if Treliving has failed to produce a winning team in a number of jobs, you still give him the benefit of doubt until he fails here?
Based on that logic Jack Campbell should be back in NHL playing goal on a Stanley Cup winner by year end.

Treliving doesn’t exude confidence when he speaks. He was likely the only person available and wont be the Leafs GM very long. The Matthews window is short and sooner they replace him the better chance they have at success.

 

[hotpaws]

So if Treliving has failed to produce a winning team in a number of jobs, you still give him the benefit of doubt until he fails here?
Based on that logic Jack Campbell should be back in NHL playing goal on a Stanley Cup winner by year end.

I'm not giving him the benefit of doubt , i'm simply giving my opinion on the moves he made so far .

funny how you and your fellow Dube supporters freaked out right from the time Tre was hired yet did nothing but praise Dubas regardless of how often he proved he was incompetent and are lashing out because you can't believe he's still not GM of the Leafs

i have no idea why you and the rest of his loyal supporters don't just head on over to the Pens board and fill your days with happiness

 

[Leaf Fans]

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No, Gregor's league minimum cap hit won, after we needed to trade Lafferty because Treliving chose Reaves over him.
Nothing you're saying, even if it were true, changes the fact that Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why Reaves is here and Lafferty is not.

He wasn't even signed to have a minimum cap hit when he won the job. He was still on a PTO when he beat out Look Lafferty. Still, to pay a player less for the same or better is a good thing in the NHL.

 

[horner]

Treliving's believes that the off-season is the time to build your team.he says that deadline deals are to chaotic for the team.


That is good news

 

[ACC1224]

He wasn't even signed to have a minimum cap hit when he won the job. He was still on a PTO when he beat out Look Lafferty. Still, to pay a player less for the same or better is a good thing in the NHL.

They weren't counting on Minten making the team either.

 

[Peasy]

Treliving's believes that the off-season is the time to build your team.he says that deadline deals are to chaotic for the team.
His history of deadline deals is maybe a 3rd .
He has never dealt a 1st or top prospect.

That is good news

Good philosophy to have. Whens the last time a major TDL rental add was a huge contributing factor to winning the cup?

 

[Nineteen67]

Treliving's believes that the off-season is the time to build your team.he says that deadline deals are to chaotic for the team.
His history of deadline deals is maybe a 3rd .
He has never dealt a 1st or top prospect.

That is good news

If you’re a legit contender and need an extra player to sure up your lineup and give a coach some insurance then TDL deals can work, but you can’t rebuild your team to save your job.

The Leafs are in tough spot, do they trade away pending UFAs or do they acquire players.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

It's crazy how many pages have been filled mourning the loss of Sam Lafferty. What a fanbase.

I'm sorry but were you in a diabetic coma when Engvall was still on this team? This forum singled him out as a whipping boy. He was an imperfect bottom sixer who killed penalties, scored about 15 goals and was on a cheap contract but because he didn't play like Eric Lindros everyone here wanted to crucify him.

I loved Engvall. Good bottom 6 player.

 

[IPS]

Holy crap that guy really still ain't over Dubas getting the boot from Toronto. If he could stop derailing threads with pointless comparisons that'd be great though.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Treliving's believes that the off-season is the time to build your team.he says that deadline deals are to chaotic for the team.
His history of deadline deals is maybe a 3rd .
He has never dealt a 1st or top prospect.

That is good news

He traded for Tyler Toffoli on February 14, 2022, ffor multiple assets, including a first round pick.

He's traded first round picks twice in other moves not around the deadline (to get rid of Monahan, who he signed), and to get Hamonic (along with two second rounders, to boot).

He's traded multiple seconds at the deadline (Jarnkrok, Lazar/Kostka), as well.

I think what the big issue is with him not often trading firsts, though it's completely false to say he hasn't, is that his teams haven't been good enough for him to think they can make a run. Nice of him to recognize that, but he built the team that wasn't good enough to go on a run.