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Peasy said:
Good philosophy to have. Whens the last time a major TDL rental add was a huge contributing factor to winning the cup?
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I agree. I think you could make a good case for almost never trading top prospects or high picks (first 2 rounds) for rentals. Just think of what our team could like today if we had done things this way. Can't really blame Dubas too much as most teams add rentals if they think they can go deep, and most of this fanbase is all for it as well. At times I've argued against it and so man people respond with comments like "you have to give the team the best chance to win" and "what kind of message does that send" etc.
 
I thought it was actually not a bad move to get a 5th round pick for a player that lost his job in camp. If lafferty was waived and claimed it would probably be a bit annoying. At the risk of sounding political; I’ve appreciated Gregor’s play easily as much as Lafferty’s contributions last year. Gregor seems to have a more dominant shot as well, it’s a wicked wrister.
 
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Peasy said:
Good philosophy to have. Whens the last time a major TDL rental add was a huge contributing factor to winning the cup?
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Depends how exactly you define those parameters. The vast majority of Cup winners do make a significant add at the deadline… though it rarely is the biggest addition made that year.

Vegas added Barbashev. Colorado added Lehtonen and Manson. Tampa Bay added Savard the season after they added Coleman, Goodrow, and Bogosian.
 
Dreakmur said:
Depends how exactly you define those parameters. The vast majority of Cup winners do make a significant add at the deadline… though it rarely is the biggest addition made that year.

Vegas added Barbashev. Colorado added Lehtonen and Manson. Tampa Bay added Savard the season after they added Coleman, Goodrow, and Bogosian.
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And it's not like those additions exactly blew the doors off when they got traded as well.

Barbashev actually struggled with only 5 points in 15 games starting with Vegas until he stepped it up huge for Vegas in the playoffs.

Takes awhile to see if signings/trades end up being winners or losers.
 
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tuckerintensity said:
He traded for Tyler Toffoli on February 14, 2022, ffor multiple assets, including a first round pick.

He's traded first round picks twice in other moves not around the deadline (to get rid of Monahan, who he signed), and to get Hamonic (along with two second rounders, to boot).

He's traded multiple seconds at the deadline (Jarnkrok, Lazar/Kostka), as well.

I think what the big issue is with him not often trading firsts, though it's completely false to say he hasn't, is that his teams haven't been good enough for him to think they can make a run. Nice of him to recognize that, but he built the team that wasn't good enough to go on a run.
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Toffoli wasn't a rental.
Dreakmur said:
Depends how exactly you define those parameters. The vast majority of Cup winners do make a significant add at the deadline… though it rarely is the biggest addition made that year.

Vegas added Barbashev. Colorado added Lehtonen and Manson. Tampa Bay added Savard the season after they added Coleman, Goodrow, and Bogosian.
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Coleman, Goodrow, Lehkonen all had term, they werent rentals. The only rental there traded for a 1st was Savard and it was a pretty meh add.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
He wasn't even signed to have a minimum cap hit when he won the job.
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Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for the 4th line RW spot, then traded Lafferty to get under the cap, and then signed a 4th line LW for league minimum.
Leaf Fans said:
Still, to pay a player less for the same or better is a good thing in the NHL.
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They're paying more for Reaves for infinitely less quality in the 4th line RW spot. That's the problem.
 
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hotpaws said:
I'm not giving him the benefit of doubt , i'm simply giving my opinion on the moves he made so far .

funny how you and your fellow Dube supporters freaked out right from the time Tre was hired yet did nothing but praise Dubas regardless of how often he proved he was incompetent and are lashing out because you can't believe he's still not GM of the Leafs

i have no idea why you and the rest of his loyal supporters don't just head on over to the Pens board and fill your days with happiness
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I am not a Dubas supporter. In the end, he was not trust worthy. Just saying we cannot get the Nylander situation wrong. At least 50% of preseason deals were wrong that Trevliving made. I do not trust him to deal with the most valuable property in the NHL come June 2024.
 
horner said:
Treliving's believes that the off-season is the time to build your team.he says that deadline deals are to chaotic for the team.
His history of deadline deals is maybe a 3rd .
He has never dealt a 1st or top prospect.

That is good news
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Toffoli was a month before the deadline, I'd say that is close enough.
1st, 4th, 5th for Toffoli.

Then a 3rd, 3rd, 7th for Jarnkrok that year.

Then a 5th for Carpenter that year.

So 2022 deadline he sent 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, that is a full draft worth of picks...

He looks like he just makes deals earlier than the deadline, which is the trend now... but he still makes deals.

He just makes bad summer deals...

Monahan and a 1st for nothing
A 2nd for Bennett
Tkachuk for what are now cap dumps
1st+ for Hamonic

He has made some good trades too though, the Hamilton trade is probably good.
 
notbias said:
Toffoli was a month before the deadline, I'd say that is close enough.
1st, 4th, 5th for Toffoli.

Then a 3rd, 3rd, 7th for Jarnkrok that year.

Then a 5th for Carpenter that year.

So 2022 deadline he sent 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, that is a full draft worth of picks...

He looks like he just makes deals earlier than the deadline, which is the trend now... but he still makes deals.

He just makes bad summer deals...

Monahan for a 1st
A 2nd for Bennett
Tkachuk for what are now cap dumps
1st+ for Hamonic

He has made some good trades too though, the Hamilton trade is probably good.
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Toffoli was not a rental... He had 2 additional years remaining. They literally just dealt him this year to NJ and is a UFA at the end of this year.
 
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Peasy said:
Toffoli was not a rental... He had 2 additional years remaining. They literally just dealt him this year to NJ and is a UFA at the end of this year.
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So only rentals? Ya... he doesn't do many of those... he just makes bad trades and signings in the summer... give him the summers off

Has he ever built a contender though? Not sure any Calgary team I'd be spending money on rentals...

But I was referencing a post that said he doesn't spend at the deadline... which he does, as shown above... even if they aren't rentals
 
notbias said:
So only rentals? Ya... he doesn't do many of those... he just makes bad trades and signings in the summer... give him the summers off

Has he ever built a contender though? Not sure any Calgary team I'd be spending money on rentals...

But I was referencing a post that said he doesn't spend at the deadline... which he does, as shown above... even if they aren't rentals
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Doesnt spend nearly as much as Dubas has at the trade deadline on rentals. I think that is kinda the point that is being discussed.

Trading away multiple first round picks for rentals when your team hasnt even shown that they can win a round will forever be seen as moronic moves to me.

More likely than not it doesn't work out.
 
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Peasy said:
Doesnt spend nearly as much as Dubas has at the trade deadline on rentals. I think that is kinda the point that is being discussed.

Trading away multiple first round picks for rentals when your team hasnt even shown that they can win a round will forever be seen as moronic moves to me.

More likely than not it doesn't work out.
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Dubas was not brought up... we are discussing Brad.

1st + Monahan for nothing
Got a 2nd for Bennett
Tkachuk trade
Hamonic trade
Contracts for Huberdeau, Kadri, Markstrom, Coleman, etc...

Can you defend any of these without bringing up Dubas?
 
notbias said:
Dubas was not brought up... we are discussing Brad.

1st + Monahan for nothing
Got a 2nd for Bennett
Tkachuk trade
Hamonic trade
Contracts for Huberdeau, Kadri, Markstrom, Coleman, etc...

Can you defend any of these without bringing up Dubas?
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1st + Monahan for nothing - trade was made for cap space.

Got a 2nd for Bennett - pretty good value at the time of the trade. Bennett wasn't making much of a impact in his career, he became a more impactful player after the trade. Could have been that Bennett developed and more patience was required or that the trade gave him a kick in the ass/wake up call.

Tkachuk trade - Got very good value at the time of the trade. The ability of hindsight has made the trade look lopsided, it wasn't at the time of the deal. Also, there was a pretty vocal Leaf HF poster base that had fallen in love with Weegar (with the Panthers) and claimed he was a top pairing dman. If you believe that than a top pairing Dman, 1st line winger and 1st round draft pick is great value......at the time of the trade.

Contracts: Huberdeau - was this viewed as a bad contract when signed?

Contracts: Kadri - this was generally viewed as a rich contract but not overly criticized as this is the norm for UFA signings. Mostly positive reviews of how quickly Calgary was able to pivot with Gaudreau and Tkachuk not wanting to remain in Calgary over 2 off-seasons.

Contracts: Markstrom - was this viewed as a bad contract when signed, coming off 3 straight quality seasons with the Canucks?

Are you interested in any of this other trades?

Acquired E.Lindholm and Noah Hanifin for Hamilton, Ferland and rights to Adam Fox (college player who refused to sign ELC).
Acquired Dougie Hamilton for 2015 1st round and 2 2nd round picks.
Acquired a 2022 3rd round pick for David Rittich (from the Leafs).
Acquired Zadorov for a 2022 3rd round pick (pick obtained for Leafs in above trade).
Acquired 2015 2nd round pick (used for Rasmus Andersson) for Sven Baertschi.

Looks like someone who knows how to acquire and build a defense.
 
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Lemontree said:
1st + Monahan for nothing - trade was made for cap space.

Got a 2nd for Bennett - pretty good value at the time of the trade. Bennett wasn't making much of a impact in his career, he became a more impactful player after the trade. Could have been that Bennett developed and more patience was required or that the trade gave him a kick in the ass/wake up call.

Tkachuk trade - Got very good value at the time of the trade. The ability of hindsight has made the trade look lopsided, it wasn't at the time of the deal. Also, there was a pretty vocal Leaf HF poster base that had fallen in love with Weegar (with the Panthers) and claimed he was a top pairing dman. If you believe that than a top pairing Dman, 1st line winger and 1st round draft pick is great value......at the time of the trade.

Contracts: Huberdeau - was this viewed as a bad contract when signed?

Contracts: Kadri - this was generally viewed as a rich contract but not overly criticized as this is the norm for UFA signings. Mostly positive reviews of how quickly Calgary was able to pivot with Gaudreau and Tkachuk not wanting to remain in Calgary over 2 off-seasons.

Contracts: Markstrom - was this viewed as a bad contract when signed, coming off 3 straight quality seasons with the Canucks?

Are you interested in any of this other trades?

Acquired E.Lindholm and Noah Hanifin for Hamilton, Ferland and rights to Adam Fox (college player who refused to sign ELC).
Acquired Dougie Hamilton for 2015 1st round and 2 2nd round picks.
Acquired a 2022 3rd round pick for David Rittich (from the Leafs).
Acquired Zadorov for a 2022 3rd round pick (pick obtained for Leafs in above trade).
Acquired 2015 2nd round pick (used for Rasmus Andersson) for Sven Baertschi.

Looks like someone who knows how to acquire and build a defense.
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Looks like someone who is bad at player evaluation.

The anti-Dubas crowd is now using "expected trade value" and "expected signing value" instead of the actual value they received.

This is hilarious.

The fact you're including those 3rd/2nd round picks proves he has not been good trading...

Like I said... give him the summers off.
 
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notbias said:
Looks like someone who is bad at player evaluation.

The anti-Dubas crowd is now using "expected trade value" and "expected signing value" instead of the actual value they received.

This is hilarious.

The fact you're including those 3rd/2nd round picks proves he has not been good trading...

Like I said... give him the summers off.
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This doesn't make any sense, calm down big fella. The Toronto Maple Leaf fans who are willing to give the new GM some time to see what he can do are interested in seeing his thought process and his ability to make decisions. The ability of hindsight will determine how successful or unsuccessful he is in the role. The previous GM was afforded 5 seasons to see his "vision" play out and it was worth 1 playoff round victory.

If your upset that Tre might have been the best GM option when Dubas was let go than we can probably agree on something. I am in the camp that Dubas should have been fired a couple of seasons ago, the Leafs would have had more time to conduct a proper GM search and really get "their guy" unless Tre was going to be "their guy" regardless.

You have done nothing but trumpt how amazing the previous GM was and essentially how dumb the Leafs are for letting him go, no one is going to take you serious when it comes to your opinion on the current GM......it doesn't seem like you are very "unbiased" in your opinion.

Also, if you trade Auston Matthews, today for a 2029 1st round pick, and that 1st round pick ends up being the 1st overall pick and the best prospect since Connor Bedard, hindsight would show that it was a great move that set the Leafs up for future success. In reality it was a stupid decision.
 
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This doesn't make any sense, calm down big fella. The Toronto Maple Leaf fans who are willing to give the new GM some time to see what he can do are interested in seeing his thought process and his ability to make decisions. The ability of hindsight will determine how successful or unsuccessful he is in the role. The previous GM was afforded 5 seasons to see his "vision" play out and it was worth 1 playoff round victory.

If your upset that Tre might have been the best GM option when Dubas was let go than we can probably agree on something. I am in the camp that Dubas should have been fired a couple of seasons ago, the Leafs would have had more time to conduct a proper GM search and really get "their guy" unless Tre was going to be "their guy" regardless.

You have done nothing but trumpt how amazing the previous GM was and essentially how dumb the Leafs are for letting him go, no one is going to take you serious when it comes to your opinion on the current GM......it doesn't seem like you are very "unbiased" in your opinion.

Also, if you trade Auston Matthews, today for a 2029 1st round pick, and that 1st round pick ends up being the 1st overall pick and the best prospect since Connor Bedard, hindsight would show that it was a great move that set the Leafs up for future success. In reality it was a stupid decision.
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You're judging trades and signings based on how you think they should have performed, not how they are... you're living in an alternative reality.
 
Dekes For Days said:
Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for the 4th line RW spot, then traded Lafferty to get under the cap, and then signed a 4th line LW for league minimum.

They're paying more for Reaves for infinitely less quality in the 4th line RW spot. That's the problem.
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I doubt it reaches infinity. Anyway, Gregor won the job in fair in camp. Lafferty was the odd man out hence the trade.
 
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