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I think we can all agree that giving Reese a one way contract for 3 yrs at a cap hit of 1.35 mil was a dumb move. He won’t get better or faster or better at the game of hockey.

The others on one year deals will see how it goes. Klingberg is so bad defensively tho.
 
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Da Mash said:
I think we can all agree that giving Reese a one way contract for 3 yrs at a cap hit of 1.35 mil was a dumb move. He won’t get better or faster or better at the game of hockey.

The others on one year deals will see how it goes. Klingberg is so bad defensively tho.
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At least signing him was before the salary cap. He retired in 1999 and and is currently goalie coach for Dallas.
 
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You guys aren't fully judging the Tkachuk trade correctly.

Treliving put himself in that situation by opting to bridge Tkachuk instead of signing him long term like Tkachuk initially wanted. Had he signed him to a 6+ year deal, maybe Tkachuk still demands a trade but Treliving isn't put in as dire of a situation. Instead Tkachuk's bridge deal expired and he said that he'd only sign a long term extension with a few specific teams which effectively made it a modified NTC
 
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Niagara Bill said:
I am not a Dubas supporter. In the end, he was not trust worthy. Just saying we cannot get the Nylander situation wrong. At least 50% of preseason deals were wrong that Trevliving made. I do not trust him to deal with the most valuable property in the NHL come June 2024.
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The Nylander situation is very straight forward . Willie holds all the cards and there's no winning for us unless he cuts us a break and doesn't go for every last penny like Mathews .

and if we trade him be prepared to be underwhelmed , teams aren't going to blow their brains out for a rental that we decided was too expensive to sign
 
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hotpaws said:
The Nylander situation is very straight forward . Willie holds all the cards and there's no winning for us unless he cuts us a break and doesn't go for every last penny like Mathews .

and if we trade him be prepared to be underwhelmed , teams aren't going to blow their brains out for a rental that we decided was too expensive to sign
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Ok, stop defending your position and just consider. Can Treliving be trusted to trade Nylander for value that helps us win.
1964...Duff, Nevin, Collins, Arnie Brown, Seiling etc for Bathgste, McKenny and Lord Stanley's Cup.
Can Treliving be trusted. I say NO!
 
Couple of wins in a row, BT is awesome.
Couple of losses in a row, BT sucks.

Playoffs and how far the team can go like ECF, SCF or winning a Cup or two will determine BT or any GMs successful or not.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Couple of wins in a row, BT is awesome.
Couple of losses in a row, BT sucks.

Playoffs and how far the team can go like ECF, SCF or winning a Cup or two will determine BT or any GMs successful or not.
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You're damn right about that.

I'm gonna bet if the Leafs win the cup it's gonna immediately turn to "it was mostly Dubas' team" by the new crowd who cheers against the team. Let's hope we can live out such a hypothetical.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
If you’re a legit contender and need an extra player to sure up your lineup and give a coach some insurance then TDL deals can work, but you can’t rebuild your team to save your job.

The Leafs are in tough spot, do they trade away pending UFAs or do they acquire players.
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I don't think management will ever consider trading ufas unless it's to make more capspace for more expensive rentals
 
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IPS said:
You're damn right about that.

I'm gonna bet if the Leafs win the cup it's gonna immediately turn to "it was mostly Dubas' team" by the new crowd who cheers against the team. Let's hope we can live out such a hypothetical.
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It depends on who contributes... but this team lives and dies with their stars, so we will likely go as far as they take us.

If some of Treliving's signings play well, I am sure he will get his props... we've needed secondary scoring for a while, so if the secondary scoring helps, then good job Brad.

Regardless, I don't think many people are arguing about who built this team if we win.

At the end of the day, we all cheer for the same team... we just disagree on how to build the best team usually.
 
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IPS said:
You're damn right about that.

I'm gonna bet if the Leafs win the cup it's gonna immediately turn to "it was mostly Dubas' team" by the new crowd who cheers against the team. Let's hope we can live out such a hypothetical.
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...but it is a mostly Dubas team right now? If they win a cup, Tre'd get credit for keeping the band together and then judged on his acquisitions.

Many of the early season struggles boiled down to poor defensive play, an unplayable 4th line and a bad PK. I'm happy our 4th line looks playable, we have some improvement to build on defensively (albeit still leaky) and a PK to turn around
 
Niagara Bill said:
Ok, stop defending your position and just consider. Can Treliving be trusted to trade Nylander for value that helps us win.
1964...Duff, Nevin, Collins, Arnie Brown, Seiling etc for Bathgste, McKenny and Lord Stanley's Cup.
Can Treliving be trusted. I say NO!
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It'll be Shanny, not Treliving.
 
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IPS said:
You're damn right about that.

I'm gonna bet if the Leafs win the cup it's gonna immediately turn to "it was mostly Dubas' team" by the new crowd who cheers against the team. Let's hope we can live out such a hypothetical.
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Don’t really care even if some says it is a tainted Cup due to intentionally tanking for AM, as long as they win the Cup.

Gallagbi said:
...but it is a mostly Dubas team right now? If they win a cup, Tre'd get credit for keeping the band together and then judged on his acquisitions.

Many of the early season struggles boiled down to poor defensive play, an unplayable 4th line and a bad PK. I'm happy our 4th line looks playable, we have some improvement to build on defensively (albeit still leaky) and a PK to turn around
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Considering Dubas was still GM about months ago, it is pretty hard to call it Brad’s team. But who cares as long as they win
 
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notbias said:
Who did Reaves win a job over? Or was he just handed one? What did he do to be handed one?

This is what people are saying... if Gregor can win a job in training camp, then Reaves won his in free agency (somehow).

There was the option to have a more optimal lineup with Gregor - Kampf - Lafferty, but they chose Reaves.

No one is upset Gregor made the team, people are upset Reaves did.
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Yeah I just don’t get how this is so complicated. You signed Reaves and gave him a 4th line spot. You got rid of Lafferty and therefore he cannot occupy a 4th line spot. You chose Reaves over Lafferty.
 
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This team sure knows how to make a mess out of everything they touch.

So hard to believe every player Treliving brought in is underperforming. With all his big talk about changing the culture in the dressing room I can see why Treliving would favour the players he did. They all appear to give lots of effort.

Even if it all that hard work does little to help the team win.

This isn't hindsight either. Lots of fans called these moves out as bad at the time they were made. Fans aren't the standard Treliving should be judged by however.

Other GM's are.

In which case Treliving isn't measuring up to his peers. If Vegas' GM is the gold standard then Treliving is the opposite. He's King Midas in reverse.

Everything he touches crumbles into a pile of shit.
 
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Anyway, Gregor won the job in fair in camp. Lafferty was the odd man out hence the trade.
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No, Reaves was handed a job unfairly in camp, despite never earning it and being a horrible player, because our GM signed him to a ridiculous contract. Then we traded our other, better >1m 4th line RW in Lafferty to get under the cap. And then we signed the best camp invite to a league minimum contract for the 4th line LW.

Whatever you think about Gregor is irrelevant. Gregor is not the issue. Treliving choosing Reaves over Lafferty for the 4th line RW spot is the issue, and the only reason Gregor has ever come up is because of people trying to desperately avoid acknowledging that issue.
 
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No, Reaves was handed a job unfairly in camp, despite never earning it and being a horrible player, because our GM signed him to a ridiculous contract. Then we traded our other, better >1m 4th line RW in Lafferty to get under the cap. And then we signed the best camp invite to a league minimum contract for the 4th line LW.

Whatever you think about Gregor is irrelevant. Gregor is not the issue. Treliving choosing Reaves over Lafferty for the 4th line RW spot is the issue, and the only reason Gregor has ever come up is because of people trying to desperately avoid acknowledging that issue.
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So just to be sure: are you saying that due to cap constraints from Ryan Reaves there was no chance that Lafferty could make the team? If that is the case then I am surprised they didn’t trade Lafferty immediately rather than having him play a full camp more or less. Also, there weren’t any reports prior to the trade that indicated Lafferty was on the block, otherwise it would have been mentioned here ad nauseum prior to the event.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
No, Reaves was handed a job unfairly in camp, despite never earning it and being a horrible player, because our GM signed him to a ridiculous contract. Then we traded our other, better >1m 4th line RW in Lafferty to get under the cap. And then we signed the best camp invite to a league minimum contract for the 4th line LW.

Whatever you think about Gregor is irrelevant. Gregor is not the issue. Treliving choosing Reaves ov1er Lafferty for the 4th line RW spot is the issue, and the only reason Gregor has ever come up is because of people trying to desperately avoid acknowledging that issue.
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What is relevant is the fact that Gregor won the job over Lafferty. I doubt there are many that avoid that issue. You are one, there maybe a few others, but I think most people have a good understanding of the issue.
 
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We are on pace for 99 pts and we have played like crap defensively except for last game. Hopefully it is a turning point in the season.
Bertuzzi is really picking it up he has been snake bitten .
Domi He has finally arrived great 3rd line center
Klingberg finally looked relaxed and had a good game
Sammy looked great last game

The only blemish is Reeves but he can be waived 200 thousand against the cap .

Lafferty didn't show anything with us .

In Vancouver he is getting more ice time.

Treliving is learning about our prospects
 
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