Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notbias]

You're right , if you don't have faith then no one should , lol .

funny thing about history is how it keeps getting revised , the majority thought he got a good haul for Tkachuk , hard to to predict Hub's play would go from well over a ppg to 50ish pts

i have no idea what happened with Johnny hockey , if he knew he wouldn't re-sign and kept him then it was a huge fail on his part , chances are he thought he'd re-sign , whether that was just wishful thinking i have no idea . Anyway Johnny's having a shit season so maybe not re-signing him was lucky .

as far as Tre goes the jury's still out

Are you talking about expected trade results? This is hilarious.

What is his xTR/60?

Well no, that is not what happened. Gregor earned a spot on the team. Lafferty was the odd man out. It may turn out to be a bad choice, but there is no conclusion drawn yet. No serious one anyway.

I'd be curious to see the overlap of people thinking Gregor deserved a spot for his pre-season and Malgin did before for having a great camp... I don't think it'll be that big.

Gregor and Lafferty both should have started the season with the Leafs... that is the issue people have.

It was easy to see Reaves shouldn't have been here.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well no, that is not what happened. Gregor earned a spot on the team. Lafferty was the odd man out. It may turn out to be a bad choice, but there is no conclusion drawn yet.

Well no, that is not what happened. Reaves was signed, with the money that was supposed to be allocated to Lafferty. Reaves was handed Lafferty's 4th line RW spot, despite never earning it and being a much worse player. With Reaves on the team, we no longer had the roster spot or cap space for Lafferty, so we traded him, and signed a league minimum player for the LW.

Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why we have Reaves, and not Lafferty, on the team right now. And objectively, we already know it was a horrible decision.
Not only is Reaves more expensive and not only does he have an anchor term that takes him into his very late 30s, but Reaves has been worse than garbage.
Real good case for worst player to step foot on NHL ice this season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Are you talking about expected trade results? This is hilarious.

What is his xTR/60?



I'd be curious to see the overlap of people thinking Gregor deserved a spot for his pre-season and Malgin did before for having a great camp... I don't think it'll be that big.

Gregor and Lafferty both should have started the season with the Leafs... that is the issue people have.

It was easy to see Reaves shouldn't have been here.

No, there was a competition for spot between Gregor and Lafferty Gregor earned the place. If Malgin won a job - good for him, he didn't hold on to it.

Well no, that is not what happened. Reaves was signed, with the money that was supposed to be allocated to Lafferty. Reaves was handed Lafferty's 4th line RW spot, despite never earning it and being a much worse player. With Reaves on the team, we no longer had the roster spot or cap space for Lafferty, so we traded him, and signed a league minimum player for the LW.

Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why we have Reaves, and not Lafferty, on the team right now. And objectively, we already know it was a horrible decision.
Not only is Reaves more expensive and not only does he have an anchor term that takes him into his very late 30s, but Reaves has been worse than garbage.
Real good case for worst player to step foot on NHL ice this season.

That is the same thing you said before. It us still not true. Gregor won the job over Lafferty in camp.

 

[GoonieFace]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

 

[ACC1224]

No, there was a competition for spot between Gregor and Lafferty Gregor earned the place. If Malgin won a job - good for him, he didn't hold on to it.


That is the same thing you said before. It us still not true. Gregor won the job over Lafferty in camp.

It’s remarkable that anyone could see it any other way. Lafferty wasn’t competing with Reaves.
Goon goes out Goon goes in.
4th liner leaves, 4th liner comes in.

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

Insecurity is off the charts. It’s ok to be wrong once in a while.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That is the same thing you said before. It us still not true. Gregor won the job over Lafferty in camp.

That is the same thing you said before. It is still not true. Reaves was handed Lafferty's money in the offseason, and handed Lafferty job (despite never earning it) in camp, which necessitated the move of Lafferty. The league minimum guy we signed for a different position to fill out the roster that could have been here regardless of what else we did has nothing to do with this. It is merely a way for people to try and desperately avoid acknowledging the horrible decision Treliving made to pick Reaves over Lafferty.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That is the same thing you said before. It is still not true. Reaves was handed Lafferty's money in the offseason, and handed Lafferty job (despite never earning it) in camp, which necessitated the move of Lafferty. The league minimum guy we signed for a different position to fill out the roster that could have been here regardless of what else we did has nothing to do with this. It is merely a way for people to try and avoid acknowledging the horrible decision Treliving made to pick Reaves over Lafferty.

Of course it is the same thing I said before. It is what happened.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Of course it is the same thing I said before. It is what happened.

Except it's not. It's avoiding acknowledging what actually happened.
Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. There is no escaping that fact.

 

[Peasy]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

Some people just need something to complain about.

 

[ToneDog]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

Or losing Justin Holl.

 

[notbias]

No, there was a competition for spot between Gregor and Lafferty Gregor earned the place. If Malgin won a job - good for him, he didn't hold on to it.

Funnily enough... Malgin was playing better than Gregor currently is.

But regardless, the only player who didn't earn a spot was Reaves and we lost Lafferty because of it.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Except it's not. It's avoiding acknowledging what actually happened.
Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. There is no escaping that fact.

No, it is completely different than that. I always acknowledge facts.
I don't acknowledge opinions being passed off as fact.

 

[TheRumble]

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

I'm sorry but were you in a diabetic coma when Engvall was still on this team? This forum singled him out as a whipping boy. He was an imperfect bottom sixer who killed penalties, scored about 15 goals and was on a cheap contract but because he didn't play like Eric Lindros everyone here wanted to crucify him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I always acknowledge facts.

Good. The fact is that Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why Reaves is here and Lafferty is not. That was Treliving's decision, and it was bad.

 

[notbias]

Or losing Justin Holl.

No one is upset about Justin Holl... people are upset about his replacement, there is very big difference.

I hope Timmins gets a long look, that is probably what most are hoping for, not being upset over Holl, although he would help our terrible PK.

Some people just need something to complain about.

Were you on this board for the last 5 years?

Imagine getting upset over 2 garbage 4th liners

No one is upset over this... I think people just want the best team, and currently, it starts with sitting Reaves... and that looks like it is happening, so that is a good first step.

It just sucks we lost an NHLer who is better than any replacement player for Reaves because we wanted to carry someone who many people on this board thought would protect our stars...

Anyone complaining just wants the best team and doesn't think we went about it correctly in the offseason... which is pretty evident now.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Funnily enough... Malgin was outplaying Gregor currently.

But regardless, the only player who didn't earn a spot was Reaves and we lost Gregor because of it.

We still have Gregor. He won his spot over Lafferty whom we traded for a 5th round pick. We traded Malgin last December for Dryden Hunt who we latter traded for Radim Zornha.

 

[notbias]

We still have Gregor. He won his spot over Lafferty whom we traded for a 5th round pick. We traded Malgin last December for Dryden Hunt who we latter traded for Radim Zornha.

I edited, I meant we lost Lafferty because we signed Reaves.

Malgin last season was outperforming Gregor this season and people were calling for his head...

It is weird that those same people seem to be defending Gregor and he is playing worse.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Good. The fact is that Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why Reaves is here and Lafferty is not. That was Treliving's decision, and it was bad.

That isn't fact.
The fact is that Gregor won the job over Lafferty. This is a fact that you fail to acknowledge.

 

[Peasy]

Were you on this board for the last 5 years?

Been here a lot longer than you. And the complaining will never end. As I said, people will always find something to complain about.

 

[notbias]

Been here a lot longer than you. And the complaining will never end. As I said, people will always find something to complain about.

Congratulations, you have wasted more time than me.

I agree the complaining won't end.

People genuinely want what is best for the team in my opinion, just often disagree on what, so what is the point of calling out people complaining when they see obvious holes on the team?

 

[Dekes For Days]

The fact is that Gregor won the job over Lafferty.

No, Gregor's league minimum cap hit won, after we needed to trade Lafferty because Treliving chose Reaves over him.
Nothing you're saying, even if it were true, changes the fact that Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty. That's why Reaves is here and Lafferty is not.

 

[notbias]

That isn't fact.
The fact is that Gregor won the job over Lafferty. This is a fact that you fail to acknowledge.

Who did Reaves win a job over? Or was he just handed one? What did he do to be handed one?

This is what people are saying... if Gregor can win a job in training camp, then Reaves won his in free agency (somehow).

There was the option to have a more optimal lineup with Gregor - Kampf - Lafferty, but they chose Reaves.

No one is upset Gregor made the team, people are upset Reaves did.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I edited, I meant we lost Lafferty because we signed Reaves.

Malgin last season was outperforming Gregor this season and people were calling for his head...

It is weird that those same people seem to be defending Gregor and he is playing worse.

He had one more point than Gregor in 8 more games last year - an assist. Malgin was expected to score more and play higher than the fourth line though.

 

[notbias]

He had one more point than Gregor in 8 more games last year - an assist. Malgin was expected to score more and play higher than the fourth line though.

On the 4th line he drove play... our 4th line currently gets caved in every game... that is the big difference.

 

[Leaf Fans]

On the 4th line he drove play... our 4th line currently gets caved in every game... that is the big difference.

They played well last game. Also, I think Keefe trusts them as he puts out the fourth line often after goals.