Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[DarkKnight]

It was a major gaffe. It’s not the end of the world but it showed us what we are getting as a GM.
Anyone who understands where the game is and where it is going knew it was a bad signing. Yet our GM didn’t. That is scary.

It was a minor gaffe by every definition. For the record because I tire of being lectured like I don't get it, here is my post the day we signed him:

• Jul 1, 2023

"It doesn’t matter how intimidating you are if they can’t catch you. Hope I’m wrong, but he’s too old, a fourth line boat anchor that drops the gloves isn’t what we need, we need grit and toughness that can play. Yikes."

My opinion only softened when it sunk in that we can bury the contract if he turns out to be a bust. And here we are, how will this organization possibly survive? Give me a break.

 

[thusk]

It doesn't prevent anything. That's a myth. In fact, this game was a perfect example of it. They did the hit. Giordano responded. They did it again 10 minutes later.
And somehow your conclusion from that is that it prevents hits.

Why are you cherry picking some arbitrary 20 minutes that starts long after the 1st fight and after Vancouver has already responded to the second fight with a goal, and ends long before the game is finished?

Not only are you attempting to apply unsubstantiated causation to an incredibly weak and manufactured correlation again, but how you separated these timeframes is also wildly misleading. For the record, we were outshot 4-2 in the 10 minutes following the 2nd Vancouver goal. If we're going to argue any momentum shift, it's pretty clear what caused it - Nylander scoring and tying the game. Then we started pushing and getting shots on, and then Gregor scored.

We should have been better during that portion of the game, regardless of the fight, since the 2nd period is usually our best, and we were down in the game and had to push thanks to the fights, but we actually weren't until Nylander scored. That's not helping your case.

Go ahead lets talk alone, sure a guy would never played a team sport at any serious level of his life know those kind of thing better than anyone...

 

[cyris]

It was a minor gaffe by every definition. For the record because I tire of being lectured like I don't get it, here is my post the day we signed him:

• Jul 1, 2023

"It doesn’t matter how intimidating you are if they can’t catch you. Hope I’m wrong, but he’s too old, a fourth line boat anchor that drops the gloves isn’t what we need, we need grit and toughness that can play. Yikes."

My opinion only softened when it sunk in that we can bury the contract if he turns out to be a bust. And here we are, how will this organization possibly survive? Give me a break.

I changed the wording of my post after you quoted it but before you responded. But anyway.

The Reeves deal isn’t the end of the world. It in itself won’t sink the team. Hell some other GM might be as out of touch as ours and take the deal from us.
But it highlights that our new GM has a flawed idea of where the game is going

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Domi and Klingberg look better lately. Reaves seems to be a writeoff sadly. Still not sure who or what Bertuzzi is supposed to be on this teams.

 

[hotpaws]

It was a gaffe. Maybe not a major one but it showed that our GM is somewhat out of touch. It’s not the end of the world but it showed us what we are getting as a GM.
Anyone who understands where the game is and where it is going knew it was a bad signing. Yet our GM didn’t. That is scary.

It was a small gaffe because he's washed and never was much of a player , not because the game has gone away from big physical players . There's always been room for small skilled players and while it's easier for smaller guys to play now you still can only have so many .

When the playoffs start and the intensity/physicality ramps up , the open ice disappears along with the effectiveness of many of the small guys .

 

[DarkKnight]

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I changed the wording of my post after you quoted it but before you responded. But anyway.

The Reeves deal isn’t the end of the world. It in itself won’t sink the team. Hell some other GM might be as out of touch as ours and take the deal from us.
But it highlights that our new GM has a flawed idea of where the game is going

The jury is out on Treliving. I like some moves, others no. I agreed the team needed more "snot", to me he represented a commonly held league wide belief that we are soft and easy to play against.

 

[sxvnert]

I changed the wording of my post after you quoted it but before you responded. But anyway.

The Reeves deal isn’t the end of the world. It in itself won’t sink the team. Hell some other GM might be as out of touch as ours and take the deal from us.
But it highlights that our new GM has a flawed idea of where the game is going

Its the classic zag to separate himself from the previous gm. Luckily it didn't come at a major cost.

 

[DarkKnight]

Domi and Klingberg look better lately. Reaves seems to be a writeoff sadly. Still not sure who or what Bertuzzi is supposed to be on this teams.

Bertuzzi isn't a concern for me, it was the same take I have with Domi. Known quantities, good playoff performances last year, it's just a matter of settling in. Bertuzzi's game will become more and more relevant as the season progresses and the hockey gets tighter, he's tailor made for tough hockey. He just hasn't settled in yet, this is a team with many go to guys, his role isn't entirely defined but it will be come March.

 

[kb]

I've consistently been the most handsome poster here for years.

Its the classic zag to separate himself from the previous gm. Luckily it didn't come at a major cost.

How is this a zag? This has been 100% disproven dozens of times. There was Matt Martin, Kyle Clifford, Wayne Simmonds. Luke Schenn,,.....

 

[cyris]

It was a small gaffe because he's washed and never was much of a player , not because the game has gone away from big physical players . There's always been room for small skilled players and while it's easier for smaller guys to play now you still can only have so many .

When the playoffs start and the intensity/physicality ramps up , the open ice disappears along with the effectiveness of many of the small guys .

There is and always will be a place for physical players in this league. But the classic “enforcer” who can’t actually play is all but extinct.
There is no place for these guys in the game today. You have to be able to help your team in other ways when you are on the ice. That was never Reaves.

 

[cyris]

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The jury is out on Treliving. I like some moves, others no. I agreed the team needed more "snot", to me he represented a commonly held league wide belief that we are soft and easy to play against.

I agree completely. We definitely needed to add some players who not only weren’t afraid when the game turned ugly but wanted to turn it that way themselves.

I do believe you need the right mix overall though. Domi and Bertuzzi are showing signs of life on the 2nd and 3rd line but that leaves us with a middle 6 that isn’t great defensively. For that to work we need a 4th line that is great defensively which we saw a bit last night

 

[hotpaws]

There is and always will be a place for physical players in this league. But the classic “enforcer” who can’t actually play is all but extinct.
There is no place for these guys in the game today. You have to be able to help your team in other ways when you are on the ice. That was never Reaves.

the 4 min a game fighter died years ago but Reaves could provide a physical presence , that was a few years ago however

it was a bad signing but it doesn't mean Tre's clueless like you were alluding

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

It was a gaffe. Maybe not a major one but it showed that our GM is somewhat out of touch. It’s not the end of the world but it showed us what we are getting as a GM.
Anyone who understands where the game is and where it is going knew it was a bad signing. Yet our GM didn’t. That is scary.

Yep. All that needs to be said.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

They did the hit. Giordano responded. They did it again 10 minutes later.
And somehow your conclusion from that is that it prevents hits.

Lmfao idk why it’s so funny just seeing it laid out in such a matter of fact way

 

[Martin Skoula]

Lmfao idk why it’s so funny just seeing it laid out in such a matter of fact way

You can also flip it around and see how absurd it sounds. If someone on our team bailed on a hit because they’re afraid of Lucic that would be proof that they’re a bunch of spineless cowards. But at the same time grizzled veterans on the other team are supposed to be afraid of hitting our guys because of Reaves.

 

[Evilhomer]

You can also flip it around and see how absurd it sounds. If someone on our team bailed on a hit because they’re afraid of Lucic that would be proof that they’re a bunch of spineless cowards. But at the same time grizzled veterans on the other team are supposed to be afraid of hitting our guys because of Reaves.

The idea that any NHL player is afraid of contact or, even better, the potential to be hit by a guy that can't even catch them, is pretty silly.

 

[Magic Man]

Bertuzzi in for Bunting and Domi in for Kerfoot seem like hits to me. Gregor in for Aston-Reese is a good move.

Reaves in for Lafferty is a disaster. Klingberg in for Schenn makes me want to cry. Kampf in for Acciari is acceptable, but disappointing.

Losing Acciari, Schenn, Lafferty and ROR were rather big losses. They had a few gritty guys that fit finally and ROR slid in there like a glove.

It looks like he turned a good, gritty defensive team into a team with defensive leaks. The good news is that without Reaves and Klingberg it's not that far off from last years team with key developments from young players.

 

[ACC1224]

Bertuzzi in for Bunting and Domi in for Kerfoot seem like hits to me. Gregor in for Aston-Reese is a good move.

Reaves in for Lafferty is a disaster. Klingberg in for Schenn makes me want to cry. Kampf in for Acciari is acceptable, but disappointing.

Losing Acciari, Schenn, Lafferty and ROR were rather big losses. They had a few gritty guys that fit finally and ROR slid in there like a glove.

It looks like he turned a good, gritty defensive team into a team with defensive leaks. The good news is that without Reaves and Klingberg it's not that far off from last years team with key developments from young players.

Reaves replaced Simmonds, washed up goon for washed up goon.

Gregor replaced Lafferty which s pretty much a wash.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Bertuzzi in for Bunting and Domi in for Kerfoot seem like hits to me. Gregor in for Aston-Reese is a good move.

Reaves in for Lafferty is a disaster. Klingberg in for Schenn makes me want to cry. Kampf in for Acciari is acceptable, but disappointing.

Losing Acciari, Schenn, Lafferty and ROR were rather big losses. They had a few gritty guys that fit finally and ROR slid in there like a glove.

It looks like he turned a good, gritty defensive team into a team with defensive leaks. The good news is that without Reaves and Klingberg it's not that far off from last years team with key developments from young players.

We had no chance of keeping ROR. That was obvious from the get go. He was a pure rental.

Luke Schenn is injured and not playing, so I doubt he'd be helping us.

I'm not sure (I am sure) why Lafferty gets so much love on these boards, but OK let's say he is a massive loss.

With the way Acciari is spoke about on these boards I thought, yeah he must be another massive loss. So I looked up his performances this season with the Penguins. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. What in the actual f***?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

It was a gaffe. Maybe not a major one but it showed that our GM is somewhat out of touch. It’s not the end of the world but it showed us what we are getting as a GM.
Anyone who understands where the game is and where it is going knew it was a bad signing. Yet our GM didn’t. That is scary.

The concerning part is that it was the ONLY move where he had confidence in betting on himself and/or his abilities.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

We had no chance of keeping ROR. That was obvious from the get go. He was a pure rental.

Luke Schenn is injured and not playing, so I doubt he'd be helping us.

I'm not sure (I am sure) why Lafferty gets so much love on these boards, but OK let's say he is a massive loss.

With the way Acciari is spoke about on these boards I thought, yeah he must be another massive loss. So I looked up his performances this season with the Penguins. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. What in the actual f***?

Schenn having zero effect (because he is injured) sadly would still be producing a positive effect (ie we are better off at null than the negative some are causing).

 

[arso40]

Reaves replaced Simmonds, washed up goon for washed up goon.

Gregor replaced Lafferty which s pretty much a wash.

Reeves Simmonds two different type of players Simmonds was a former skill player and a better leaf not even close

 

[hotpaws]

We had no chance of keeping ROR. That was obvious from the get go. He was a pure rental.

Luke Schenn is injured and not playing, so I doubt he'd be helping us.

I'm not sure (I am sure) why Lafferty gets so much love on these boards, but OK let's say he is a massive loss.

With the way Acciari is spoke about on these boards I thought, yeah he must be another massive loss. So I looked up his performances this season with the Penguins. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. What in the actual f***?

Yup ROR didn't want to come back and as much as everyone wanted Schenn to re-sign but i doubt anyone wanted to give him the 8.25m over 3 he got from the Preds , he's also been injured for the entire season so far as you mentioned .

Laff and Acciari are dime a dozen , the latter is at 2m x 3yrs and is turning 32 in a couple of weeks .

So basically we're not missing anything that we could have realistically signed from last years team .

 

[Sypher04]

Bertuzzi, Domi, Knies & Robertson is a big change up front that I think will only be positive over the longer haul of the season. Our top 9 is very deep.

4th line & D needs work, as does PK.

Goaltending should improve as the D does

 

[Sypher04]

We are currently 7th last in GA/g (3.53)
If the 4th line had only allowed 3 goals at this point instead of 11, we’d be 12th best (3.00)

And that’s still with an abysmal 72% pk (5th last)

Our problem areas are very clear which is at least nice because that means they should get addressed