Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[thusk]

I know exactly how things work on the ice, and that performative theater to satiate the vocal minority didn't really change our energy level at all.
In fact, we had two fights in the 1st, and got outshot 12-4 and outscored 2-1. The main thing it did was cause two goals against that we had to overcome.
You're using confirmation bias to apply a causation that there's zero evidence of.

It was not the team's best game at all. It was Samsonov's best game, and the 4th line's best game because they sat Reaves.

Yeah for sure thats why every player or retired player, coach and everyone around hockey world just always repeat about how important team spirit and protecting each other are extremely important. How much energy thats bringing on the ice when thats happening...

but you from your couch behind your tv, computer or phone, youre able to understand whats all those people that they experimented it dont understand...

 

[Clark4Ever]

Emotions do play a role in hockey. Ask 100 pro players and they'd all agree.

Absolutely. Even in the modern game, a timely scrap can change the momentum of a game. We've seen it happen many times before.

 

[DarkKnight]

Because the vocal minority of Leaf fans clamouring for that are stuck decades in the past, think "grit" and "toughness" do things that they do not (and use confirmation bias to solidify that view like you do in this very post), and often just parrot a hockey media that's learned to exploit that viewpoint for controversy and clicks.

We didn't win this game because Giordano and Domi threw a few slaps around. We won despite Giordano and Domi costing us 2 goals against, and a big part of us winning was choosing to sit our "grit" in Reaves. Our 4th line became playable, and they scored 2 goals.

And none of this has anything to do with Tampa.

Your arrogance, when you’ve literally been the most consistently wrong poster on here for years, is beyond amusing. It’s truly remarkable to me. Cheers.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Emotions do play a role in hockey.

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Yeah for sure thats why every player or retired player, coach and everyone around hockey world just always repeated about how important team spirit and protecting each other are extremely important.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

Your arrogance, when you’ve literally been the most consistently wrong poster on here for years is beyond amusing.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

 

[DarkKnight]

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

Actually please do go back to the Reaves signing, look at my opinion. You'll see I wasn't a fan at all. My only evolution there was accepting once we realized most of this deal could be buried if it failed, minimal risk there. Nice try though junior. Swing and a miss.

The fact you think you've been right these years is the perfect rebuttal, it illustrates exactly my point. Hubris is a hindrance. Anyways, back to reality for me.

 

[thusk]

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

It was not about throwing punch but about protecting your teammate after dangerous hit who could injured kampf and robertson seriously

Your working in compagny A where you having colleague who will come help you when you're in trouble and where everyone trying to help everyone even if youre making mistake
Vs
compagny B where your colleague let you deal with your own problem and who will gonna blame you when you will make a mistake

Do you think you will have the same productivity and energy in compagny A and B? I guarantee you will be even more productive in compagny A than B and its not even close, its the same thing in hockey.

 

[GoonieFace]

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

I just wanted to say thank you. Whenever I am having a bad day or just feeling down, I can come here, read your posts, and have a good laugh. It’s the best medicine

 

[Dekes For Days]

Actually please do go back to the Reaves signing, look at my opinion. You'll see I wasn't a fan at all.

For somebody that "wasn't a fan at all", you sure did a lot of pumping him up and bragging about him in the early season based on a couple fights, while criticizing anybody who recognized the horrific rest of his play. You don't have the high ground you think you do here, to call others wrong and arrogant.

The fact you think you've been right these years is the perfect rebuttal, it illustrates exactly my point. Hubris is a hindrance.

The fact that I've ended up right on most things over the years isn't hubris. It's just how things have played out, and it's not that hard to do when you base your positions on supported facts, instead of narratives and fairy tales.

It was not about throwing punch but about protecting your teammate after dangerous hit who could injured kampf and robertson seriously

They weren't injured, and fighting doesn't protect anything. They would have still been hit whether we fought after or not.
It's one of many things that can have slight impacts on in-game emotion, and one of many things that can have slight impacts on building team camaraderie, but you're putting way, way too much emphasis on its impact on game outcomes (and especially this game outcome) based on absolutely nothing but your own desire for it to be true. I'm sure Kampf and Robertson appreciated it, but it had no meaningful impact on energy level, it didn't swing any momentum, we got outshot and outplayed directly surrounding it and throughout the game, and it directly led to two goals against. It's not remotely why we won.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

Lol

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[IPS]

For somebody that "wasn't a fan at all", you sure did a lot of pumping him up and bragging about him in the early season based on a couple fights, while criticizing anybody who recognized the horrific rest of his play. You don't have the high ground you think you do here, to call others wrong and arrogant.

Supporting a player for doing good things for a couple games = / = you've supported the player and the signing unequivocally from the moment it was done.

Do you intentionally use this "logic" to just annoy people or do you actually believe it?

 

[Gabriel426]

The fights was a sign that the team got each other backs. Even if we lose last night game, it is still a positive step toward playing as a pack and that’s what all Cup Champs do.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Supporting a player for doing good things for a couple games = / = you've supported the player and the signing unequivocally from the moment it was done.

Repeatedly bragging about and pumping up a player that wasn't playing well, and criticizing and making fun of anybody that justifiably criticizes his play =/= "not a fan at all".
I mean, I don't really care. Everybody is wrong once in a while, and I've gotten used to people having horrible takes around here. But if somebody is going to go around throwing stones and false, vague accusations and insults at people who have been correct way more than them, expect the glass house they're standing in to be pointed out.

 

[Gallagbi]

Emotions do play a role in hockey. Ask 100 pro players and they'd all agree.

They do, but its not in isolation and not always positive as we should be well aware of with Bunting/Kadri/Clifford recently. As Leafs fans we see a fight and cheer. On the opposite side last night we had Vancouver make 2 big hits, respond to 2 fights, and then score on the PP. They also showed emotion and (arguably more) gained momentum.

Im fine with the fights, I think Domi could have planned his better to avoid the instigator, but lets not pretend we won because of a fight. We played a responsible game with an engaged group. When that happens, we win more often than not

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

You're right that emotions play a role in hockey. You're wrong in thinking that fighting is the only way to insert emotion into a hockey game, and wrong in the amount of influence on outcomes that you attribute to it.

Well first, you haven't talked to every player, retired player, coach, and person involved in the hockey world. You've primarily listened to media personalities that have learned to exploit your viewpoint, and even they wouldn't go to the extent you have. Yes, team camaraderie is important. No, team camaraderie is not just punching faces, and you're attributing an unjustified amount of impact to it. We did not win this game because we fought. We've won more games not fighting and the fights in this game significantly hurt us, so it's a weird position to take.

How ironic that people refusing to accept anything other than their own viewpoint that they can't justify are calling others arrogant.
I've consistently been one of the most correct posters on here for years, because I actually support and justify the positions I take.
In fact, you were the one in here bragging about how amazing of a signing Reaves was.
Amusing indeed.

I respect your tireless work dispelling the grit simping and old fart narratives. “The Leafs won because they finally stuck up for one another!” It’s like believing in Santa

Every NHL team wants to win. Every NHL team sticks up for each other. Every NHL game is extremely physical and intense and emotional. Yes, these things exist. No, these are not factors that differentiate NHL hockey teams from one another. We can stop talking talk about them and talk about the stuff that you know, happened in the game.

I’m confused every time some bozo drops the “do you even play hockey?” Like, if you’ve actually played hockey (and not sucked complete ass) I’d think you’d be more likely to appreciate the things that actually determine the outcome the game such as skill, hands, IQ, dangling, passing, shooting, creativity, skating techniques, possession, out-chancing the opposition, tactics, player deployment, luck, etc. I definitely wouldn’t call someone a nerd if they wanted to focus on any of these things instead of the theoretical morale boost from the two worst players on each team punching each other’s visor for 20 seconds and then exiting the playing surface for 5+ minutes.

 

[horner]

The fights was a sign that the team got each other backs. Even if we lose last night game, it is still a positive step toward playing as a pack and that’s what all Cup Champs do.

They are coming together as a team.
It took 15 gms to get the team to gel .
This is the reason you want to lay the ground work for the season not at the deadline.

Last year we added so many players it was crazy.
Add some depth for the playoffs

If we are going to add a dman hopefully it will be early January.

 

[Gabriel426]

They are coming together as a team.
It took 15 gms to get the team to gel .
This is the reason you want to lay the ground work for the season not at the deadline.

Last year we added so many players it was crazy.
Add some depth for the playoffs

If we are going to add a dman hopefully it will be early January.

Also no more rentals if the player had no intention or team got no cap to resign them, better to not trade for him.

 

[thusk]

For somebody that "wasn't a fan at all", you sure did a lot of pumping him up and bragging about him in the early season based on a couple fights, while criticizing anybody who recognized the horrific rest of his play. You don't have the high ground you think you do here, to call others wrong and arrogant.

The fact that I've ended up right on most things over the years isn't hubris. It's just how things have played out, and it's not that hard to do when you base your positions on supported facts, instead of narratives and fairy tales.

They weren't injured, and fighting doesn't protect anything. They would have still been hit whether we fought after or not.
It's one of many things that can have slight impacts on in-game emotion, and one of many things that can have slight impacts on building team camaraderie, but you're putting way, way too much emphasis on its impact on game outcomes (and especially this game outcome) based on absolutely nothing but your own desire for it to be true. I'm sure Kampf and Robertson appreciated it, but it had no meaningful impact on energy level, it didn't swing any momentum, we got outshot and outplayed directly surrounding it and throughout the game, and it directly led to two goals against. It's not remotely why we won.

Thats sending message if your giving up dangerous hit, you will need to respond and your act so yes at the end thats protecting your teammate by preventing some of those hit.

2- and youre like number shot or whatever... just watch those shot from the end of domi penalty until gregor goal. During those 20 minutes leafs outshoot vancouver 11-6, during that 20 minutes, they played 5:37 on pk and 23 second at 3v5. 40 minutes remaining vancouver outshot leafs 27- 11. It was easily the best 20 minutes leafs played defensivly with the higher intensity they played all year long...surprise thats started exactly at the key momebt we talking about... but yeah for sure thats didn't created a momemtum change and changed absolutly nothing, youre right

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

I've consistently been the most handsome poster here for years.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I know exactly how things work on the ice, and that performative theater to satiate the vocal minority didn't really change our energy level at all.
In fact, we had two fights in the 1st, and got outshot 12-4 and outscored 2-1. The main thing it did was cause two goals against that we had to overcome.
You're using confirmation bias to apply a causation that there's zero evidence of.

It was not the team's best game at all. It was Samsonov's best game, and the 4th line's best game because they sat Reaves.

I was a big supporter of the reeves signing, an I still am.

 

[DarkKnight]

I know the fights meant nothing because all the players said it meant a lot after the game. What do they know.

If cluelessness thinks you're wrong, doesn't that suggest you're right.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I know the fights meant nothing because all the players said it meant a lot after the game. What do they know.

If cluelessness thinks you're wrong, doesn't that suggest you're right.

Keefe gave credit to Gio and Domi as well saying about the fights: “The game works in funny ways. To me, we built up some good karma through guys sticking together stepping up with big moments, and getting the crowd involved.”
Implying that there are forces at work in the game dynamic that are unpredictable and beyond conventional analysis.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Thats sending message if your giving up dangerous hit, you will need to respond and your act so yes at the end thats protecting your teammate by preventing some of those hit.

It doesn't prevent anything. That's a myth. In fact, this game was a perfect example of it. They did the hit. Giordano responded. They did it again 10 minutes later.
And somehow your conclusion from that is that it prevents hits.

just watch those shot from the end of domi penalty until gregor goal. During those 20 minutes leafs outshoot vancouver 11-6

Why are you cherry picking some arbitrary 20 minutes that starts long after the 1st fight and after Vancouver has already responded to the second fight with a goal, and ends long before the game is finished?

Not only are you attempting to apply unsubstantiated causation to an incredibly weak and manufactured correlation again, but how you separated these timeframes is also wildly misleading. For the record, we were outshot 4-2 in the 10 minutes following the 2nd Vancouver goal. If we're going to argue any momentum shift, it's pretty clear what caused it - Nylander scoring and tying the game. Then we started pushing and getting shots on, and then Gregor scored.

We should have been better during that portion of the game, regardless of the fight, since the 2nd period is usually our best, and we were down in the game and had to push thanks to the fights, but we actually weren't until Nylander scored. That's not helping your case.

 

[cyris]

I know the fights meant nothing because all the players said it meant a lot after the game. What do they know.

If cluelessness thinks you're wrong, doesn't that suggest you're right.

Fighting still very much has a place in the modern game.
Useless players that can’t do anything but fight and most opponents refuse to fight don’t.

I definitely believe Gio and Domi standing up for their teammates gave the team a lot of positive energy. But if Reeves plays last night we lose that game.
It was the 4th lines best game of the season and that was because they didn’t have to carry a useless teammate.

 

[DarkKnight]

Fighting still very much has a place in the modern game.
Useless players that can’t do anything but fight and most opponents refuse to fight don’t.

I definitely believe Gio and Domi standing up for their teammates gave the team a lot of positive energy. But if Reeves plays last night we lose that game.
It was the 4th lines best game of the season and that was because they didn’t have to carry a useless teammate.

Okay sure, so?

Before he was benched I said he played his last game. So what does that have to do with what I'm saying, how is that remotely relevant to my pointing out what the team said after last night's game?

Most of the reason I even mentioned Reaves is just to retort all the moronic commentary like this minor signing was dooming the entire franchise. He sucks, you take him out and bury all but a couple hundred grand. Instead, here, it's treated like a major gaffe by people trying to torpedo the GM, it's boring and I respond. I didn't even want Reaves, said it was a bad move the day we signed him, but I laugh at the obsessive focus on the most BIT position on the team. Anyways, I like McCann, hopefully he sticks, he's got grit, which is ironic.

 

[cyris]

Okay sure, so?

Before he was benched I said he played his last game. So what does that have to do with what I'm saying, how is that remotely relevant to my pointing out what the team said after last night's game?

Most of the reason I even mentioned Reaves is just to retort all the moronic commentary like this minor signing was dooming the entire franchise. He sucks, you take him out and bury all but a couple hundred grand. Instead, here, it's treated like a major gaffe by people trying to torpedo the GM, it's boring and I respond. I didn't even want Reaves, said it was a bad move the day we signed him, but I laugh at the obsessive focus on the most BIT position on the team. Anyways, I like McCann, hopefully he sticks, he's got grit, which is ironic.

It was a gaffe. Maybe not a major one but it showed that our GM is somewhat out of touch. It’s not the end of the world but it showed us what we are getting as a GM.
Anyone who understands where the game is and where it is going knew it was a bad signing. Yet our GM didn’t. That is scary.