Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Strangle]

I heard Dumba wanted nothing to do with Canada.

This seems to be the answer for every player in the league lol

I don’t know where people hear this about so many players

 

[Strangle]

That isn't a luxury this team has because we have lopsided contracts where 4 players eat half the cap because everyone is of the opinion that we need to sign Willy to whatever he wants.

Want a good goalie? We can't afford it.

Want a few solid defenseman? We can't afford it.

Want some solid depth pieces? Nevermind. We can't afford it.

Our summers will always consist of a string of depth pieces being shuffled out and bunch of cheap new pieces either looking to cash in to big contracts or trying to reinvent themselves for a year stint in Toronto. So far under Dubas, he was able to make that work. This year? It's finally bit us in the ass.

I absolutely HATE our contract structure which results in shit team chemistry of haves' and have nots. Drafting Matthews has led us down the wrong path here. We have a team consisting of a few diva's who are our leaders, they ask for the moon in payment to stay here and the rest of the team are poverty commoners of the NHL. It's no wonder that this team doesn't stand up for itself.

I'm over it.


He's right.

Tavares signing for 11 put a price tag on Matthew's ask. Which fueled Marner and Nylander's contracts and made us a top heavy contract team that now consists of have and have nots. Everything wrong with this current team's attitude and cap build can be traced back to signing Tavares. Making him the captain just put a stamp on it.

Tavares is not captain material and he's certainly not worth 11. Even in today's price tag. He's realistically 9 or 10. Max. But we need to over pay our stars by 1-2 mil each to get them to stay and I'm over that.

Tavares and Nylander seem to be pretty comparable, production-wise. And Tavares is a center.

If Nylander is worth $10+ I can’t understand any argument where Tavares isn’t as well.

Here are their stats, compared from 2017 (Nylanders 2nd season) to this year

 

[myleafs]

Tre big mistake was signing Klinberg .. dude is killing team every game .. if our D was better we would have 10 wins now and no one would care about Reaves play .. which has been dog sh*t too .. but he does have a solid policing role .. he will prove valuable .. bottom line no NHL team can play with 3 D

first 2 games yes but since then, nothing nada zilch.He has proven, so far, to be the opposite of valuable. Its not like he has been average and could be a bit better, he has been brutal and proven to be a hindrance, an anchor. I like Reaves and if he played like he did those first 2 games I would be happy with that but he is very very very close to being out of the nhl unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and becomes Reaves from 10 yrs ago or you know throw a hit now and again or be a p.o.s. on the ice when the team needs him to be. Just do something/anything of value.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

You just described the third line. Because if you think the third line is gonna be a scoring machine or offensive prowess expect to remain disappointed.

I have no idea what you are saying. I just described my idea of a 4th line and didn’t once mention offense or scoring

 

[myleafs]

If I were Keefe I wouldn't give Reaves a regular shift. I would instead slot him in the first or second line irregularly as needed especially after the other team takes liberties. And then ask either Willy or Marner to double shift the 4th line. Reaves would play maybe 6-8 shifts a game. A tool you use when you need to send messages or light a fire up the team's ass with a hit or crash the net or rough people up after the whistle.

This shouldn't be hard ffs.

I agree and would take it a step further...Why not use him on the 2nd pp or the 1st if they are struggling and slot him right in front of the net Byfuglien style.

Sean Avery (i know i know) talking about Reaves and he said its pretty simple...when Reaves is on the ice his line should just dump it in and hit people, and fight when you need to. Its not rocket surgery.

 

[Drytoast]

I have no idea what you are saying. I just described my idea of a 4th line and didn’t once mention offense or scoring

Our third line wasn't built for scoring.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I agree and would take it a step further...Why not use him on the 2nd pp or the 1st if they are struggling and slot him right in front of the net Byfuglien style.

Sean Avery (i know i know) talking about Reaves and he said its pretty simple...when Reaves is on the ice his line should just dump it in and hit people, and fight when you need to. Its not rocket surgery.

I would take it even a step further, if we have problems clearing the crease why don’t we make Reaves our starting goalie?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I agree and would take it a step further...Why not use him on the 2nd pp or the 1st if they are struggling and slot him right in front of the net Byfuglien style.

Idk. Shit hands. Shit IQ. Shit skating. Shit balance. No production anywhere ever. Do you think being a good net front player is just being a fat guy? Lol

Sean Avery (i know i know) talking about Reaves and he said its pretty simple...when Reaves is on the ice his line should just dump it in and hit people, and fight when you need to. Its not rocket surgery.

Isn’t this what he’s doing right now? He’s going out there and hitting people. If by some miracle he has possession of the puck at the red line he’s dumping it in. Fought a couple times. So what’s the problem?

 

[LeafEgo]

The only blemish you can stamp on Tre's performance so far is the one million in lost long term cap space between Kampf and Reaves. Potentially some of that is mitigated by an increase in buriable contract value.

The rest of his moves have been prudent, and disparaging them is not appreciating the reality we are in. It's important to note we are no longer a high potential dynasty - that opportunity was destroyed. We are retooling to salvage what is left in due time - so far, the strategy has been creative.

We are actually a stronger playoff team today then we were 365 days ago.

 

[myleafs]

Idk. Shit hands. Shit IQ. Shit skating. Shit balance. No production anywhere ever. Do you think being a good net front player is just being a fat guy? Lol


Isn’t this what he’s doing right now? He’s going out there and hitting people. If by some miracle he has possession of the puck at the red line he’s dumping it in. Fought a couple times. So what’s the problem?

im just looking for a way to get something out of him..build his confidence, breath a little life into him.

No he is not hitting people. Other than the first 2 games where he threw a few big hits and fought a couple times he has done nothing close to that so yea, thats the problem.

 

[hockeywiz542]

When Flames face Maple Leafs, Treliving’s legacy will be seen on both sides of ice

As his current and former teams get set to clash on Friday, Brad Treliving is facing heat from two fanbases. For choices that once heralded him a hero, writes Eric Francis, he's now on the hot seat.

www.sportsnet.ca

Treliving managed to ink free agents Max Domi, Tyler Bertuzzi and John Klingberg to reasonable contracts as the allure of playing in Toronto trumped beefier offers elsewhere.

No, it hasn’t worked out as of yet, but the rationale behind each signing had Leafs fans plenty pumped in the summer.

Sounds familiar.

Comes with the territory – one day you’re the GOAT, next day you’re the goat.

Known league-wide for his work ethic and passion, you don’t pour nine years of your life into a team and a city without caring deeply about what you’ve built and the people you built it with.

Treliving continues to keep close tabs on the Flames, its prospects, staffers and various other contacts in town.

He had rushed to Chris Snow’s side to say his goodbyes last month, was front and centre at his funeral, and continues to stay in touch with wife Kelsie.

His family’s home is still in Calgary, his cabin is in B.C. and he’ll forever maintain ties to the West, while investing endless sweat equity into running the nation’s highest profile club.

Eventually, one assumes, he’ll have to address his team’s goaltending deficiencies, deal one of his core stars, add depth to the bottom six and get the Leafs over the hump many people have waited for since 1967.

It’s a different set of issues than he dealt with in Calgary, and a heightened level of scrutiny.

Controversies, crises and criticism will come and go.

In the end, he’ll deal with it all the same way – with hard work, plenty of personality and a knack for knowing when to speak and when to say silent.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You guys miss Holl yet? Some here are still too proud to appreciate what he brought. It wasn't always pretty, but he was a workhorse, especially on the PK

No I do not, maybe Klingberg hasn't worked out, but I assure you from the bottom of my heart I do not, and never will miss Holl.

He would not fix this PK either let's be honest

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

It's going to cost too much to rebuild the defense. If an elite goalie becomes available we should be all over it though.

 

[Leafsfan74]

When Flames face Maple Leafs, Treliving’s legacy will be seen on both sides of ice

As his current and former teams get set to clash on Friday, Brad Treliving is facing heat from two fanbases. For choices that once heralded him a hero, writes Eric Francis, he's now on the hot seat.

www.sportsnet.ca

Treliving managed to ink free agents Max Domi, Tyler Bertuzzi and John Klingberg to reasonable contracts as the allure of playing in Toronto trumped beefier offers elsewhere.

No, it hasn’t worked out as of yet, but the rationale behind each signing had Leafs fans plenty pumped in the summer.

Sounds familiar.

Comes with the territory – one day you’re the GOAT, next day you’re the goat.

Known league-wide for his work ethic and passion, you don’t pour nine years of your life into a team and a city without caring deeply about what you’ve built and the people you built it with.

Treliving continues to keep close tabs on the Flames, its prospects, staffers and various other contacts in town.

He had rushed to Chris Snow’s side to say his goodbyes last month, was front and centre at his funeral, and continues to stay in touch with wife Kelsie.

His family’s home is still in Calgary, his cabin is in B.C. and he’ll forever maintain ties to the West, while investing endless sweat equity into running the nation’s highest profile club.

Eventually, one assumes, he’ll have to address his team’s goaltending deficiencies, deal one of his core stars, add depth to the bottom six and get the Leafs over the hump many people have waited for since 1967.

It’s a different set of issues than he dealt with in Calgary, and a heightened level of scrutiny.

Controversies, crises and criticism will come and go.

In the end, he’ll deal with it all the same way – with hard work, plenty of personality and a knack for knowing when to speak and when to say silent.

Sports fans, especially Leafs fans; enjoy the excitement of a shiny new object or two to play with. Instead of being honest about the playoff failures and lack of intangibles with this core.

Rotating in new band members doesn't work if your guitarist can't play on the big stage. Addition by subtraction was needed, it didn't happen, which ensures this teams playoff futility continues. They won't be able to ice a better team than they did against Florida.

Hey, I hope I am wrong

 

[Dekes For Days]

It was not a mistake,

They are defensive mistakes, and if you look through any game instead of just cherry picking highlights from one side in one game, you'd find the same thing. You also seem to be making a mistake in thinking that good defensive positioning always means desperately chasing down the player with the puck and leaving trailers wide open when you have equal or greater numbers back.

But most importantly, none of this is "intangibles", and it's not the main difference between Tampa getting knocked out and winning the cup.

 

[thusk]

They are defensive mistakes, and if you look through any game instead of just cherry picking highlights from one side in one game, you'd find the same thing. You also seem to be making a mistake in thinking that good defensive positioning always means desperately chasing down the player with the puck and leaving trailers wide open when you have equal or greater numbers back.

But most importantly, none of this is "intangibles", and it's not the main difference between Tampa getting knocked out and winning the cup.

So explain me why pratically big majority of leafs fan asking to add player with grit because considerated like too soft and why fans are reacting so much on non-action on liljegren injury if those intangible dont change nothing like you said?

Do you think the way gio and domi reacted didn't had any impact on yesterday game except the 2 goal against. No that changed everything in that game, thats changed the dynamic.. its whats Intangible was bringing...

 

[Dekes For Days]

So explain me why pratically big majority of leafs fan asking to add player with grit because considerated like too soft and why fans are reacting so much on non-action on liljegren injury if those intangible dont change nothing like you said?
Do you think the way gio and domi reacted didn't had any impact on yesterday game except the 2 goal against.

Because the vocal minority of Leaf fans clamouring for that are stuck decades in the past, think "grit" and "toughness" do things that they do not (and use confirmation bias to solidify that view like you do in this very post), and often just parrot a hockey media that's learned to exploit that viewpoint for controversy and clicks.

We didn't win this game because Giordano and Domi threw a few slaps around. We won despite Giordano and Domi costing us 2 goals against, and a big part of us winning was choosing to sit our "grit" in Reaves. Our 4th line became playable, and they scored 2 goals.

And none of this has anything to do with Tampa.

 

[IPS]

Because the vocal minority of Leaf fans clamouring for that are stuck decades in the past, think "grit" and "toughness" do things that they do not (and use confirmation bias to solidify that view like you do in this very post), and often just parrot a hockey media that's learned to exploit that viewpoint for controversy and clicks.

We didn't win this game because Giordano and Domi threw a few slaps around. We won despite Giordano and Domi costing us 2 goals against, and a big part of us winning was choosing to sit our "grit" in Reaves. Our 4th line became playable, and they scored 2 goals.

And none of this has anything to do with Tampa.

You really do think emotions play no role in hockey do you?

I wonder what the opinion of the boys on the bench was when they saw Gio step up throw down.

Opinions like this really do make me believe you've never played a second of hockey in your life.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You really do think emotions play no role in hockey do you?

Emotions can play a role in hockey. That doesn't equate to fighting having any significant impact on winning hockey games, and it's certainly not having more impact than 2 goals against. And it certainly doesn't help to sign face-punchers that can't actually play hockey.

 

[thusk]

Because the vocal minority of Leaf fans clamouring for that are stuck decades in the past, think "grit" and "toughness" do things that they do not (and use confirmation bias to solidify that view like you do in this very post), and often just parrot a hockey media that's learned to exploit that viewpoint for controversy and clicks.

We didn't win this game because Giordano and Domi threw a few slaps around. We won despite Giordano and Domi costing us 2 goals against, and a big part of us winning was choosing to sit our "grit" in Reaves. Our 4th line became playable, and they scored 2 goals.

And none of this has anything to do with Tampa.

Just show your having no idea how thing working on the ice... if you didn't realize how much energy gio and domi bring by protecting their teammate to the rest of the team. The energy who made toronto played in a much higher level of energy than vancouver with their best game of the season

And no the fact reaves was out of line up was not the reason why leafs played their best game as a team of regular season

But go ahead you can still continu this discussion but for my part im done

 

[Guided by Veseys]

It’s interesting how things can turn around:
So unlike last week it now looks like Bertuzzi and Domi were good signings and looking better every day.
Kampf had a good game and can easily turn things around. Klingberg performed not terribly once McCabe was back, shouldn’t have been a surprise. Reaves is scratch and his contact can be buried. Matthews also resigned.
The overreactions so early into the season were aplenty. His tenure might turn out to be not good but it isn’t looking terrible or a disaster at this point, still way too early.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Just show your having no idea how thing working on the ice... if you didn't realize how much energy gio and domi bring by protecting their teammate to the rest of the team.

I know exactly how things work on the ice, and that performative theater to satiate the vocal minority didn't really change our energy level at all.
In fact, we had two fights in the 1st, and got outshot 12-4 and outscored 2-1. The main thing it did was cause two goals against that we had to overcome.
You're using confirmation bias to apply a causation that there's zero evidence of.

And no the fact reaves was out of line up was not the reason why leafs played their best game as a team of regular season

It was not the team's best game at all. It was Samsonov's best game, and the 4th line's best game because they sat Reaves.

 

[LeafEgo]

No I do not, maybe Klingberg hasn't worked out, but I assure you from the bottom of my heart I do not, and never will miss Holl.

He would not fix this PK either let's be honest

Agreed, I have no disrespect for Holl, he's an nhl'er. But he was a scratched playoff defenceman on a playoff team with a defence weakness. Lamenting the loss of Holl doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things.

 

[IPS]

Emotions can play a role in hockey. That doesn't equate to fighting having any significant impact on winning hockey games, and it's certainly not having more impact than 2 goals against. And it certainly doesn't help to sign face-punchers that can't actually play hockey.

Emotions do play a role in hockey. Ask 100 pro players and they'd all agree.

 

[ACC1224]

Just show your having no idea how thing working on the ice... if you didn't realize how much energy gio and domi bring by protecting their teammate to the rest of the team. The energy who made toronto played in a much higher level of energy than vancouver with their best game of the season

And no the fact reaves was out of line up was not the reason why leafs played their best game as a team of regular season

But go ahead you can still continu this discussion but for my part im done

The fights were a huge part of the win. Most get this but not all understand the game. All good, you can be a fan and discuss the game without understanding what’s going on.