Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[cyris]

I didn't think the goaltending would be ECHL caliber when I wrote this but here we are.

The goaltending hasn’t been good but it’s FAR from the only problem.
The team defence is terrible. Which isn’t a huge surprise when you replace strong outgoing defensive players with very poor ones.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The goaltending hasn’t been good but it’s FAR from the only problem.
The team defence is terrible. Which isn’t a huge surprise when you replace strong outgoing defensive players with very poor ones.

They are consistently getting 850 goaltending.

That's not a defense problem.

That's not even a goaltending problem, a goaltending problem is like 890.

850 is different 850 is a whole other level of suck.

850 is unplayable

 

[cyris]

They are consistently getting 850 goaltending.

That's not a defense problem.

That's not even a goaltending problem, a goaltending problem is like 890.

850 is different 850 is a whole other level of suck.

850 is unplayable

Good team systems and defensive play make bad goalies look like good ones.

Poor team systems and defensive play make good goalies look like bad ones.

The goaltenders have not been good but they aren’t getting much help. We are getting caved in defensively most nights and that isn’t the goalies fault. The teams job is to limit the chances against the goalies and they have done a piss poor job of that overall of that.
The goalie haven’t done their jobs either. They need to stop over 90% of the shots and they haven’t don’t that but they aren’t the only problem.

 

[arso40]

Yeah, McCabe and Liljegren missing is huge.

Need 1 top pairing defender and they'd be set. Not good set, but at least mostly NHL calibre.

Rielly-?
McCabe-Liljegren
Giordano-Brodie

Tanev and maybe a peeke if it’s not too expensive on the draft cap

 

[cyris]

Tanev and maybe a peeke if it’s not too expensive on the draft cap

I think they would have to move one of Brodie or McCabe to bring multiple D in. Which isn’t the worst thing in the world. Both should be easily movable and would go a long way towards offsetting the cost of acquiring the guys brought in.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

They are consistently getting 850 goaltending.

That's not a defense problem.

That's not even a goaltending problem, a goaltending problem is like 890.

850 is different 850 is a whole other level of suck.

850 is unplayable

They have gone from one of the best teams in shots against to one of the worst.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What was the diffenrece between the tampa bay lightningt who was swept by columbus and the team who won the cup a year later... they was not a better team and probably worst on paper... the answer is Intangible.

No, the answer is Vasilevsky playing like a god instead of complete garbage, Kucherov not getting suspended. and Hedman not being injured. Had nothing to do with "intangibles".

 

[al secord]

2 of his main summer signings can't even be trusted to be on the ice for a shift.

 

[Shooter2x]

Dudes it's November. Judge the man after the season. He's watching the same D and goaltending as us. I doubt he's going to stand pat.

This guy signed old man Reaves because we're soft and Klingberg because we were devoid of skill on the backend.

So far they were L's but its evidence he will make moves if there's something lacking. In summer we only had UFA options. Hopefully we can get some higher quality players through trades. Maybe a steal from a buy low deal.

 

[hotpaws]

The goaltending hasn’t been good but it’s FAR from the only problem.
The team defence is terrible. Which isn’t a huge surprise when you replace strong outgoing defensive players with very poor ones.

Dubas spent a ton of draft capital on rentals to turn over close to 1/3 of the roster at the t/d .

ROR - didn't want to re-sign

Schenn - didn't read anyone on this board wanting to sign him for 2m with term nevermind the 8m over 3 he got and he's been injured all year

Accari - he turns 32 in a couple weeks , has 1 assist in 12 games and the 6m over 3 yrs Dubie gave him is the biggest contract he's ever had

Kerfoot - got 3.5m x 2 and has 3a in 13g , i'm sure Tre can get him back for futures if he misses him so much

so who do you miss so much that Tre could have re-signed

 

[Michoulicious]

lol at this thread. great great job indeed

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas spent a ton of draft capital on rentals to turn over close to 1/3 of the roster at the t/d .

ROR - didn't want to re-sign

Schenn - didn't read anyone on this board wanting to sign him for 2m with term nevermind the 8m over 3 he got and he's been injured all year

Accari - he turns 32 in a couple weeks , has 1 assist in 12 games and the 6m over 3 yrs Dubie gave him is the biggest contract he's ever had

Kerfoot - got 3.5m x 2 and has 3a in 13g , i'm sure Tre can get him back for futures if he misses him so much

so who do you miss so much that Tre could have re-signed

Holl who nobody wanted resigned and was overpaid by Detroit. If anything Tre should have let Kampf walk instead of overpaying him.

 

[FerrisRox]

What is the worst deal Dubas signed? Mrazek?

John Tavares by a country mile.

 

[thusk]

No, the answer is Vasilevsky playing like a god instead of complete garbage, Kucherov not getting suspended. and Hedman not being injured. Had nothing to do with "intangibles".

Good try but i will just send you highlights from gm game. Watch especially back checking of kucherov/awful cover from hedman starting at 3:24 and backcheck from point/ awful play by tampa D for the tying goal...




I paused the game right before foligno goes in breakawY, watch where was 5 tampa bay player and it wqs not on pp... everyone body was there to try to score and everybody completly forgot they needed player to defend too... result pretty easy break away

It was not about vasilevskiy, not about hedman injury or kucherov. it was about working enough hard. This team was completly different than the tampa bay lightning we saw last 4 season

 

[hotpaws]

Holl who nobody wanted resigned and was overpaid by Detroit. If anything Tre should have let Kampf walk instead of overpaying him.

how could i forget about the great defensive player that is Holl , lol

I guess Tre panicked looking at our C depth and overpaid Kampf to make sure he didn't walk . the f***er however isn't even playing up to 1.5m x 2 he should have been signed for .

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Dudes it's November. Judge the man after the season. He's watching the same D and goaltending as us. I doubt he's going to stand pat.

This guy signed old man Reaves because we're soft and Klingberg because we were devoid of skill on the backend.

So far they were L's but its evidence he will make moves if there's something lacking. In summer we only had UFA options. Hopefully we can get some higher quality players through trades. Maybe a steal from a buy low deal.

I always caution waiting 20 games until things start to settle and that’s no different this year. Early looks aren’t good but we will see what he does. So far we are far worse defensively (as predicted with signings), easier to play against (everyone has their own definition of tough) but possibly the most concerning is we are depending significantly more on the big 4 (going into last night they accounted for 68% of scoring vs 52.5% last year).

 

[Gary Nylund]

When they start in NHL, they was not so different... maybe because he had a great mentor behind him with Lemieux in Pittsburgh... since the 1st game sid hit the NHL, crosby raise his defensive game year after year... mcdavid 9 years later, im not sure if i can say he had a signifiant upgrade in his defensive game... the 1st one was working hard in his biggest weakness because he want to be the best player possible to win cup and the second didn't. that part can be considerable like intangible.

See letang get a dangerous hit and saw crosby running into a fight to protect his guy with everybody seeing this, how do you think rest of the team feeling when your seeing your leader reacting that way? The rest of the team have no choice to follow you ... thats intangible ! you will never see mcdavid doing this, you will never see matthews doing this...

What was the diffenrece between the tampa bay lightningt who was swept by columbus and the team who won the cup a year later... they was not a better team and probably worst on paper... the answer is Intangible. They gave away jt miller who was a better player than probably everything they bring in this team. But they signed maroon, traded for goodrow and coleman and those player help to create a kind of brotherhood with everybody ready to sacrifice himself for his teammate... thats changed EVERYTHING for Tampa, that changed their mentality. If Intangible doesn't exist, tampa would not won the cup in 2020 but in 2019

Intangible are everything that can impact the game and you cant calculate

Intangibles can be very important, that doesn't change the fact that Crosby and McDavid are completely different players. Crosby's better at some things, McDavid is better than others. Many people have Crosby as the 5th best player of all-time, by the time he's done McDavid will likely be somewhere around there as well and I'm sure he'd get a lot more credit for intangibles if he had a better team around him.

 

[Leafsfan74]

You guys miss Holl yet? Some here are still too proud to appreciate what he brought. It wasn't always pretty, but he was a workhorse, especially on the PK

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Tre big mistake was signing Klinberg .. dude is killing team every game .. if our D was better we would have 10 wins now and no one would care about Reaves play .. which has been dog sh*t too .. but he does have a solid policing role .. he will prove valuable .. bottom line no NHL team can play with 3 D

 

[thusk]

Intangibles can be very important, that doesn't change the fact that Crosby and McDavid are completely different players. Crosby's better at some things, McDavid is better than others. Many people have Crosby as the 5th best player of all-time, by the time he's done McDavid will likely be somewhere around there as well and I'm sure he'd get a lot more credit for intangibles if he had a better team around him.

For mcdavid, i dont think he will get more succes playing in an other team except if that team is extremely solid with inta ginle and those kind of thing like exemple in Boston in a kind of system everyone no exception need to accept and where he will have to change the way hes playing. If hes not, he will probably become the best player of all time to never win the cup, its pretty sad but its the reality

Intangible... its whats creating your team culture. Thats why a team like Boston look good whatever whats happening and why a team like buffalo/Arizona still in rebuild 13 years later and we dont understand why thats never working. Thats what im saying since the begginning. Its extremely important to get as much positive intangible in your team than you can, its the foundations of your team

 

[Drytoast]

Passing up on signing Schenn and missing Bogosian off waivers was a mistake. Signing Klingberg who had the worst defensive stats in the NHL last year to play in Rielly's spot was bad.

Yes Schenn is injured. You can't foresee injuries. He will be back. He will hit. And he can fight whom you ask him too. He was a big reason we finally beat Tampa in the playoffs. He can play a regular shift and is a force to be reckoned with.

Beyond that none of his signings have panned out. None. It that his fault or the coach? I dunno...but it's not good either way.

 

[Gary Nylund]

For mcdavid, i dont think he will get more succes playing in an other team except if that team is extremely solid with inta ginle and those kind of thing like exemple in Boston in a kind of system everyone no exception need to accept and where he will have to change the way hes playing. If hes not, he will probably become the best player of all time to never win the cup, its pretty sad but its the reality

Intangible... its whats creating your team culture. Thats why a team like Boston look good whatever whats happening and why a team like buffalo/Arizona still in rebuild 13 years later and we dont understand why thats never working. Thats what im saying since the begginning. Its extremely important to get as much positive intangible in your team than you can, its the foundations of your team

I agree, intangibles and team culture are very important.

 

[Gallagbi]

Passing up on signing Schenn and missing Bogosian off waivers was a mistake. Signing Klingberg who had the worst defensive stats in the NHL last year to play in Rielly's spot was bad.

Beyond that none of his signings have panned out. None. It that his fault or the coach? I dunno...but it's not good either way.

Im still surprised we didnt look for a Jones/Bogo swap after each passed through waivers. Addressed needs for both and they could get demoted without waivers again (for a little while)

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Passing up on signing Schenn and missing Bogosian off waivers was a mistake. Signing Klingberg who had the worst defensive stats in the NHL last year to play in Rielly's spot was bad.

Beyond that none of his signings have panned out. None. It that his fault or the coach? I dunno...but it's not good either way.

Well the other thing that’s a little concerning in early days is that you wonder if he has a specific vision or the least bit of confidence in his ability to identify and execute? Everything was 1 year except the one patently obvious terrible signing…..THAT one he had confidence in.

He may luck into an opportunity with news from big Z.

 

[Drytoast]

Well the other thing that’s a little concerning in early days is that you wonder if he has a specific vision or the least bit of confidence in his ability to identify and execute? Everything was 1 year except the one patently obvious terrible signing…..THAT one he had confidence in.

If I were Keefe I wouldn't give Reaves a regular shift. I would instead slot him in the first or second line irregularly as needed especially after the other team takes liberties. And then ask either Willy or Marner to double shift the 4th line. Reaves would play maybe 6-8 shifts a game. A tool you use when you need to send messages or light a fire up the team's ass with a hit or crash the net or rough people up after the whistle.

This shouldn't be hard ffs.