Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[ACC1224]

I’m fairly confident he was signed under the notion that he had to win with this core so that was probably never an option for him anyways.

Not sure but no GM would just come in to any team and just trade one of the leagues top players.

I don't believe any experienced GM would take a job if he didn't have input into the moves he could make.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Not sure but no GM would just come in to any team and just trade one of the leagues top players.

I don't believe any experienced GM would take a job if he didn't have input into the moves he could make.

For real. Like why would he ever put his job at risk making a move like that. Maybe it works but 50/50 you’re one of the fastest GM firings in history lol. Play it safe and collect those pay cheques

 

[thusk]

And how do you see the Reaves deal as? The only long term deal he gave out is worse than dogshit. There are no excuses he is just that pathetic.

Was not a big fan of it but he tries something to change mentality of group but on the ice hes pretty bad im agree

I was perfectly fine with the Treliving additions and think the problem is more the fact that Reaves, Bertuzzi have completely failed to do their jobs while Domi and Klingberg have been sluggish adjusting to the Leafs.

I guess an alternative approach is if they had spent the money on cheaper things and spread it around a little more evenly to address positions and player types of need like Geekie, Soucy as a start, etc.

But the fundamental problem remains the new guys have just been way worse than their track records over their careers.

Soucy is a bottom pair dman at 3,25M... some leafs fan find holl too much paid for the same exact role but 3,25M with Soucy, its fine?

Geekie is probably a worst player than lafferty at 2M... i dont think they would make leafs much better

 

[ACC1224]

For real. Like why would he ever put his job at risk making a move like that. Maybe it works but 50/50 you’re one of the fastest GM firings in history lol. Play it safe and collect those pay cheques

He doesn't need to worry about paycheques, he would have no trouble finding a job.
Being smart and not being irrational isn't playing it safe.

 

[thusk]

I think every D you named minus maybe Dumba is better than Klingberg...

Forwards I am more okay with it, I just don't think their low IQ meshes as well with our forwards as we hoped, but hoping I am wrong. At least Domi looked great last game. If Bertuzzi can find his role, the others are less important.

Klinberg just becoming the new Holl... if hes playimg in the good chair, i think he can help the team but the reality is leafs need to use their D at the wrong spot...they need a #2 who will fix the blue line and replace everyone in the good spot... right now only rielly is playing in the right spot... leafs have to find someone to replace Muzzin. Thats why i think leafs should make everything they can to trade and sign noah Hanifin. Thats exactly what leafs need right now

 

[RunItBackAgain]

He doesn't need to worry about paycheques, he would have no trouble finding a job.
Being smart and not being irrational isn't playing it safe.

No I agree for sure. I was not being facetious

Going back to my original post, very glad we have these filler players for only one season instead of committing 3+ years to over 30 year old players. When the right fit comes along we will lock them down.

 

[GoonieFace]

A problem, but not the only problem. Tre's signings have been trash so far, no question about it. To start a thread, about what a great job Tre had done, before a puck had been dropped was incredibly premature... said it at the time... "reactionary". It's still early, but it doesn't look good, and certainly not "great".

edit... Samsonov was also signed by Tre... I'm not saying it's his fault he's on the squad, and I think Samsonov is far better than he's shown this year... but that's a Tre contract too.

He took Samsonov to arbitration for a 1 year deal, he didn’t commit to him which is a win. They needed a goalie.

Domi showed some signs of life, Bertuzzi looks slow and lost. Klingberg is meh, hopefully he at least gets his offensive game going.

Going forward it’s on Tre to figure this roster out, I can’t rag on him too much for the short amount of time he had before the season

 

[Stephen]

Was not a big fan of it but he tries something to change mentality of group but on the ice hes pretty bad im agree


Soucy is a bottom pair dman at 3,25M... some leafs fan find holl too much paid for the same exact role but 3,25M with Soucy, its fine?

Geekie is probably a worst player than lafferty at 2M... i dont think they would make leafs much better

Well, newsflash, we need a bottom pairing defenseman like Soucy.

 

[thusk]

Well, newsflash, we need a bottom pairing defenseman like Soucy.

Leafs need a #2 dman to replace Muzzin and get every body in the right spot, they dont need an other depht D and try to use him like a 3rd or 4th d...

 

[Stephen]

Leafs need a #2 dman to replace Muzzin and get every body in the right spot, they dont need an other depht D and try to use him like a 3rd or 4th d...

We need a rebalance if the blueline from number 2 on down to 6, with at least 1 bigger stop the cycle type guys to fill the Lyubushkin, Schenn, Holl role which would be a Soucy. And we need a number 2 stud to replace Muzzin and sort of Brodie probably looking something like this:

 

[NinjaKick]

new guys need time to gel. come at me when we hit the 41 game mark

 

[thusk]

We need a rebalance if the blueline from number 2 on down to 6, with at least 1 bigger stop the cycle type guys to fill the Lyubushkin, Schenn, Holl role which would be a Soucy. And we need a number 2 stud to replace Muzzin and sort of Brodie probably looking something like this:

I dont think its that bad, despite everything we said about Muzzin... come playoff time, leafs with Muzzin and without was not the same team.

Lost of muzzin really hurt leafs against columbus and montreal, the best series leafs had last 4 years was the only one Muzzin played everygame and it was in 2022 vs tampa.

Get a guy who can have similar impact or even bigger impact, every body drop from 1 spot in depht chart and will affect game of every body. Get brodir as 3th unstead of mccabe or liljegren, its a huge upgrape... and at the end your 4,5,6,7th d all becoming better

 

[Nineteen67]

Well, newsflash, we need a bottom pairing defenseman like Soucy.

They have a glut of 5 and 6, what they need is at least 1 legit top pairing D and a 3 and a 4.

I dont think its that bad, despite everything we said about Muzzin... come playoff time, leafs with Muzzin and without was not the same team.

Lost of muzzin really hurt leafs against columbus and montreal, the best series leafs had last 4 years was the only one Muzzin played everygame and it was in 2022 vs tampa.

Get a guy who can have similar impact or even bigger impact, every body drop from 1 spot in depht chart and will affect game of every body. Get brodir as 3th unstead of mccabe or liljegren, its a huge upgrape... and at the end your 4,5,6,7th d all becoming better

They shouldn’t resign Brodie.

 

[thusk]

They have a glut of 5 and 6, what they need is at least 1 legit top pairing D and a 3 and a 4.


They shouldn’t resign Brodie.

Depend what is the asking price, if hes asking 5M at 34... i dont thin he deserve it anymore... if he hes ready to resign around 3,5M... why not

 

[Nineteen67]

Depend what is the asking price, if hes asking 5M at 34... i dont thin he deserve it anymore... if he hes ready to resign around 3,5M... why not

Because he’s too slow and isn’t physical enough for the playoffs.

 

[thusk]

Because he’s too slow and isn’t physical enough for the playoffs.

At 3.5M you will not find a any better D...yeah he having his weakness but every d at this salary having their own...but at least brodie can play against everyone...

But like i said depend of salary...

 

[Nineteen67]

At 3.5M you will not find a any better D...yeah he having his weakness but every d at this salary having their own...but at least brodie can play against everyone...

But like i said depend of salary...

Also depends on if they’re ready to go for it, or not. At best a 1 yr contract, but I would look for a better player.

 

[Stephen]

They have a glut of 5 and 6, what they need is at least 1 legit top pairing D and a 3 and a 4.


They shouldn’t resign Brodie.

They have a glut of midsized non specialists but lack a reliable stopper with size and a thoroughbred do it all top pairing defensemen. Brodie, Gio, Liljegren and even McCabe are too vanilla, can’t box out, minimal offense.

People crapped all over the possibility of adding Schenn last year and it was a revelation to have a different player and body type in the mix.

We should move on from Brodie at end of year and replace him with a younger guy like Hanifin who has the size and skating and ability to log big minutes.

 

[thusk]

They have a glut of midsized non specialists but lack a reliable stopper with size and a thoroughbred do it all top pairing defensemen. Brodie, Gio, Liljegren and even McCabe are too vanilla, can’t box out, minimal offense.

People crapped all over the possibility of adding Schenn last year and it was a revelation to have a different player and body type in the mix.

We should move on from Brodie at end of year and replace him with a younger guy like Hanifin who has the size and skating and ability to log big minutes.

For me if hanifin is open to resign, leafs need to be agressive on him until trade deadlinr

Also depends on if they’re ready to go for it, or not. At best a 1 yr contract, but I would look for a better player.

Like i said depend what he wans but overal right now 3,5M its holl value... good luck find a better player

 

[IPS]

They have a glut of midsized non specialists but lack a reliable stopper with size and a thoroughbred do it all top pairing defensemen. Brodie, Gio, Liljegren and even McCabe are too vanilla, can’t box out, minimal offense.

People crapped all over the possibility of adding Schenn last year and it was a revelation to have a different player and body type in the mix.

We should move on from Brodie at end of year and replace him with a younger guy like Hanifin who has the size and skating and ability to log big minutes.

They crapped all over Schenn last year and Lyubushkin the year before.

Funny enough both of those D ended up being mainstays as Rielly's partner, and improved the team D a fair bit by virtue of re-slotting the D in better spots.

Another Luke Schenn would be quite swell right now.

 

[Stephen]

They crapped all over Schenn last year and Lyubushkin the year before.

Funny enough both of those D ended up being mainstays as Rielly's partner, and improved the team D a fair bit by virtue of re-slotting the D in better spots.

Another Luke Schenn would be quite swell right now.

Yeah exactly. All comes down to roster balance and different guys who can contribute in different ways. A quick breakout pass from your D is nice and all, but who stops the cycle first?

 

[Nineteen67]

For me if hanifin is open to resign, leafs need to be agressive on him until trade deadlinr



Like i said depend what he wans but overal right now 3,5M its holl value... good luck find a better player

It’s not a hard decision. If they think they can take a run at a Cup, they have to find a better player. If they want to ice a playoff team, sign him.

They have a glut of midsized non specialists but lack a reliable stopper with size and a thoroughbred do it all top pairing defensemen. Brodie, Gio, Liljegren and even McCabe are too vanilla, can’t box out, minimal offense.

People crapped all over the possibility of adding Schenn last year and it was a revelation to have a different player and body type in the mix.

We should move on from Brodie at end of year and replace him with a younger guy like Hanifin who has the size and skating and ability to log big minutes.

Schenn is a perfect bottom guy on a Cup contending team.

 

[horner]

For me if hanifin is open to resign, leafs need to be agressive on him until trade deadlinr



Like i said depend what he wans but overal right now 3,5M its holl value... good luck find

 

[mjd1001]

I want to see this how this team matches up against the top of the league, we haven't seen enough yet. The only games so far that fit that for me were the ones against Boston, L.A. and Dallas. 1w-2L with 7 goals for and 8 against in those games. Small sample size.

They have Boston and 2 against the Rangers in December. Other than that, its really the End of February until Early April that we get to see them play the teams they need to beat in the playoffs.

I want to judge this team vs Boston, the Rangers, Carolina, Jersey, Colorado...the teams with both talent AND experience. The good news is for the next month or more almost every game they play the should be favored to win (at least on paper). Not much of a chance they will be overmatched unless they REALLY don't show up.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I have a feeling this thread is going to keep getting funnier and funnier to look back on. Reaves and Klingberg now a combined -17. All of Brad’s additions have collectively scored less points than Matthews, Marner, or Nylander have individually. Gregor’s 1 goal in the first game is 25% of the total goals Brad’s boys have scored this year, or 1 less goal than Lafferty currently has.

And we get all that elite production and defensive play for the low low price of 15+ million dollars.