Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hullsy47]

It’s not a hard decision. If they think they can take a run at a Cup, they have to find a better player. If they want to ice a playoff team, sign him.


Schenn is a perfect bottom guy on a Cup contending team.

We should have realized when schenn was that much a positive that maybe we never had a chance at at cup

Don't be surprised things turn bad when your good buddy pokes the bear with a stick.

It's getting harder and harder to have faith in this management group. Not when they completely misevaluated the incoming players. Either that or they messed up integrating them all.

I don't blame Treliving either.

It's not his fault he's incompetent at his job. If someone offered me millions of dollars to run a hockey team I'd accept in a heartbeat. Then do a horrible job despite my best efforts.

"Fake it til you make it" doesn't cut it in the NHL.

Unless you work for ML$E. Then all you gotta do is be better at your job than Shanahan is at his. Same as how you don't gotta out run the bear.

Only the dummy who poked it.

One of the best ever.

 

[BallardEra]

 

[HockeyVirus]

Just an awful GM and exactly what I expected would happen when we fired Dubas. So many fans who evidently had never been fans before Dubas was GM and didn't know what to expect. Signing useless players for too much money and failing to make the team better.

Dubas never committed to players he couldn't get out of if he needed to if they didn't work out, but also had a type. Every player he brought in were good defensively. Even if they were physical like Accairri they were good defensively. It became our identity to be a good defensive team.

Now we are soft, can't defend, can't score outside of Matthews and Nylander, and just look bad. Who trusts Tre to be the guy to trade Marner or sign anyone? For all the Dubas hate for signing our core look what Tre signed guys to with the Flames?

Get ready for more Klingbergs. Incoming 4M for useless defenders who bring intangibles.

 

[ACC1224]

Treliving doing a poor job doesn't automatically mean Dubas now did a good job.

Dubas did some good and bad, while Treliving has missed on pretty much everything he's done. He'll do some good at some point as well.

 

[Peasy]

Man the 180 people have done on Calgary's summer of 2022 is hilarious. When it all went down, majority of people were praising him for how good he did in a poor situation. Moves were obviously influenced by ownership etc.

But now everyone just rips on it despite praising it at the time of it happening lol.

Reality was, if your two best players leave in the same off season, a band-aid fix will likely never work and just hamper your future. Ownership obviously didnt want to re-build, so as an employee you have to deal with what your boss wants. Also, its not like people were expecting Huberdeau to go from 110 points to 60 the next year.

Now, early results are not good for Brad here, but people using the Calgary stuff to dunk on him just completely ignore all context of the situation.

Dude walked into a mess here (all the fall out of the dubas/shanny drama, having to re-sign Matthews etc), with very minimal assets. Lafferty isnt magically making this team better. This team has had major flaws for years, and they are still present. Just look at all the assets Dubas pissed away last deadline to fill holes that he left open just for 20 games. A great GM doesnt need to piss away those assets for rentals to fill holes you failed to fill the summer before.

A new gm isnt going to make major moves his first month on the job. He barely knows the team at that point. He probably hardly knows what hes working with. Give him some time to assess the team himself, and make the adjustments accordingly. Theres a reason why so many 1 year deals were handed out.

Leafs were awful the 2019-2020 season, it happens sometime.

If theyre still looking awful by next season then its probably appropriate to panic, but as of now, just chill. Sometimes a team needs a reset and a reality check.

 

[Stephen]

I suppose the only value that the Treliving 4 has provided so far is it generated enough sizzle in the offseason to get Auston Matthews to re-sign… Domi’s waking up. Bertuzzi has a pulse. But that’s about it.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

It's a business and it's not fun to have egg on your face so soon into one's tenure, but it's untenable to keep playing Reaves and Klingberg. Sit the former for now, waive the later once McCabe is back. Eating shit sucks, but it's better than trying to save face a bit longer with people who shouldn't be playing in the league.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Man the 180 people have done on Calgary's summer of 2022 is hilarious. When it all went down, majority of people were praising him for how good he did in a poor situation. Moves were obviously influenced by ownership etc.

But now everyone just rips on it despite praising it at the time of it happening lol.

Reality was, if your two best players leave in the same off season, a band-aid fix will likely never work and just hamper your future. Ownership obviously didnt want to re-build, so as an employee you have to deal with what your boss wants. Also, its not like people were expecting Huberdeau to go from 110 points to 60 the next year.

Now, early results are not good for Brad here, but people using the Calgary stuff to dunk on him just completely ignore all context of the situation.

Dude walked into a mess here (all the fall out of the dubas/shanny drama, having to re-sign Matthews etc), with very minimal assets. Lafferty isnt magically making this team better. This team has had major flaws for years, and they are still present. Just look at all the assets Dubas pissed away last deadline to fill holes that he left open just for 20 games. A great GM doesnt need to piss away those assets for rentals to fill holes you failed to fill the summer before.

A new gm isnt going to make major moves his first month on the job. He barely knows the team at that point. He probably hardly knows what hes working with. Give him some time to assess the team himself, and make the adjustments accordingly. Theres a reason why so many 1 year deals were handed out.

Leafs were awful the 2019-2020 season, it happens sometime.

If theyre still looking awful by next season then its probably appropriate to panic, but as of now, just chill. Sometimes a team needs a reset and a reality check.

There's a reason that when Huberdeau was putting up 115 points the analytics guys had him as the most overrated player in the league. When people like Steve Simmons had him 2nd for the Hart while the nerds didn't have him as a contender. Because he's always been a complete passenger, teams have never gotten better when he's on the ice.

Unless ownership had a gun to Brads head and wrote out the Huberdeau contract for him, I don't know why he deserves a pass. Expecting him in any way to be "the guy" in Calgary when he never showed any hint of that capability for his entire career was always going to end in disaster.

It is a little hard to take people seriously when they say stuff like "this team has been flawed for years" when we used to routinely outchance our opponents and now we have some of the worst underlying stats in the entire league. In terms of scoring chance creation/prevention this team most resembles the Kessel era. We used to be elite in that area. And you think it's only fair to wait until next season for any criticism? What about Trelivings recent years shows any evidence of him being adept at evaluating hockey? Why would he deserve another chance when basically every transaction he's made over the past couple years has been disastrous?

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Haha

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

Give me the f***ing reigns already, I can do a much better job than this f***ing clown.

 

[4thline]

Treliving doing a poor job doesn't automatically mean Dubas now did a good job.

Dubas did some good and bad, while Treliving has missed on pretty much everything he's done. He'll do some good at some point as well.

I think the most frustrating thing is that Dubas seemed to have learned from his bad, and had come to an understanding of what the team needed to win being as top heavy as it is, where as Tre is coming in new to the group, ready to throw shit at the wall, and that shit seems to be deja vu.

If I look at their July 1's, Eller+Acciari+Graves, while risky with the age/term fit the needs of Toronto to a T (with the exception of Graves being LHD) and seem like the adds of a veteran "hockey man" looking to build a playoff team. Solid, unsexy players that play a clear role and contribute to a tougher team identity. Domi, Bert, Klingberg = Ritchie/Barrie/Simmonds 2.0.

I sincerely hope the experiments work better for Tre than the did for Dubas.

 

[Peasy]

There's a reason that when Huberdeau was putting up 115 points the analytics guys had him as the most overrated player in the league. When people like Steve Simmons had him 2nd for the Hart while the nerds didn't have him as a contender. Because he's always been a complete passenger, teams have never gotten better when he's on the ice.

Unless ownership had a gun to Brads head and wrote out the Huberdeau contract for him, I don't know why he deserves a pass. Expecting him in any way to be "the guy" in Calgary when he never showed any hint of that capability for his entire career was always going to end in disaster.

It is a little hard to take people seriously when they say stuff like "this team has been flawed for years" when we used to routinely outchance our opponents and now we have some of the worst underlying stats in the entire league. In terms of scoring chance creation/prevention this team most resembles the Kessel era. We used to be elite in that area. And you think it's only fair to wait until next season for any criticism? What about Trelivings recent years shows any evidence of him being adept at evaluating hockey? Why would he deserve another chance when basically every transaction he's made over the past couple years has been disastrous?

This team has never had good consistent goaltending since Freddy's early days, and the defence has always been less than ideal. Yeah they played well defensively last season, but several of the D members were exposed in the playoffs year after year. That is where im saying its been a flawed team.

A gm's freedom and desire to put their own stamp on the team can vary from org to org. Not one owner is the same. Some are extremely hands on, others are extremely hands off. I'm simply saying that Calgary's ownership is clearly very hands on and wants to make the playoffs at all costs so it will ultimately influence a GM's moves. That isn't the case here (or maybe it is). Just look at what the new Calgary GM dealt Toffoli for. They could have gotten a 1st +, but instead they went for a 3rd and a much lesser player in sharangovich. Did brad make that move? How could such a similar move be made when there was a completely new gm? What would be the common denominator to make a move like that again the following summer?

A GM cant really put their stamp on the team a few months into the job. I was not a fan of the Tre hire (still not really), but I don't think Dubas was the right choice either.

Ultimately, the people to blame IMO are ownership and Shanny.

 

[GoonieFace]

I think the most frustrating thing is that Dubas seemed to have learned from his bad, and had come to an understanding of what the team needed to win being as top heavy as it is, where as Tre is coming in new to the group, ready to throw shit at the wall, and that shit seems to be deja vu.

If I look at their July 1's, Eller+Acciari+Graves, while risky with the age/term fit the needs of Toronto to a T (with the exception of Graves being LHD) and seem like the adds of a veteran "hockey man" looking to build a playoff team. Solid, unsexy players that play a clear role and contribute to a tougher team identity. Domi, Bert, Klingberg = Ritchie/Barrie/Simmonds 2.0.

I sincerely hope the experiments work better for Tre than the did for Dubas.

It was a very weak free agency class. I would much rather only committed one year deals to those three than multi year deals to Eller, Acciari and Graves.

Not sure if Tre was the right hire, but let’s give the guy some rope here. The ex GM ran this team into the ground for 5 years and is a folk hero

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I still don’t mind the moves that he has made.
All one year deals for new players was awesome
Bert and Domi are slowly getting better; lots of season left there.
Klingberg was a gamble and it’s failing but maybe when the Defense gets healthy and Keefe is able to utilize Klingberg’s transition skills then it will be a benefit. He does move the puck million times better than Holl, he’s just a million times worse at about everything else. Both have rocks for brains in terms of defensive iq
Reaves. Picked up for a reason. Likely Treveling had feedback on what the team needed (intensity) and he signed him up. It’s not working so big deal, he can get rid of him at some point this season one way or another.
I don’t see it as an awful tenure whatsoever.

 

[4thline]

Not sure if Tre was the right hire, but let’s give the guy some rope here. The ex GM ran this team into the ground for 5 years and is a folk hero

Heh. The lesson some unfortunately might have the opportunity to learn this season is that 110+ point teams aren't something to be taken for granted, and in no way a team "being run into the ground."

 

[IPS]

Heh. The lesson some unfortunately might have the opportunity to learn this season is that 110+ point teams aren't something to be taken for granted, and in no way a team "being run into the ground."

If your thing is regular season success - by all means.

We'll see if Tre can put anything better together for the playoffs.

 

[BallardEra]

Nick Kypreos: Why the Maple Leafs’ new guys are already on thin ice with coach Sheldon Keefe

While Max Domi is trending in the right direction, Tyler Bertuzzi, Ryan Reaves and John Klingberg are putting the pressure on their GM and coach.

www.thestar.com

 

[4thline]

If your thing is regular season success - by all means.

The Stanley Cup and regular season success are the only barometers of success.

"Winning rounds" is just losing later, and plenty of teams fluke/hotstreak their way into a round or a two in a given post-season. You don't fluke your way into being a multi-year 110 point team.

 

[IPS]

Not sure if Tre was the right hire, but let’s give the guy some rope here. The ex GM ran this team into the ground for 5 years and is a folk hero

I never really had an opinion on Tre when we hired him. Didn't really post much about him at all TBH.

The wait and see approach is what I'm taking with him. Season is still young and things can go a lot differently.

 

[notbias]

If your thing is regular season success - by all means.

We'll see if Tre can put anything better together for the playoffs.

Step one of playoff success is making the playoffs.

Playoffs are a lot of getting a hot goalie at the right time and getting the bounces... look at Florida last year.

There is not a single playoff build... look at the last 10 years and tell me what each winner had in common... I doubt you can make a link.

 

[IPS]

"Winning rounds" is just losing later, and plenty of teams fluke/hotstreak their way into a round or a two in a given post-season. You don't fluke your way into being a multi-year 110 point team.

You also don't fluke yourself into 6 straight 1st round exits too. Logic goes both ways.

There is not a single playoff build... look at the last 10 years and tell me what each winner had in common... I doubt you can make a link.

No but by Dubas' consistent playoff failures you can get a pretty good idea of what not to do.

 

[notbias]

I never really had an opinion on Tre when we hired him. Didn't really post much about him at all TBH.

The wait and see approach is what I'm taking with him. Season is still young and things can go a lot differently.

Opinion of the current version of the Flames he built? We can get a sense of how he builds teams based on that... it isn't really inspiring much confidence, nor is the season this far.

We can wait and see, but even in past seasons where we had a bad start, there was some good too, you could tell things could click... right now, nothing looks like it'll click.

I think at some point Reaves and Klingberg will be sent down and we will look like a much better team though.

You also don't fluke yourself into 6 straight 1st round exits too. Logic goes both ways.


No but by Dubas' consistent playoff failures you can get a pretty good idea of what not to do.

Sure, he failed, everyone knows this.

In the last 5 years, 4 teams have succeeded.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

The core problem has not changed and it will not change this year .. 4 forwards making half of CAP .. bottom line not enough CAP space for a Cup contender on D and G where Cups ultimately are decided .. on top of that we have 3 cogs in our D Brodie, Gio and Klinberg who are washed .. very difficult for any coach to win a game with only 1 quality NHL defense (and even he is not great defensively) .. I am not sure how Tre is gonna fix this mess but he did not deal with it over da summer .. moving Klinberg to LTIR would be a big help as no one in league wants a completely useless D man .. Brodie could still be traded for a D prospect .. and Gio could stick around as a 7th man and build up his strength to play a few games

 

[HockeyVirus]

Treliving doing a poor job doesn't automatically mean Dubas now did a good job.

Dubas did some good and bad, while Treliving has missed on pretty much everything he's done. He'll do some good at some point as well.

In modern memory, who did better than Dubas? Lou signed Zaitsev to monster deals. What is the worst deal Dubas signed? Mrazek? He had no Clarksons, we were never rumored to be giving stupid deals to players like Bolland under him.

Dubas took a 105 point team that run and gunned and turned them into a 115 point team that was top 5 defensively and 2nd best offensively without trading any major prospects or moving any core players.

Every season he managed to improve the team in some way. Once defense was sorted, he always was able to find guys like Hyman, Mikheyev, Bunting, Jarnkrok, etc who were super cheap but could contribute.

We literally gave Dubas on the job training and fired him over Shanny's ego when he had finally figured it all out.

 

[IPS]

Opinion of the current version of the Flames he built? We can get a sense of how he builds teams based on that... it isn't really inspiring much confidence, nor is the season this far.

We can wait and see, but even in past seasons where we had a bad start, there was some good too, you could tell things could click... right now, nothing looks like it'll click.

I think at some point Reaves and Klingberg will be sent down and we will look like a much better team though.

Pretty average TBH.

Couple things might have been out of his control like Johnny and Tkachuk leaving via UFA but that's ultimately what seperates a great GM from a good one is the ability to move on from unfortunate happenings.