Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Da Mash]

Tre walked into a very good position....not a bad one.

A team that has been one of the better teams in the league the last several years and Tre walked into a bad position? Imagine the Calgary GM now.....look what he walked into ? Tre left a bigger mess in Calgary then what Dubas has left him here.

So have any of his signings panned out? Burt looks lost and seems like it takes him awhile to grasp our system. Show up and constantly get demoted. Domi is what? is he tough? havent seen it yet....has he scored? made players better? how about play some defense? Hard to teach a pony new tricks....but of course we were brainwashed ....as some have his Daddy as some kind of icon in TO...for whatever reason I dont know. He is looked upon higer to some fans then Sundin. Go figure.

Then we have Reeves....fans love a fighter....and all the intangiables they provide. Too bad he cant skate ....is almost 40 it seems and hard to intimidate players who were armour and shields....but I was told he would keep our stars clean.....
I guess they meant doinig laundry?

Reeves is useless.....cant skate and has a hockey IQ of a orange ball hockey ball.

So Trey came in with some cap money.....and spent it all on Klingberg...Burt...and Domi...and then signed Reeves for 3 yrs.

And he is better then Dubas ? who had his own issues here?

Thank God we have some young kids who should play more....like Knies...Would Robertson be any worse then Burt?

But hey....the locker room is great with Reeves taking over the music and creating a great atmosphere I hear..........or was that the mediots brainwashing us again?

We should be Thankful for Burt and Domi and Klingberg on one year deals....guess that was a smart move by Tre....its too bad Reeves wasnt on the same term.

Is there a worse 3rd and 4th line in the league then ours? Thats what Tre has provided so far

 

[thusk]

Tre walked into a very good position....not a bad one.

A team that has been one of the better teams in the league the last several years and Tre walked into a bad position? Imagine the Calgary GM now.....look what he walked into ? Tre left a bigger mess in Calgary then what Dubas has left him here.

So have any of his signings panned out? Burt looks lost and seems like it takes him awhile to grasp our system. Show up and constantly get demoted. Domi is what? is he tough? havent seen it yet....has he scored? made players better? how about play some defense? Hard to teach a pony new tricks....but of course we were brainwashed ....as some have his Daddy as some kind of icon in TO...for whatever reason I dont know. He is looked upon higer to some fans then Sundin. Go figure.

Then we have Reeves....fans love a fighter....and all the intangiables they provide. Too bad he cant skate ....is almost 40 it seems and hard to intimidate players who were armour and shields....but I was told he would keep our stars clean.....
I guess they meant doinig laundry?

Reeves is useless.....cant skate and has a hockey IQ of a orange ball hockey ball.

So Trey came in with some cap money.....and spent it all on Klingberg...Burt...and Domi...and then signed Reeves for 3 yrs.

And he is better then Dubas ? who had his own issues here?

Thank God we have some young kids who should play more....like Knies...Would Robertson be any worse then Burt?

But hey....the locker room is great with Reeves taking over the music and creating a great atmosphere I hear..........or was that the mediots brainwashing us again?

We should be Thankful for Burt and Domi and Klingberg on one year deals....guess that was a smart move by Tre....its too bad Reeves wasnt on the same term.

Is there a worse 3rd and 4th line in the league then ours? Thats what Tre has provided so far

But the market was trash

Wich d was that good to really deserve leafs to be high on him? Orlov at 7M? Graves ?Holl, Schenn, Soucy, Dumba? Klinberg was 1 of best D available...

Amount foward we can do the same thing... the good thing is hes only giving one 1 year deal..

so next off season we will maybe see leafs able to sign an Hanifin? Who knows because he dont made a stupid move by giving up a bad long term deal to a 5-6th d

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Not gonna lie, Domi makes me miss Kerfoot. Honestly feels like he can't do anything out there. Hopefully he plays C better than W.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

A lot of us were right to be apoplectic when Shanahan decided to be petty and fire Dubas.

Some GM search he did too. Literally hired the first nepo-baby who’s dad is friends with the owners to destroy this team.

 

[Apex Predator]

A lot of us were right to be apoplectic when Shanahan decided to be petty and fire Dubas.

Some GM search he did too. Literally hired the first nepo-baby whose dad is friends with the owners to destroy this team.

Could MLSE be the problem? Not defending Shanny as I think this is on him but does it go higher up?

 

[Jozay]

Shanahan is the problem.

 

[HofT]

This all happened because Shanahan made an awful reactionary decision to fire Dubas with no real backup plan.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Trev came into a tricky but manageable situation and did a poor job at reconstructing the bottom half of the line up and defensive depth.

The depth offense hasn’t been there and the blue line looks thin.

 

[nuck]

Could MLSE be the problem? Not defending Shanny as I think this is on him but does it go higher up?

Only to the extent they haven't fired Shanny. He had them ready to run it back again before Kyle did whatever he did. Keefe is his coach, not Tre's and not the board's.

 

[capfit9]

Trev came into a tricky but manageable situation and did a poor job at reconstructing the bottom half of the line up and defensive depth.

The depth offense hasn’t been there and the blue line looks thin.

Certainly not defending Treliving but he was there 3 weeks before free agency & had to negotiate contracts with Matthews & Nylander; couldn’t commit dollars to anyone in free agency until he knew what contracts for them looked like but no question his signings have not worked & it’s concerning going forward.

 

[nuck]

Trev came into a tricky but manageable situation and did a poor job at reconstructing the bottom half of the line up and defensive depth.

The depth offense hasn’t been there and the blue line looks thin.

If Sammy could stop a beachball it would be a different look. I don't think it was Treliving's idea to re-up Kampf for 3 years, the guy was a legacy just like Sammy. If they want depth offense drop Kampf to the 4th line for a while because he is chanelling his last year with the Hawks right now.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I don't trust Treliving to make another move on this team. Terrible GM.

 

[Leafblooded]

Shanny with the free BP for life hire. Nepotism at its finest. This is how Canadians like it though. Bunch of complacency in this country, the whole place is an old boys club and no one bats an eye when inept leadership makes mistake after mistake. They must know what they're doing, these people in charge. Afterall, they're in charge! Why question anything? Who needs critical thinking? That's hard. Buck a beer me and let's go for a rip.

 

[Judas Tavares]

It took Dubas too many years and there were a few too many mistakes along the way, but I thought last year he did quite well. With that, I was intrigued to see what he could do with one more summer. Yes maybe it was a few summers too many, but to me he finally learned and was ready to make an uncomfortable but necessary move this summer.

Treliving was unlikely to make that big kind of move cause let's face it, as an outsider you'd want to see what you could do with that core 4. I'm sure he feels that way. Hell, I'm sure most of us here probably wonder what we would be capable of if we took over the Oilers, essentially having two of the world's greatest players.

 

[hockeywiz542]

SIMMONS: Treliving's vision for Maple Leafs more like a mirage at the moment

The first month of Brad Treliving's first season as general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs hasn't exactly gone as planned.

torontosun.com

The first month of Brad Treliving’s first season as general manager of the Maple Leafs hasn’t exactly gone as planned.

The coach he extended for no real reason, Sheldon Keefe, hasn’t looked very Jack Adams-like.

The free-agent signings Treliving made — $5.5 million for Tyler Bertuzzi, $4.15 million for John Klingberg, $3 million for Max Domi, about half of that for Ryan Reaves, $14 million in all — have looked like salary cap space badly misused and haven’t produced anything to be truly optimistic about in the early season. The lineup that Treliving believed was better defensively than many perceived it to be has not been at all tight.

And the goaltending he hoped would be average to above average has been average to below average.

Monday night started out like it was about to begin the latest Leafs crisis, the first of this new season. The Leafs trailed the formerly dynastic Tampa Bay Lightning 4-1 in the first period and appeared on their way to a fifth straight defeat. By the time the first 20 minutes were done, Nikita Kucherov had contributed four points, just one more than Bertuzzi had managed in his first 11 games in Toronto.

By the time the night ended, Auston Matthews had passed the San Jose Sharks in goal-scoring, the Leafs had won in overtime against their arch-rival — these Lightning games are crazy, but fun to watch — who can’t seem to win anything after regulation in the playoffs or regular season. For those counting, that’s 11 straight overtime losses for the Lightning.

And for those counting on the flipside, that’s just three regulation victories in 12 games for Treliving’s Maple Leafs.

..........

The Leafs got the win, but concern remains. You can’t play winning hockey and have to depend on scoring five or six a night. Ilya Samsonov started in goal for Toronto and allowed four goals on 13 shots. His night ended early. Joseph Woll came out of the bullpen to pick up the victory, stopping 18 of 19 shots.

You can’t live successfully off a lineup that doesn’t contribute more up and down the roster. Bertuzzi, who is bringing new meaning to the word ordinary, has scored two goals this season, both on the power play. Domi made a difference on Monday night, but still is goalless in 12 games. Reaves hasn’t scored or done much else for that matter. Klingberg is a hold-your-breath kind of defenceman: You never know what will got right or wrong at any point in time.

It’s a time for the Leafs to try to find themselves and determine who they are. This is nowhere near the team Treliving envisioned.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Shanahan is the problem.

I'd say the guy with 4.11 GAA and the 855 save% is the problem

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

Anyone complaining about freaking 1yr contracts to any of the free agents we signed this summer, need to chill. They're 1 year contracts - jeez. The team, under no circumstance is forced to re-sign these guys at the end of the year, and with all the other expirings on the team, there is a lot more flexibility to re-shape this team after or even during this season. Expiring contracts are hella valuable at the trade deadline - c'mon people you know this. Then, when Tavares' contract is up, even more flexibility.

So we may have to flush a year if these current additions don't work out. What did y'all expect after the circumstances surrounding Tre coming in super-cold to a position a mere month before free agency?

I'll concede the Reaves & Kampf contracts could be labelled a misstep



GMs get far too much credit for drafting on these boards. Organizations draft players by committee. Calgary vs. Toronto --- which organization would you say has a better reputation for drafting and developing players?

Not a single player he brought in is anywhere near NHL quality, they are all hot junks at best. What makes you think next year he will sign great players if he hasn't done it this year? This guy is just a poop thrown at the Leafs fanbase, accept it and move on. Brad Poop Throwing.

 

[thusk]

Not a single player he brought in is anywhere near NHL quality, they are all hot junks at best. What makes you think next year he will sign great players if he hasn't done it this year? This guy is just a poop thrown at the Leafs fanbase, accept it and move on. Brad Poop Throwing.

The market was pretty trash past summer...

Outside of Orlov they didn't any d who really deserve it... most of those D available was bottom pair dman with long term contract 3M+

In the offensive side

Oreilly didn't want to play a secondary role
Maybe tarasenko would be good but probably the $$$ he signed was not what he was asking for at the start. Killorn, compher was probably the best foward available...

So treveling took guest but only gave up 1 year deal, so next season when player like hanifin zadorov, tanev, pesce, montour, forsling could be available... we will not be in the same category of quality

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

The market was pretty trash past summer...

Outside of Orlov they didn't any d who really deserve it... most of those D available was bottom pair dman with long term contract 3M+

In the offensive side

Oreilly didn't want to play a secondary role
Maybe tarasenko would be good but probably the $$$ he signed was not what he was asking for at the start. Killorn, compher was probably the best foward available...

So treveling took guest but only gave up 1 year deal, so next season when player like hanifin zadorov, tanev, pesce, montour, forsling could be available... we will not be in the same category of quality

And how do you see the Reaves deal as? The only long term deal he gave out is worse than dogshit. There are no excuses he is just that pathetic.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'd say the guy with 4.11 GAA and the 855 save% is the problem

A problem, but not the only problem. Tre's signings have been trash so far, no question about it. To start a thread, about what a great job Tre had done, before a puck had been dropped was incredibly premature... said it at the time... "reactionary". It's still early, but it doesn't look good, and certainly not "great".

edit... Samsonov was also signed by Tre... I'm not saying it's his fault he's on the squad, and I think Samsonov is far better than he's shown this year... but that's a Tre contract too.

 

[Stephen]

The market was pretty trash past summer...

Outside of Orlov they didn't any d who really deserve it... most of those D available was bottom pair dman with long term contract 3M+

In the offensive side

Oreilly didn't want to play a secondary role
Maybe tarasenko would be good but probably the $$$ he signed was not what he was asking for at the start. Killorn, compher was probably the best foward available...

So treveling took guest but only gave up 1 year deal, so next season when player like hanifin zadorov, tanev, pesce, montour, forsling could be available... we will not be in the same category of quality

I was perfectly fine with the Treliving additions and think the problem is more the fact that Reaves, Bertuzzi have completely failed to do their jobs while Domi and Klingberg have been sluggish adjusting to the Leafs.

I guess an alternative approach is if they had spent the money on cheaper things and spread it around a little more evenly to address positions and player types of need like Geekie, Soucy as a start, etc.

But the fundamental problem remains the new guys have just been way worse than their track records over their careers.

 

[notbias]

But the market was trash

Wich d was that good to really deserve leafs to be high on him? Orlov at 7M? Graves ?Holl, Schenn, Soucy, Dumba? Klinberg was 1 of best D available...

Amount foward we can do the same thing... the good thing is hes only giving one 1 year deal..

so next off season we will maybe see leafs able to sign an Hanifin? Who knows because he dont made a stupid move by giving up a bad long term deal to a 5-6th d

I think every D you named minus maybe Dumba is better than Klingberg...

Forwards I am more okay with it, I just don't think their low IQ meshes as well with our forwards as we hoped, but hoping I am wrong. At least Domi looked great last game. If Bertuzzi can find his role, the others are less important.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Someone tell me what Tre should’ve done this offseason besides trade Marner in the first three weeks he had the job.

Who should he have signed please tell me. Personally I’m very glad we aren’t strapped to over 30 players for multiple year deals. And we were never going to play below the cap. If that’s your preference though which assets would you have liked gone to trade for players to fill out our roster? Cowan? More draft capital?

Or are we still crying about a player taking 300k on our cap? (Who we can more than likely fully bury next season) Or are we sad Lafferty is gone? If these are your gripes go touch some grass.

 

[ACC1224]

Someone tell me what Tre should’ve done this offseason besides trade Marner in the first three weeks he had the job.

Who should he have signed please tell me. Personally I’m very glad we aren’t strapped to over 30 players for multiple year deals. And we were never going to play below the cap. If that’s your preference though which assets would you have liked gone to trade for players to fill out our roster? Cowan? More draft capital?

Or are we still crying about a player taking 300k on our cap? Or are we sad Lafferty is gone? If these are your gripes go touch some grass.

Thank God he wasn't that shortsighted.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Thank God he wasn't that shortsighted.

I’m fairly confident he was signed under the notion that he had to win with this core so that was probably never an option for him anyways.