DarkKnight
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Man, so not only has a fourth line winger cost us two games but one we haven’t even played yet. Is the F+ your math mark?
Brad Treliving is doing a great job.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
GoonieFace
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Well when you’re forced to trade Tkachuk to Florida and you get a piece like Huberdeau back, you pretty much have to sign him. And we all know for anyone to sign in Calgary it’s going to take a severe overpay. Not much he can do
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I’ll be honest. I was trying to make a joke with that post and it was so bad it couldn’t have fallen more flat.
I want Treliving to bring Senor Martinez back to
up the post quality for amusement around here.
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I don't see how the two are comparable situations. None of Toronto's stars are leaving (like in Calgary). I think the only contract in Toronto that will require some creativity is Tavares' next contract, and specifically whether Treliving can bring it in under $6 million.
We’ll he was forced to trade Tkachuk. Calgary’s team isn’t badly constructed. They have poor motivation. The players don’t give a shit but the actual team isn’t bad.
Everybody loves to blame the GM for **** ups but until you know what ownership wanted and the instructions he was given its hard to know how much blame he deserves for Calgary's current situation
Just like how much say does Shanahan have in our decision making? The board?
I seriously doubt the GM is getting a free hand when it comes to decision making
DarkKnight
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Tkachuck demanded a trade but Brad placed himself in a very percarious position on that one. If you recall, Tkachuck a few years earlier had asked for a long term deal - $8 million over 8 years neighbourhood. The Flames responded with a $7x3 bridge deal. Now maybe Tkachuk demands a trade either way but when his bridge deal expired in 21-22, he was able to cripple the Flames' trade leverage by saying he'd only sign long term extensions with a few teams. Had the Flames had him at $8x8, they have way more leverage in trade negotiations.
Brad also signed Kadri and Hubderdeau to their current extensions. Both have combined 7 points this year.
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Man if only there was a way to trade a player to another team for assets instead of signing them to a retirement contract.
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I don't believe Treliving had any option there. That club was coming off a 50 win season and no way that hands-on ownership group lets him take his foot off the pedal. Too bad for him those two came up after such a crazy outlier year for scorers.
It is kind of funny a lot of people are saying he is doing well and almost every player struggling is someone he signed.
Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Woll, Rielly, all guys who were here before him are carrying the team.
I still like most of his signings and want more time to judge them, but nothing he has done has helped us yet.
Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Woll, Rielly, all guys who were here before him are carrying the team.
I still like most of his signings and want more time to judge them, but nothing he has done has helped us yet.
thusk
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The only player whos struggling amount signing is Bertuzzi
For me domi, klinberg and reaves bring exactly what we could expect...
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Reaves should be sent to the minors, I can think of 5-8 players in our system I'd rather up over him.
Domi has been pretty bad, but he hasn't been given too much either, so we can wait this one out a little more, not great play driving though.
Bertuzzi has been generating some chances but has had trouble finishing, but at least play is usually in the other team's end.
Klingberg may be the worst defensive player in the league.
Samsanov was his re-signing and has been probably the worst out of anyone.
Kampf has been terrible too and is now forced onto line 3 because the 4th line was SO bad.
Gregor has been alright, but outside of his first shift nothing great, although not expecting much.
Holmberg ironically may be his best signing/re-signing, he has been good at stabilizing the 4th line and I think he can play up the lineup a little higher.
GoonieFace
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Good thing he only signed Samsonov for 1 year. Nothing spells disaster like giving goalies long term/high AAV contracts.
Still need to give the new guys time to acclimate to the team. After 20 games, we should have a better idea.
I agree.
I think Sammy will bounce back too... I think Reaves and Klingberg will end up being terrible signings, everyone else I am hoping will bounce back, I am somewhat concerned about Kampf too actually, nothing looks good right now with him.
I think this thread is premature and I am just pointing out that the people struggling are his signings, so currently, he is doing a terrible job, but let's judge in 10-15 more games, right now, they are struggling, but the track record of good play is bigger than bad play for guys like Bertuzzi, Domi, Kampf, and Samsanov.
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None of those guys have good track record in the positions they’re being asked to play. Kampf is an unknown as 3C and so far looks overwhelmed, Bertuzzi doesn’t have track record being a 3rd wheel to 2 superstars playing a possession game, Domi has a track record of teams being ready to move on from him quickly.
I take it the Dubas fan club now believes the GM makes the moves and not Shanny?
GoonieFace
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Klingberg/Domi/Bertuzzi are no harm, no foul contracts. If they don’t work out, they won’t be back.
Reaves is what it is, it doesn’t bother me, it’s such a small cap hit.
Kampf was a weird one, it was an overpay for sure.
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I can't imagine this coming to fruition all that easily considering he isn't signed to term and currently sits just behind the team's top players when it comes to points (the latter of which seems fair when factoring in his cap hit).
thusk
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Domi its exactly what hes done his entire carreer...
Klinberg leafs didn't sign him for his defensive but for offensive game becaise leafs was the worst team amount every playoff team for production coming from D... its exactly what he bringing. If he wouldn't had defensive issues, his cost would be around 8M or 9M, not 4M
Since Kampf was playing with Domi and knies on 3rd line, its maybe the more consistent leafs line shift by shift. Kampf is not a high offensive player so if you using him with player who didn't create a lot of thing, he will look bad... but if you use him with offensive player and put him in position to be great at what hes doing . His defensive play and go to the net. Come back vs tampa was all about kampf game, its the guy who made defensive play to get the puck back, gio goal last goal was also result of kampf game in front of the net. But he need player with him who can create offrnsive and thats why i think its a guy mix with domi
Samsonov he didn't gave a 5m/ 5 season to samsonov, in my mind its just great... leafs cannot start this season with only Woll, they had to sign Samsonov and the price is fine
Sorry i just thing your expectation was just unrealistic.
Domi is what was expected I guess, will get the odd point but gets caved in, definitely expected more than a 41 point pace though.
Klingberg is being outproduced by Rielly on the PP and ES... he is what I expected, yes, overhyped offensive defenseman who is living off his name.
Kampf has been terrible possession wise on every single line, I know he can play better, but right now he looks terrible. He works well with grinders like the lines of Kerfoot/Kampf/Engvall/Mikheyev... throwing him with two skill guys, he looks lost. Throwing him with Reaves/Gregor was worse though.
Starting with Woll/Jones would have been better so far, but I still think Sammy can turn it around.
Domi/Bert are producing under my expectations, same with Sammy and maybe Kampf, but everyone else is where I expect them.
He's being force fed offensive minutes and is supposed to be an offensive weapon and Rielly is outproducing him on PP2.
He has some of the worst xGF and GF on the team.
Gio needs to babysit him, and luckily Gio still looks good otherwise Klingberg may look a lot worse.
The only harm we have with the "no harm, no foul" contracts is that these players are on our team for the year, they are playing for the team, which some of them are negative players and regardless, for a forum that complains so much about caphits, there should be some uproar that we have 15 million tied up in ineffective players.
My biggest issue with Reaves is that he plays and he is a very negative player when he is on the ice. Kampf can't be 4th line now because that line was terrible, so now we have two lines that you just pray make it out of the game even instead of one. His cap is annoying because it is an overpay by a tiny amount, but the tiny amount does not allow him to be fully buried and we will have to either run 11-7 or lose Timmins to waivers even if Reaves is sent down unless we make a move. We also gave up a better, cheaper player because we signed Reaves.
Kampf I just hope figures it out, for sure an overpay, but he is a lot better than he is showing.
